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Thank you Janab.

peace

Peace Rajah, I agree with you and I also almost agree with your own post too .

That is unusual pleasent surprise for me. Thanks.

what you say above is right/correct as well.
We must remember, that A lone saint can only do so much, The system(Democracy) must be put in place and allowed to develop .
siki

Yes i agree with you democracy should be in place but for that matter the political parties of Pakistan including PPP do not have a good track record. At least in media the freedom now was never enjoyed before.

Burhan your comments are not Burhanic at all, What kind of Decent Pakistani people are those who prayed for the death of any one.

I and millions of others prayed that God rid pakistan of all bhuttos and sharifs forever.

Remember what Noah prayed for 7126/27

Sorry Raj-ah, she created the taliban madrasas in pk... she turned the poor towards exteremism and the rich towards hedonism. Lets not get emotional and start re-writing
history.

opening up madrasas and the rest you write are two different stories.

The second part of my post was in response to Edip's post and other posts where people don't know the reality.

Any way good advice by you
Lets not get emotional

Hmmm.... I'm not the one suffering from diana syndrome.

Allah dislikes those who do not what they say.

Salaam

Benazeer Bhutto a great leader daughter of great leader, the first MUSLIM women prime minister, was always hated and abused by religous extremists and religous fundamentalists, this point Edip does not takes into account while commenting.
Benazeer Bhutto when first became elected as the prime minister of Pakistan, I remember the oppositions handbills with Quranic Ayats translated "MEN are rulers over the Women......". So this hatred for her was from the day first using Quran as support, it was often talked about in even some moderate muslim Pakistani's houses that "Now when a women has become the ruler of our country we will face wrath of Allah".

Edip does not seem to understand the present position which Pakistan is in now, Al-Qaida has strong roots rather the Head quarter of it has shifted to Pakistan the land of Pukhtuns is fertile for their agenda demographically and culturally. Even the internet clubs and cafes are been exploded by bombs in urban districts such as Peshawar and Bannu. They are every where and spreading fastly, and the only attempt to stop them was by MUSSHARAF weather I like him or not. You have to study the history of these people where Al-Qaida and Taliban are growing and glowing, they are no muslims at all in my point of view, before the TALiBan they used to grow Hashish and Heroine and still perform five times prayers regularly, they used to kidnap innocent people from Urban areas for ransom and still fast for thirty full days, they are cancer of our society, no government of Pakistan dared ever to touch them, an example is that of AKBAR BUGTI just google about this war lord and you will know how barbaric were his acts, and he considered himself little God, and only MUSHARAFF government got rid of him.
I am no advocate of MUSHARAFF but in the present circumstances he is the best option for Pakistan.

I almost agree with the article of KAMAL accept few pragraphs, it is well written article in general bravo bravo

what you say above is right/correct as well.

We must remember, that A lone saint can only do so much, The system(Democracy) must be put in place and allowed to develop .

siki

Even a slow pace is okay but only thing with Pakistan is it's pacing backwards- now that isn't so good at all!

But i hope good people can bring the baddies to account for their actions- Stiff action is the only thing with strong religious propaganda that such heinous acts will in fact take them to the edge of hell if not in it!

God Bless.

Peace sis,
I partially agree with you ) There is a faction who are trying to push us/take us back into time, and they are effecting the pace of Pakistan in moving forward. but the vast majority of Pakistanis are doing their best to move forward and I think we have moved forward in spite of these elements and their ability to cause destruction.

If you remember, the government even invited the imam of kabaa to Pakistan to convince the mullahs of lal masjid to give up their hard stance, but they didn't. suicide bombing have been labeled unislamic by almost every major religious scholar of Pakistan, there are regular programs on such issues almost on every channel. The problem is that the only people who can make a difference are the mullah who mentally prepare these people for such acts, for them only they are right and for them only their interpretation of the verses of Quran in the light of hadiths is the right interpretation.

God bless,

peace

peace

Salaam

the good thing is Pakistan is not standing still.

Alhumdullilah!! moving forward slowly and gradually and this is what enrages the enemy.

I also agree with 2pac, yes Pakistan has a long way to go, there is a Chinese quotation "don't worry about the slow pace, worry about standing still" and the good thing is Pakistan is not standing still.

There are some good point in almost every post here.

peace

Salaams Br,

Even a slow pace is okay but only thing with Pakistan is it's pacing backwards- now that isn't so good at all!

But i hope good people can bring the baddies to account for their actions- Stiff action is the only thing with strong religious propaganda that such heinous acts will in fact take them to the edge of hell if not in it!

God Bless.

God Bless.

Peace Rajah, I agree with you and I also almost agree with your own post too .

I also agree with 2pac, yes Pakistan has a long way to go, there is a Chinese quotation "don't worry about the slow pace, worry about standing still" and the good thing is Pakistan is not standing still.

