If there is one man on this forum that i have seen joining as a decent learner,and then transforming into an arrogant boastful abuser ? it is Mazhar, and i really feel sad about it... what a waste,,,,,,,, yuck

siki

Quote from Mazhar on August 25, 2010, 052838 PM
Not wasting time, once at five six places he says about "" it is Qur'aan but here he takes as many many "Qauls" and with absolute stupid insistence even does not see the pronoun attached to the last word about this "", and then the following Ayat which says about having been guided, and guidance is given only through Qur'aan.

in some places it could be Quran depending on context is what he's saying. he is asking you to explain and all you do is wait till after iftar and call him, and everyone else, stupid.
No guidence is NOT given only through Quran, it is given from GOD, so according to your statement now all previous messengers and people had no guidence as they had no Quran!
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So you suggest that at some places referring to Al Qaul as Qur'aan is NOT "editing" but in one particular Ayat my mentioning of word Qur'aan as referral by word "Al Qaul" is "Editing of the Book of Allah".

Placing material in paretheses is for the purpose of bringing clarity in the translation and mentioning the person referred by a pronoun is for the convenience of reader where he may or may not be able to link it with the previous Ayat and it is never called and understood by any one as "editing". Editing is done by some people who substitute the Arabic words in translation, like transcribing an active participle in English translation as passive participle, or a perfect verb as present tense.

So as suspected you cannot bring a quote where I agreed with any editing and again you made a false claim

You mean YOUR version of clarity to lead the reader along YOUR way of thinking and when Allah says TRUTH no one needs you or anyone else to LEAD them along YOUR way of thinking that TRUTH is ONLY in Quran as Allah has been bringing the message of TRUTH since long before Muhammed was born and the Quran was revealed.

When Allah uses Quran He means Quran, that needs no clarifying
Whan Allah uses Truth He means truth, that needs no clarifying
Whan Allah uses Book He means book, that needs no clarifying

If your translation is for the very weak of mind that you would need to clarify the above words for, then they will have a hard time understanding any of it anyway and give up for a more CLEAR translation

Quran = Quran
Truth = Truth
Book = Book

simple

Placing material in paretheses is for the purpose of bringing clarity in the translation and mentioning the person referred by a pronoun is for the convenience of reader where he may or may not be able to link it with the previous Ayat and it is never called and understood by any one as "editing". Editing is done by some people who substitute the Arabic words in translation, like transcribing an active participle in English translation as passive participle, or a perfect verb as present tense.

Please quote my post if you can where you have taken the meaning that I 'agree' with any edit, I have not and never will agree with editing God's Book.

At one place you agree alongwith siki with the "edit" but same explanation about same words at another place it is "edit of God's book"? What a judgment!!

yes Mazhar I SAW IT and I still stand by what I said, do NOT EDIT GOD'S BOOK

"See", in the real sense of the word, his quote again, I had coloured it for convenience of your sight.

nudely?

I can see what he means Mazhar, it's you that can't. I have great issues with you or anyone editing what God said to give it your own personal meaning and to guide the reader your way. God said HE has explained, so I disagree with anyone putting personal explanations IN it, brackets or not. M. Muhsin Khan puts brackets in the (non existant) hijab verse to mean cover entirely but one eye to see with, which is not what the verse says, but a reader will read it as part of it.

Please stop speaking in the English of the Middle Ages peace

And Ayisha do you not see from his "argument" therein to reveal to you how nudely an idiot is he?

salam brother

Are you really that dumb not to understand the difference between 47-2 and 10-108 that i am trying to make you understand?

Apparently so -\

salam brother

Are you really that dumb not to understand the difference between 47-2 and 10-108 that i am trying to make you understand? OK, let me make one last attempt.

47-2 precisely talks about the Truth, which was sent to Mankind via Mohammad and the ayah says so , read below.

47-2

The only truth which was sent down to Mankind Via Muhammad is Quran. Hence we can put Quran as referral in this ayah.

Now let us see 10-108.

10-108 Say "O ye men! Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs

It does not talk of Mohammad or the truth which is sent via Mohammad. Even if we assume that this Messenger in 10-108 is Mohammad, This messenger (Mohammad) is not saying "that He is talking about The "truth" which Only he (Mohammad) brought.

He is passing the message of GOD by saying , "That the truth has come to you people", (truth already existed in shape of previous scriptures plus the truth which this messenger brought) , so here translating/referring ALhaque as "Grand Quran only" would be wrong.

siki

Mazhar

salam brother

Are you really that dumb not to understand the difference between 47-2 and 10-108 that i am trying to make you understand? OK, let me make one last attempt.

47-2 precisely talks about the Truth, which was sent to Mankind via Mohammad and the ayah says so , read below.

47-2

The only truth which was sent down to Mankind Via Muhammad is Quran. Hence we can put Quran as referral in this ayah.

Now let us see 10-108.

10-108 Say "O ye men! Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs

It does not talk of Mohammad or the truth which is sent via Mohammad. Even if we assume that this Messenger in 10-108 is Mohammad, This messenger (Mohammad) is not saying "that He is talking about The "truth" which Only he (Mohammad) brought.

