The word "circling", on the contrary, denotes moving following a curving route which is not inherent in the said Root.

yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)

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So, what I said in reply#44 is true, by Allah's grace. !

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

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5224
5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

5617
5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

7619
7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

Children will be CIRCLING around them???

5543
5544
5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

yatuf ala circle around

yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)

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Really? How about this?

5223
5224
5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

5617
5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

7619
7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

Children will be CIRCLING around them???

5543
5544
5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

Please first determine why his word means a "servant that serves with gentleness and carefullness". The word is an active participle which is derived from the verb. Because of the act signified by the verb, this derived and relational meanings are assigned to the active participle.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

You should.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

"Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

"there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

"purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

What I mean is already given in Reply # 44

May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Mohammed M. Khan

I was never quick enough for that '(

Ok, so we are saying it can mean going round something, just going 'round', a thought going round the head, a visitor coming 'round', what about making making someone 'all round' happy or satisfied?

If you want. or the musical chairs.

Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.

Thanks again,
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

You mean

"Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

"there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

"purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?

Thank you for this Aayat.

Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.

Thanks again,
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

ta'if visitor in both cases, in 6819 a visitor that circles around them. in 7201 touched by a visitor from the devil.

Got it ?

EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling

so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.

Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.

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The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.

You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"

It never said it did.

In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.

Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".

I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.

Got it ?

EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling

Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.

Example

I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,"

The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.

You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"

It never said it did.

In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.

Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".

As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.

And no wonder if we make mistakes

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482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"

Got it? Happy now? Good.

May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

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Good and thanks.

As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.

And no wonder if we make mistakes

482
482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"

Got it? Happy now? Good.

May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.

From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

Very very relevant.

1-You take all your arguments from Study Quran and corpus quran wich are two biased sites because made by people like you who wants to prove the same points as you. Look outside them and you'll be surprised.

I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," it is there just to close the mouth of those who argument about the servants in Janna who yatufun/circle around the people to serve them. It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf let alone the origin ta-wa-fa.

2-the source of the word can lead to two words totally differents. And it never can be a valuable method to explain arabic words, you/it wont make the weight against any arabic scholar (whether muslim or not).

= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.

From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

Very very relevant.

Salaaman Wakas,
OK, that means 'To move' or 'Proceed'? I think there is a separate word for this

Anyways, thanks for your reply.

Salaaman Wakas,
Oh, its ok...

Hmmm... As per my understanding, tawaaf means, going from a point and coming back to it, like going to job every day, etc. What do you say?

Very very relevant.