What is even more fascinating is that people actually fall for the bizarre nature of their faith.

God is nnot the servant of the shitty squater state of the godless zionnists.

ISIS,ISIS, the squatger state is themother of all ISIS.

Salaam to allthose who believe in God, to hoe whobelieve in justice nd not to those who believe in the shitty sqwatter states.

Where is the Messiah ? How do you become one with Christ ?

Very true MOF, however the evidence should suffice any inquisitive investigator

Anyways, your accusation about me is wrong. I am not "undercover", and i try to be 1 in Christ and i advice you to read the Gospel to understand the meaning of this statement "being 1 in Christ".

And, i grew up with the Quran, all praise due to God, Lord of the Worlds, the One who Guides the Human beings.

i advice you to stop listening to people and start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic and start reading the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran for yourself.

It's just that we have just 1 Messiah that we were granted from the Lord, so you should appreciate it. I advice others to love and be 1 with Christ. Because those who oppose this ideology are following the footsteps of the anti-christ!

Are you comparing ME to ISIS only because I cite to you verses pertaining to sabbath from your Lord?
What's the connection there? Or is it just an awful attempt at insulting me?

I started reading the Bible before you grew any facial hair, I am well acquainted with the Gospel and that is why I feel compelled to correct you.

Nothing I have conveyed to you is from hearsay, it is simply what is in the Old Testament and New Testament and I have personally read what I conveyed.

Pay attention to me or do not pay attention to me, only I invite you to reflect and follow God Alone

I am not going to pay any attention to you anymore

My personal investigation of you is then hereby completed, I have seen your true heart and you finally exposed yourself.

i try to be 1 in Christ

EXPOSED

we have just 1 Messiah that we were granted from the Lord, so you should appreciate it

Yeah and we also only had just one Nuh, Ibrahim one Lut, one Musa, and one Muhammad.
"We make no distinction between any of them" is that not what you cited earlier??
HYPOCRITE

I advice others to love and be 1 with Christ

Keep your baseless advice to yourself.
The goal is not be one with anyone, but to serve God Alone

Because those who oppose this ideology are following the footsteps of the anti-christ

Antichrist? Really?

USA politics are complicated. Who else are there, it's like only Trump and Clinton are getting attention.

But i think, at the moment Trump because he wants to make better ties with Israel, and the basis of the Holy Land is the Torah which is the oldest or one of the oldest Scriptures that we have which contains a Guidance and a Light. The Quran perfectly elaborates on it. So may the Lord guide the children of Ishmael and the children of Isaac group!

Then again, if i think twice, i do not know how Trump will be against sectarian "muslims". I think that Clinton will be more soft towards those people.

Anyways, may the Lord grant us peace. The main focus should be to stabilize the middle-east since it's probably the western coalitions who started, and look what happened, the domino effect.

YOU want to vote Trump on the sole basis of making stronger ties with Israel? Israel and its Western puppets(America and Western Eurpe) are the main cause of the disruption in the middle east! Israel is bombing Gaza like there is no tomorrow! Where do you think they get their weapons from? The United States! You want Israel to continuing oppressing people of the region and inciting the destabilization of muslim regimes surrounding it?
ZIONIST EXPOSED!

Allah brought the content of your heart right out! For all to see clearly
I won't take serious any of your posts as you are not rightly guided

Idolatry at its best and here at freeminds we come against any form of sectarian idolatry whether it is from sectarians idolizing Muhammad, or Christian sectarians idolizing Isa or Jews sectarians idolizing Musa, Dawood or themselves

As of today I do not see you as a believer, perhaps if you reject association and turn sincerely in repentance to Him, indeed Allah is All-Merciful, All-Forgiving!

You are done jedi

The Quran well explains that the sabbath was prescribed for a certain group of israelites living on a coastal region and it was pertaining their fishing on the sabbath.

(2657) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
(44724) l-sabti (of) the Sabbath
(415415) l-sabti the Sabbath
(716311) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
(716316) sabtihim (of) their Sabbath
(716320) yasbitna they had Sabbath
(161243) l-sabtu the Sabbath

No rather I advise you to read the Quran (specifically the above shown Surahs for clarification on the matter) to grasp the context of this topic, it's a Guidance and a Light, sent by God!