He is passing the message of GOD by saying , "That the truth has come to you people", (truth already existed in shape of previous scriptures plus the truth which this messenger brought) , so here translating/referring ALhaque as "Grand Quran only" would be wrong.

siki

siki

He says yes this is Qur'aan. This is the one in which people believed.

What was sent to Muhammad the same has reached/come to people.

Oh my God brickwall you still think they are the same ?

siki

He says yes this is Qur'aan. This is the one in which people believed.

What was sent to Muhammad the same has reached/come to people.

Mazhar

salam brother

I with my retarded brain, have failed to make out what you are trying to convey in above post, kindly clarify if you want an answer.

Thanks

siki

yes He will expose and He has exposed you to be unable to answer questions raised to you and verbally attack anyone who makes you, and everyone else, aware of your inability to answer them, in every thread. you carry on calling people names and quoting verses from Quran while being totally oblivious that they could very well be about you too, your arrogance blinds you completely to anything of the like of that or that you could be wrong on anything. I could quote a high number of verses which would apply to you and your manner, but I wont as they wont make a dent in your arrogance and maybe it's better you continue to live with it.

InshaAllah I will try hard not to reply to any more of your posts lest I become like you, and I will let others continue to deal with you until they eventually tire of banging thier heads against a wall of arrogant boastful pride you display. peace

They support each other and deliberately overlook the dirty language of their partners whom they keep encouraging with claps even in patently stupid assertions.

yes you're right, that's both you and Raj in the same category.

I pray Allah guide me to the straight path and protect me from falling into idolatry.

Raj, even for once, did not come and say anything on this thread. Now it makes further evident who the male and female are in the quote. It is Allah's verdict He will expose the Munifiqeen, both men and women. Allaho Akbar.

They support each other and deliberately overlook the dirty language of their partners whom they keep encouraging with claps even in patently stupid assertions.

yes you're right, that's both you and Raj in the same category

peace I pray Allah guide me to the straight path and protect me from falling into idolatry

They support each other and deliberately overlook the dirty language of their partners whom they keep encouraging with claps even in patently stupid assertions.

He says yes this is Qur'aan. This is the one in which people believed.

What was sent to Muhammad the same has reached/come to people.

Such a delightful teaching method. you should apply to somewhere like Al azhar, or even the prophets mosque in Saudi, you will go far peace

peace I pray Allah guide me to the straight path and protect me from falling into idolatry

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You, the Messenger pronounce, "Indeed the Statement of Established Fact/Grand Qur'aan has since come to you people from your Sustainer Lord.

Here is the subject/doer of the verb before it. Who has come to people? the Grand Qur'aan.

And it is the solitary source of guidance to success in hereafter

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Therefore/in response whoever is guided then undoubtedly he guides/leads on the way only for his own self.

Yunis 10108

Your insistence on a mistake by giving misleading examples is indeed alarming. You think you can wrap it up in fancy grammar, or sophisticated words and hence deceive readers to digest it innocently?

Flagrant use of such tactics by you, made me say in the past that " you are intellectually dishonest" .

And if you are not doing this by design, then chances are "you are intellectually bankrupt" and hence are incapable of comprehending these finer issues. And with this honesty or wisdom, you have taken upon yourself to translate God's words and/or to correct previous translators mistakes?
GOD help us please! Siki

I keep trying to give explanaton from various angles to make one understand the point. Nowhere ever one will find that I was the first to use any offensive term. Once a moderator softly warned through PM, about this idiot or stupid word; and I told to go back to the thread and see what has been responded, and compare which of two is more serious. The point was well taken and was agreed.

The purpose is to share knowledge. It is stated that I do not put in parentheses anything except either it is written in Qur'aan at another placed or to indicate the connotations attached to Arabic word which cannot be indicated in word by word translation or with one single word.

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and they acknowledged/accepted which has gradually been sent/communicated to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam,

and how that Grand Qur'aan is described by Allah?

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and that-Grand Qur'aan which was sent to him is "Alhaqqu"-"The statement of proven fact" from their Sustainer Lord;

"Huwa" is a detached PERSONAL PRONOUN for third person; masculine; singular referring to , and we know it is Grand Qur'aan as told at many places in Qur'aan. And this "Huwa" is Subject of the nominal sentence and "" in nominative case is the predicate of Huwa.

Mazhar

Was above reference quoted by you earlier , or not? you did not. Is alhaque quoted above, similar in context to your previously quoted example ? which is,

10-108 Say "O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs

You are proving apple , by giving me example of an orange, let me show you how,

In 47-02, Al Hague is referenced as sent down to Messenger which is by name being mentioned as Mohammad, clearly and unambiguously locking the meanings as ALquran.

Whereas in 10-118 it does not. And that is my objection, not for Alhaque in 47-2 .SIKI

Now Mr Wayfinder what stops you to call and declare him an idiot of the year in view of exposition of his retarded brain by above remarks and finding them as an apple and orange.

He says yes this is Qur'aan. This is the one in which people believed.

What was sent to Muhammad the same has reached/come to people.