Peace be upon you Marie,

idolfree1 wrote
Peace be upon you,

The so called "challenge" is terribly misunderstood, that is why people like dr no can ridicule as he does.

This book that people have called the "quran" is a TOOL for guidance.

Marie
This is Allah who calls His last scripture as "the quran" not people.

2185. A month of ramadan, in which the quran (reading) was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

The God describes it as the reading, just as He described it as the criterion, and the guidance, he has not TITLED it anything. D

When we read the verse 2185, this is the quran, if you prefer the reading, which is sent in the month of ramadan. In other word; the quran, the scripture, 114 chapters, it is a physical thing which is called "alquran".
I thing "the reading" as a translation for the word"alquran' is one of the aspects of "alquran". The following verse illustrates another aspects of "alquran"

FM
7516. Do not move your tongue with it to make haste.
La tuharrik bihi lisanakalitaAAjala bihi

7517. It is for Us to gather it and relate it.
      Inna AAalayna jamAAahu waqur-anahu

7518. So when We relate it, you shall follow its revelation.
      Fa-itha qara/nahu faittabiAA qur-anahu

7519. Then it is for Us to clarify it.
      Thumma inna AAalayna bayanahu

Ahmad Shabir
7516 (Now whenever you read the verses of the Qur?an) read not in haste stirring your tongue. (20114).

7517 Behold, it is up to Us to gather it (in your heart) and the reading of it. (He will bless whatever effort we put into learning it).

7518 Thus, when We read it, follow you the reading. (Allah has revealed the Qur?an, and bestowed upon us the faculty of understanding, hence, ?When We read it.?)

7519 Then, behold! It is for Us to explain it. (The Qur?an is its own best commentary. It explains itself).

From these verses I understand others meaning of the word "alquran" compilation, explication.

It speaks the truth and contains no contradictions. ANY message that does the same is also described as "quran".

Do you have quranic arguments to support your assertion or this is just your interpretation?

Yes.

(482) So do they not consider the reading, and if (it) were from at other than the God, they would have found in it many contradictions.

482 speaks about "alquran" which is sent in the month of ramadan.

So the "challenge" is to provide a chapter, or verse, that is NOT truthful, but can guide the same way the TRUTH guides. Surely NO ONE can do that

1038. Or do they say he invented it? Say ?Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!?

To bring a chapter like it in the content (Truth, signs, the news of unknown...) and the form.

I must then ask you the question you asked me above, Do you have "quranic" arguments to support your assertion or this is just your interpretation?

Allah does not specify like it in which aspect? I understand like it for every aspect of "alquran", in other word in the content and the form.

Marie

idolfree1 wrote
Peace be upon you,

The so called "challenge" is terribly misunderstood, that is why people like dr no can ridicule as he does.

This book that people have called the "quran" is a TOOL for guidance.

Marie
This is Allah who calls His last scripture as "the quran" not people.

2185. A month of ramadan, in which the quran (reading) was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

The God describes it as the reading, just as He described it as the criterion, and the guidance, he has not TITLED it anything.

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It speaks the truth and contains no contradictions. ANY message that does the same is also described as "quran".

Marie
Do you have quranic arguments to support your assertion or this is just your interpretation?

Yes.

(482) So do they not consider the reading, and if (it) were from at other than the God, they would have found in it many contradictions.

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So the "challenge" is to provide a chapter, or verse, that is NOT truthful, but can guide the same way the TRUTH guides. Surely NO ONE can do that

1038. Or do they say he invented it? Say ?Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!?

To bring a chapter like it in the content (Truth, signs, the news of unknown...) and the form.

I must then ask you the question you asked me above, Do you have "quranic" arguments to support your assertion or this is just your interpretation?

Peace be upon you,

The so called "challenge" is terribly misunderstood, that is why people like dr no can ridicule as he does.

This book that people have called the "quran" is a TOOL for guidance.

This is Allah who calls His last scripture as "the quran" not people.

2185. A month of ramadan, in which the quran (reading) was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

It speaks the truth and contains no contradictions. ANY message that does the same is also described as "quran".

Do you have quranic arguments to support your assertion or this is just your interpretation?

So the "challenge" is to provide a chapter, or verse, that is NOT truthful, but can guide the same way the TRUTH guides. Surely NO ONE can do that D

1038. Or do they say he invented it? Say ?Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!?

To bring a chapter like it in the content (Truth, signs, the news of unknown...) and the form.

Allah knows best

Marie

The so called "challenge" is terribly misunderstood, that is why people like dr no can ridicule as he does.

This book that people have called the "quran" is a TOOL for guidance. It speaks the truth and contains no contradictions. ANY message that does the same is also described as "quran". This word "quran" is not a title, it is a description. All a writing does is point us to the Laws of the God in the universe (including the mental laws).

So the "challenge" is to provide a chapter, or verse, that is NOT truthful, but can guide the same way the TRUTH guides. Surely NO ONE can do that

For example, all I have to do is change one word in the book to try to take the "challenge", but depending on which word I change, the message won't necissarily change.

We must stop worshipping a book, and start using it as a tool for guidance so we can SERVE the Most High.

the funny thing is that they use the expressions of the Qur'aan exactly as they are in the Qur'aan in many many places, seems the writer of this book has no own style D

Yeah, can you say Plagiarism?? D

Peace,
Damon.

the funny thing is that they use the expressions of the Qur'aan exactly as they are in the Qur'aan in many many places, seems the writer of this book has no own style D

sabo

932. They want to extinguish God?s light with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His light continue, even if the rejecters hate it.

Salam
Marie

I realized that DoctorNo was a Fool when he used to post here. I would not waste any of my valuable time on such a person.

Salaam,
Damon.