This is not off-topic because those who edited the bible have fabricated sabbath as a law imposed on all believers, hence they well fit your list of authentic writers that teach false narrations and add to it all the other fabrications made against the prophets

1)Ibrahim the forbearing righteous man supposedly letting Sarah kick his son and the mother of his child out into the wilderness because of simple jealousy
2)Lut supposedly getting drunk and sleeping with his daughters
3)Yaqub supposedly "stealing" the "blessing" of his brother
4)Aaron/Harun supposedly being responsible for building the golden calf for the israelites and allowing them to transgress
5)Moses/Musa supposedly claiming he was the one who provided them with water from the splitting rock
6)Mary/Maryam supposedly having a husband Joseph
7)Jesus/Isa supposedly having a close relationship with a prostitute (God says every prophet had wife and children read Quran friends, meaning this is a defamation of Isa's wife and family)
Isa being killed and crucified by his enemies( Quran is clear that this is not so, yet some people sport the cross even in their profile icons smh)
9)Isa dying for humanity's sin (Quran no bearer of burdens can carry the burden of another! Are you deaf?? blind? dumb?)
10)Isa being the son of God (he never claimed so himself)
11) Isa being God (he was asked several times and always denied such accusations)
12)Hadith saying Muhammad married Aisha when she was very young
13) Muhammad split the moon with his index finger
14)Muhammad telling people to drink camel urine

What is the difference between these false narrations O Adam?

There is no difference! It is that you are merely an undercover "Christian" and hate to have to accept these fabrications and false narrations because it would cause the crumbling of the corruption in the books you think you are guided from, when instead you have Al-Quran which is full detailed.

I appreciate your sharing of the Quranic verses. People like "ISIS" also use Quranic verses.

Anyways, your accusation about me is wrong. I am not "undercover", and i try to be 1 in Christ and i advice you to read the Gospel to understand the meaning of this statement "being 1 in Christ".

And, i grew up with the Quran, all praise due to God, Lord of the Worlds, the One who Guides the Human beings.

I am not going to pay any attention to you anymore, i advice you to stop listening to people and start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic and start reading the Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran for yourself.

It's just that we have just 1 Messiah that we were granted from the Lord, so you should appreciate it. I advice others to love and be 1 with Christ. Because those who oppose this ideology are following the footsteps of the anti-christ!

Are you saying Torah and Gospel are all the books in today s bible?

I am not disputing that there are GOD s words and men s words in the bible and only GOD s words are to be followed.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Sorry, but i was reading it in a hurry. It's late here.

I never said such a thing, lets be clear about that. What about the Psalms, the inspiration to Solomon, Jona, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joshua, Job etc.?

An English translation of the Quran - 4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

So yeah i try to believe in all Scriptures which are with us today, all are from God, and our Lord is One God, and to Him belong all beautiful names, Books, prophets etc.

An English translation of the Quran - 159 Indeed it is We who have sent down the Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.

An English translation of the Quran - 458 He hears the revelations of God being recited to him, then he persists arrogantly, as if he never heard them. Give him news of a painful retribution.

An English translation of the Quran - 239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.

I really have no interest in Hell.

Are you saying Torah and Gospel are all the books in today s bible?

I am not disputing that there are GOD s words and men s words in the bible and only GOD s words are to be followed.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

I do not know if those 600.000 are all unique, or how much have repetitions. I do not accept those books anyways, since they are not inspired and contain contradictions, falsehood, propaganda and false doctrines. So it doesn't matter how much are unique or with repetition. The word of God is perfect in detail and complete in justice.

Some brothers and sisters have been telling you this exact statement about some books of the bible,yet you seem to ignore their point.
Do you think all of the bible is the word of GOD?
Keep studying it and be honest with yourself brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace

This exact statement? The statement about the narrations that are being attributed to Mohammed can not be compared with the Scriptures of old. So can not the statements of the Vatican and the people of the Talmud be compared with the Quran. Because, the word of God is not equal to the word of the human being. The word of the Lord can not be compared with that of men. That's idolatry.

An English translation of the Quran - 543 Why do they ask you to judge among them, when they have the Torah, containing GOD's law, and they chose to disregard it? They are not believers.,

An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.

How can you let the people judge with the Gospel which was sent down by God? How can people judge with the Torah, which contains God's law?

Aren't those who disregard the Gospel disbelievers? Aren't those who do not judge with the Torah the wicked?

