Tolu-e-Islam's literature is essentially directed towards individuals who are in search of truth so that they can overcome the forces of secularism

Because I'm a proponent of "Secularism" (Read Anti-Sectarianism).
And everybody can quote from wherever they wish..

Salam

Would defeat the purpose of having sunni/shia/christian sections on the forum, don't ya think? brickwall

No one is asking you for your affilation here, he just asked a simple question, which seems to have irritated some, the reason he aksed it at this web site is because we all know that you share the same stance on Hadith. It could have been answered simply, but it has become hard for you. There are lots of issues from other websites which are being discussed here So what is the big DEAL??
All that explanation and you still don't get it. wow Who's "we" and who's "you"?

Regarding Ahmed Bhagat, banning him or any one from your site just because he doesnot agree with your idea of Islam is no where near to being a Freemind.

Ignorance is a sad thing really. If members were being banned for not agreeing with 'our idea of Islam' (whatever that means), you'd be long gone.

?And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.? (1736)

Quote from Raj-ah on September 04, 2007, 040712 AM
Zenje
Is this that hard?

He is asking a simple question? The site of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez who rejected Hadith, is why quoting Hadith?

The first thing that comes to mind is that may be they have realized the truth.

Zenje
I have no affiliation with Ghulam and neither do many of the members here. Does this make sense to you, that someone should come to www.free-minds.org and debate about http//www.toluislam.com/ like we had anything to do with it? And then on top of that, claiming "Quranists" have double standards? If you have a questions for "Ghulam Ahmed Pervez", shouldn't you be asking Ghulam Ahmed Pervez? Is this that hard?

Quote from Raj-ah on September 04, 2007, 040712 AM
These are the rankings of the MODerators I would assign in terms of being rational minded and Muslim minded.

Thank you for letting us know.

Reminds me of ABs lists.

No one is asking you for your affilation here, he just asked a simple question, which seems to have irritated some, the reason he aksed it at this web site is because we all know that you share the same stance on Hadith. It could have been answered simply, but it has become hard for you. There are lots of issues from other websites which are being discussed here So what is the big DEAL??

Regarding Ahmed Bhagat, banning him or any one from your site just because he doesnot agree with your idea of Islam is no where near to being a Freemind.

I have been visting many sites from many years but have seen these banning only in Cultists sites, for example in ALI SINA's site i spent almost two years and have seen extreme criticism of Sina and his site, but can find only one example of Masadi's posts sent to trash, where as here at your site we often see issuance of warnings and bans, similarly at sunni or shia sites even at Ahmedi site.

Well, in principle I could condemn them. But I don't feel like doing that just to appease someone whose views I have more in disagreement with.

Only a muslim can speak the truth boldly because Quran says
3370
(3370) O believers fear Allah and say the right thing

Hm, I see where you're coming from.

Well, in principle I could condemn them. But I don't feel like doing that just to appease someone whose views I have more in disagreement with.

Hence my question 'Who are you to tell us what to do?'

In this way truth and falshood are distinguished.
1781
(1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish."

And why should we do what you want?

Hence my question 'Who are you to tell us what to do?'

I am aware. Bukhari to them is part of a negative part of their lives so there is obviously some abhorrence to his works. I have no problem with the people debating the wrongness of his works, but I do not condone insulting remarks about it or those who follow it.

Joe

You can condemn Idara-e- Talue Islam in the same words as you condem Bukhari.
Do not use different words

Let us see how truthful you are

People have been condemning Bukhari here even the no topic is under discussion.
Don't you know this thing?

I am aware. Bukhari to them is part of a negative part of their lives so there is obviously some abhorrence to his works. I have no problem with the people debating the wrongness of his works, but I do not condone insulting remarks about it or those who follow it.

Joe

Just a little D

Zenje
Is this that hard?

He is asking a simple question? The site of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez who rejected Hadith, is why quoting Hadith?