May the Lord purify you, guide you, teach you, holy you and make you a guidance and a light to others so that you may preach the Torah and the Gospel!

I do not know if those 600.000 are all unique, or how much have repetitions. I do not accept those books anyways, since they are not inspired and contain contradictions, falsehood, propaganda and false doctrines. So it doesn't matter how much are unique or with repetition. The word of God is perfect in detail and complete in justice.

Some brothers and sisters have been telling you this exact statement about some books of the bible,yet you seem to ignore their point.
Do you think all of the bible is the word of GOD?
Keep studying it and be honest with yourself brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace

Anyways, An English translation of the Quran - 16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.

The point is that you are disputing it, so that's why it's decreed for you? I advice you to read the Torah to grasp the context of this verse, it's a Guidance and a Light, send by God!

An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 65 Then Jesus said to them, The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

An English translation of the Torah - Exodus 208 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

The many reasons given in the Bible for Sabbath have nothing to do with the Truth
http//biblehub.com/topical/s/sabbath.htm#cnc

The Quran well explains that the sabbath was prescribed for a certain group of israelites living on a coastal region and it was pertaining their fishing on the sabbath.

(2657) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
(44724) l-sabti (of) the Sabbath
(415415) l-sabti the Sabbath
(716311) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
(716316) sabtihim (of) their Sabbath
(716320) yasbitna they had Sabbath
(161243) l-sabtu the Sabbath

No rather I advise you to read the Quran (specifically the above shown Surahs for clarification on the matter) to grasp the context of this topic, it's a Guidance and a Light, sent by God!

This is not off-topic because those who edited the bible have fabricated sabbath as a law imposed on all believers, hence they well fit your list of authentic writers that teach false narrations and add to it all the other fabrications made against the prophets

1)Ibrahim the forbearing righteous man supposedly letting Sarah kick his son and the mother of his child out into the wilderness because of simple jealousy
2)Lut supposedly getting drunk and sleeping with his daughters
3)Yaqub supposedly "stealing" the "blessing" of his brother
4)Aaron/Harun supposedly being responsible for building the golden calf for the israelites and allowing them to transgress
5)Moses/Musa supposedly claiming he was the one who provided them with water from the splitting rock
6)Mary/Maryam supposedly having a husband Joseph
7)Jesus/Isa supposedly having a close relationship with a prostitute (God says every prophet had wife and children read Quran friends, meaning this is a defamation of Isa's wife and family)
Isa being killed and crucified by his enemies( Quran is clear that this is not so, yet some people sport the cross even in their profile icons smh)
9)Isa dying for humanity's sin (Quran no bearer of burdens can carry the burden of another! Are you deaf?? blind? dumb?)
10)Isa being the son of God (he never claimed so himself)
11) Isa being God (he was asked several times and always denied such accusations)
12)Hadith saying Muhammad married Aisha when she was very young
13) Muhammad split the moon with his index finger
14)Muhammad telling people to drink camel urine

What is the difference between these false narrations O Adam?

There is no difference! It is that you are merely an undercover "Christian" and hate to have to accept these fabrications and false narrations because it would cause the crumbling of the corruption in the books you think you are guided from, when instead you have Al-Quran which is full detailed.

Salaam

The calculation is an estimate. It's simply another tool to use against the pro-hadith argument.

Yeah, i didn't calculate sleep,eating etc. also. But a big argument that they can shoot back is "Not all narrations were unique, there were a lot the same".

So this does make the 600.000+/- narrations not the same as 600.000 unique narrations. I hope you understand what i mean. Because it doesn't take the same time to compile 600.000 with repetition as 600.000 unique ones.

600.000 narrations with half of them that are repetitions of others is not the same as 600.000 unique ones. Anyways, may the Lord protect us from the accursed devil, the whisperers of the devils and from them coming closer to us and may He protect us from committing idolatry.

I do not know if those 600.000 are all unique, or how much have repetitions. I do not accept those books anyways, since they are not inspired and contain contradictions, falsehood, propaganda and false doctrines. So it doesn't matter how much are unique or with repetition. The word of God is perfect in detail and complete in justice.

Yeah, so i hope i made my point. I think i understand yours. But there is a catch in it, and they might use it against simple souls.