The first thing that comes to mind is that may be they have realized the truth.
I have no affiliation with Ghulam and neither do many of the members here. Does this make sense to you, that someone should come to www.free-minds.org and debate about http//www.toluislam.com/ like we had anything to do with it? And then on top of that, claiming "Quranists" have double standards? If you have a questions for "Ghulam Ahmed Pervez", shouldn't you be asking Ghulam Ahmed Pervez? Is this that hard? nope

These are the rankings of the MODerators I would assign in terms of being rational minded and Muslim minded.

Thank you for letting us know.

Reminds me of ABs lists. ;D

Starting with the most or the least rational ?

Either way you are not at both ends ! !

But Joe, sorry to say that is not the official stand of your site, niether are the posts of main members supporting what your personal thought is.

1. Nadeem

2. Joe

3. Wakas

4. Idol free

5. Layth

6. Samia

7. Zenje

8. Savage-Carrot

These are the rankings of the MODerators I would assign in terms of being rational minded and Muslim minded.

Starting with the most or the least rational ;D?

Leoxyz,

Why are you asking members here about what happens in other websites?

Is this that hard?

He is asking a simple question? The site of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez who rejected Hadith, is why quoting Hadith?

The first thing that comes to mind is that may be they have realized the truth.

Peace

If you bring up the subject then I would tell you I would not take Bukhari as a lens to interpret the quran. I would say that I have no problem in following any advice he may have which is in line with the quran. Otherwise I would not go about condemning you for adhering to his interpretations, or rather the interpretations he heard others say that Muhammad said.

Joe

But Joe, sorry to say that is not the official stand of your site, niether are the posts of main members supporting what your personal thought is.

1. Nadeem

2. Joe

3. Wakas

4. Idol free

5. Layth

6. Samia

7. Zenje

8. Savage-Carrot

These are the rankings of the MODerators I would assign in terms of being rational minded and Muslim minded.

That is site which is Quranist.It is quoting Hadiths .
On one hand Quranist bash narration ,on the other hand quote them.
What is this ? double mouth ?? Licking one's own vomit ??
Can you label it ?

You want us to condemn that site, no?

That is true.What did I ask you to do ?? I could not understand.Would you please let me know ??

If you bring up the subject then I would tell you I would not take Bukhari as a lens to interpret the quran. I would say that I have no problem in following any advice he may have which is in line with the quran. Otherwise I would not go about condemning you for adhering to his interpretations, or rather the interpretations he heard others say that Muhammad said.

Joe

People have been condemning Bukhari here even the no topic is under discussion.
Don't you know this thing?

If you bring up the subject then I would tell you I would not take Bukhari as a lens to interpret the quran. I would say that I have no problem in following any advice he may have which is in line with the quran. Otherwise I would not go about condemning you for adhering to his interpretations, or rather the interpretations he heard others say that Muhammad said.

Joe

The purpose of this site is to study the quran. It is not necessary here to be condemning other websites for their differences. Others have a right to believe or not what is condemned for a mumin is only that they disregard or not live up to the system of God.

Joe

Then why condemning Bukhari ??
Why double standard ?

The purpose of this site is to study the quran. It is not necessary here to be condemning other websites for their differences. Others have a right to believe or not what is condemned for a mumin is only that they disregard or not live up to the system of God.

Joe

I agree with you.What I want they should condemn them should say openly that website is acting against Quran.

Okay then. Perhaps it's better you take it up with them, maybe write to them and ask them what's going on. By the way, just to inform you, there are other websites and groups who say they follow quran only, but they also adhere to some traditional hadith. Here, we have different members who follow different ways. As you may have noticed, there are even people who don't believe in God at all.

I would suggest you keep this in mind, and don't go around 'condemning' people. You can give advice, you can give suggestions, you can discuss your beliefs, you can debate in a civil manner... but when you start accusing people, name-calling other members, etc... then we have a problem.

I hope this is clear.

PEACE be with you.