I am aware that Bukhari collected duplicates but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same content/matn AND transmission/isnad, e.g. some may have had similar/same content but different transmission. It doesn't really matter as he still spent time collecting/reading/reviewing them. Note in my calculation no time was taken out for any worldly affairs, e.g. sleep, eat etc.

The calculation is an estimate. It's simply another tool to use against the pro-hadith argument.

whatever

yeah

You like to cite the Quran only when it is convenient for you, besides citing the Quran to support what you think is the Torah and Injeel it does not seem you know much of what the Quran actually says.

You know not the Quran if you claim there is a sabbath.

16124

Innama juAAila alssabtu AAala allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi wa-inna rabbaka layahkumu baynahum yawma alqiyamati feema kanoo feehi yakhtalifoona

Only was appointed the Sabbath for those who differed in it. And indeed, your Lord will surely judge between them (on) the Day (of) the Resurrection in what they used (to) differ.

Intelligent rational reasoning functioning unsealed minded God-fearing individuals. That's who we are in this matter.
We actually ponder and do not follow our desires like you have demonstrated by your inability to raise sound argument or address the flaws in your reasoning and methodology.

You'd have to be unable to read or comprehend apparent language or speech to claim that the Bible as is today is not corrupt.
Do you then say the Bible is right in claiming Isa is the son of God?

You have also exposed your desires by your most recent icon-avatar profile pic (Isa was not crucified)

So much to address here....

1. First, please take several seats...we have not insinuated at all that the Word of God is empty and bearing such false misleading accusations upon believers will be accounted for on your record undoubtedly

2. The fact that you think that Christianity has anything to do with the deen shows your lack of knowledge in Classical Arabic and Quran. How are you going to give lessons in Arabic when you have misunderstood that Christianity is the made-up name of a sect that is completely unrelated to the Nasara in the Quran?? You should reconsider teaching until you have actually learned.
   The Nasara were nothing like what the Christians are today. Nasara does not even translate to Christian. Hint it is related to a response the disciples gave Isa. And the name Nasara is directly related to Allah not Jesus unlike the name Christian. Christ stems from greek and it is somewhat of a translation of the word Messiah. Complete idol worship even in the name of the denomination.

3. You think the Torah and Injeel are the complete Word of God, yet you are unable to explain how people are supposed to judge with a book that tells them that Jesus is God and that Jesus is God's only begotten son and that Mary had a husband and that Lut slept with his daughters and that Moses attributed a miracle to himself, a book that tells them they must mutilate their private parts a book that claims Allah rested on the seventh day after creation....etcc..
   You can't address these simple issues and all you do is cite the same verses over and over (which by the way is sort of spam)

We believe in God's verses and we know that what we have today is either heavily corrupt or not at all the original.

The Quran and Torah are supposed to share similarity but the structure, form and writing prose is considerably different.
In Quran Allah often addresses the Messenger in singular form (you), Allah authorizes many verses as "These are the Verses of your Lord" and so many more, Allah is The indisputable Narrator, while that is not the case at all for the Old Testament.

The Injeel is an other story, although it was supposed to a book sent down to Isa we see not this as the case. We see biographies written about Isa and the narrators are clearly the authors (whoever they may be) not Allah.

We are not saying that we disbelieve in what the Quran refers to as Torah and Injeel we are saying that you have misidentified those books as Old Testament and New Testament

My reason, experience and understanding leads me to perceive that the Previous Scripture mentioned in the Quran was nothing like what we have today.
The bible is highly blasphemous (claiming God had a son and that a prophet is God) and that alone indicates that it is at the least corrupt.

Please for YOUR own benefit reconsider your unevidenced erroneous position and ponder carefully over what I presented to you.
Perhaps our Lord may guide you to the sound way.

Your "list" of statements already is wrong at point 1, go reread the thread. Really, i do not care about what you say except you sharing the Quranic verses.

Anyways, An English translation of the Quran - 16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.

The point is that you are disputing it, so that's why it's decreed for you? I advice you to read the Torah to grasp the context of this verse, it's a Guidance and a Light, send by God!

An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 65 Then Jesus said to them, ?The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.?

An English translation of the Torah - Exodus 208 ?Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

And lets not forget the Sabbath.

You like to cite the Quran only when it is convenient for you, besides citing the Quran to support what you think is the Torah and Injeel it does not seem you know much of what the Quran actually says.

You know not the Quran if you claim there is a sabbath.

16124

Innama juAAila alssabtu AAala allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi wa-inna rabbaka layahkumu baynahum yawma alqiyamati feema kanoo feehi yakhtalifoona

Only was appointed the Sabbath for those who differed in it. And indeed, your Lord will surely judge between them (on) the Day (of) the Resurrection in what they used (to) differ.

So..., who are you to tell others that the Torah and the Gospel are corrupt and not the word of God?

Intelligent rational reasoning functioning unsealed minded God-fearing individuals. That's who we are in this matter.
We actually ponder and do not follow our desires like you have demonstrated by your inability to raise sound argument or address the flaws in your reasoning and methodology.

You'd have to be unable to read or comprehend apparent language or speech to claim that the Bible as is today is not corrupt.
Do you then say the Bible is right in claiming Isa is the son of God?

You have also exposed your desires by your most recent icon-avatar profile pic (Isa was not crucified)

Turn back o people! Fear God. Stop following these people who try to tell you they left Christianity and that the Word of God is empty.

So much to address here....

1. First, please take several seats...we have not insinuated at all that the Word of God is empty and bearing such false misleading accusations upon believers will be accounted for on your record undoubtedly

2. The fact that you think that Christianity has anything to do with the deen shows your lack of knowledge in Classical Arabic and Quran. How are you going to give lessons in Arabic when you have misunderstood that Christianity is the made-up name of a sect that is completely unrelated to the Nasara in the Quran?? You should reconsider teaching until you have actually learned.
   The Nasara were nothing like what the Christians are today. Nasara does not even translate to Christian. Hint it is related to a response the disciples gave Isa. And the name Nasara is directly related to Allah not Jesus unlike the name Christian. Christ stems from greek and it is somewhat of a translation of the word Messiah. Complete idol worship even in the name of the denomination.

3. You think the Torah and Injeel are the complete Word of God, yet you are unable to explain how people are supposed to judge with a book that tells them that Jesus is God and that Jesus is God's only begotten son and that Mary had a husband and that Lut slept with his daughters and that Moses attributed a miracle to himself, a book that tells them they must mutilate their private parts a book that claims Allah rested on the seventh day after creation....etcc..
   You can't address these simple issues and all you do is cite the same verses over and over (which by the way is sort of spam)

We believe in God's verses and we know that what we have today is either heavily corrupt or not at all the original.

The Quran and Torah are supposed to share similarity but the structure, form and writing prose is considerably different.
In Quran Allah often addresses the Messenger in singular form (you), Allah authorizes many verses as "These are the Verses of your Lord" and so many more, Allah is The indisputable Narrator, while that is not the case at all for the Old Testament.

The Injeel is an other story, although it was supposed to a book sent down to Isa we see not this as the case. We see biographies written about Isa and the narrators are clearly the authors (whoever they may be) not Allah.

We are not saying that we disbelieve in what the Quran refers to as Torah and Injeel we are saying that you have misidentified those books as Old Testament and New Testament

My reason, experience and understanding leads me to perceive that the Previous Scripture mentioned in the Quran was nothing like what we have today.
The bible is highly blasphemous (claiming God had a son and that a prophet is God) and that alone indicates that it is at the least corrupt.

Please for YOUR own benefit reconsider your unevidenced erroneous position and ponder carefully over what I presented to you.
Perhaps our Lord may guide you to the sound way.

"we believe.."

"in what was revealed to us" ..

"and" ..

"in what was revealed to you" ..

An English translation of the Quran - 566 And if they had upheld the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.

"and"..

An English translation of the Quran - 568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.

"you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel", of course if you reject the Law that was send by God to Moses, of course if you reject the Gospel which was preached with an abundance of Love by the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary.

And lets not forget the Sabbath.

An English translation of the Quran - 447 O you who have received the Book, believe in what We have sent down authenticating what is with you, before We cast down faces and turn them on their backs or curse them as the people of the Sabbath were cursed. And the will of God is always done.

"authenticating what is with you", don't act like you know what Christianity is.

An English translation of the Quran - 33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.

So..., who are you to tell others that the Torah and the Gospel are corrupt and not the word of God?

An English translation of the Quran - 239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.

Turn back o people! Fear God. Stop following these people who try to tell you they left Christianity and that the Word of God is empty.

May the Lord guide humanity.

peace

An English translation of the Quran - 2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."

peace