There are some good point in almost every post here.

peace

Hasan Bin Sabah. 1034 - 1124

Not much is known about Hassan, but legends abound as to the tactics used to induct members into his quasi-religious political organization. A future assassin was subjected to rites very similar to those of other mystery cults in which the subject was made to believe that he was in imminent danger of death. But the twist of the assassins was that they drugged the person to simulate a "dying" to later have them awaken in a garden flowing with wine and served a sumptuous feast by virgins. The supplicant was then convinced he was in Heaven and that Sabbah was a representative of the divinity and that all of his orders should be followed, even to death. This legend derives from Marco Polo, who visited Alamut just after it fell to the Mongols in the thirteenth century. Other accounts of the indoctrination attest that the future assassins were brought to Alamut at a young age and, while they matured, inhabited the aforementioned paradisial gardens and were kept drugged with hashish; as in the previous version, Hassan occupied this garden as a divine emissary. At a certain point (when their initiation could be said to have begun) the drug was withdrawn from them, and they were removed from the gardens and flung into a dungeon. There they were informed that, if they wished to return to the paradise they had so recently enjoyed it would be at Sabbah's discretion, and that they must therefore follow his directions exactly, up to and including murder and self-sacrifice.

peace

I'm not sure, but I believe the "Kamakazi" pilots were before "Tamil Tigers."

I am not sure that kamikaze are included in the category such as it is drawn. For one they were regular military, for another they fulfilled the orders of a regular established State command and it was regular warfare in a declared war against another army. Not that I have any interest one way or another. What I was trying to point out is that "muslim" "suicide bombers", fake or otherwise are not by far all that chracteristic, not the most numerous and not the most deadly even if they are the only ones that are continually drummed on the media. And if I point this out it is not either because I am fighting for an honourable place for Muslims in the suicide business, but because when we get fed something contrary to fact or distorting of it, there must be a reason to it and if we want not to lead with our chins we should want to know as accurately as possible what goes on and that we are in fact fed some facts and are robbed of others.

Salaam

Burhan your comments are not Burhanic at all, What kind of Decent Pakistani people are those who prayed for the death of any one.

Sorry Raj-ah, she created the taliban madrasas in pk... she turned the poor towards exteremism and the rich towards hedonism. Lets not get emotional and start re-writing
history.

opening up madrasas and the rest you write are two different stories. Any way good advice by you
Lets not get emotional
Allah dislikes those who do not what they say.

Regarding Musharaff my stance is not different from yours.

Sorry Raj-ah, she created the taliban madrasas in pk... she turned the poor towards exteremism and the rich towards hedonism. Lets not get emotional and start re-writing
history.

I don't think it's fair to compare Musharaf to Zia - the two are nothing alike. If anyone has heard him speak, they will know that he doesn't mince his words. This makes a refreshing change from the spin and bullshit we get in politics. The guy is sincere and that is good enough for me.

He is in a very difficult job, and for me has done the best that I expect of anyone. How many of us do right by our parents, children and spouses, imagine then how hard it is to do right by an entire nation and the world.

Remember the state Nawaz left pakistan in. It was on the brink of bankruptcy and a nuclear war with India. Both the economic situation and the relationship with India has improved vastly. He is only the guy the taliban will talk with, which is why the US&UK haven't assassinated him yet. If he is Americas poodle then why did he withdraw his forces from Waziristan and sign a peace deal with the Taliban and stop america from carpeting it. He is the only poodle I know who has openly critised the Iraq war on an American chat show directly contradicted bush & blair by saying the Iraq war had made matters worse.

If he makes peace with the taliban he is called a terrorist, if he makes peace with America he is called a puppet. I don't expect my politicians to be saints, all I expect sincerity and diligence.

At the end of the day there is only so much one man can do. Pakistanis are quick to fault the leader without questioning their own actions and contributions to their country. Right now, it's not Musharaf burning down businesses and rioting in the streets, it's the people - they have a choice.

Maybe I needed to have been more specific. The general laws put in place to protect the people are far better in other countries than Pakistan and i'm not just talking about the USA.

Yes I agree with you every nation has black sheeps but I'm talking from experience here of what Pakistan is like and they do have a long way to go to become civilised and the key to it is EDUCATION.

PEACE

Salam, sitting right in the middle of it , i can only say, that i completely agree with you.

siki

Dear siki,
No doubt you have a deep look in to matters but here you seem to be influenced by the propoganda of EDIP.

Benazeer Bhutto a great leader daughter of great leader, the first MUSLIM women prime minister, was always hated and abused by religous extremists and religous fundamentalists, this point Edip does not takes into account while commenting.
Benazeer Bhutto when first became elected as the prime minister of Pakistan, I remember the oppositions handbills with Quranic Ayats translated "MEN are rulers over the Women......". So this hatred for her was from the day first using Quran as support, it was often talked about in even some moderate muslim Pakistani's houses that "Now when a women has become the ruler of our country we will face wrath of Allah".

Edip does not seem to understand the present position which Pakistan is in now, Al-Qaida has strong roots rather the Head quarter of it has shifted to Pakistan the land of Pukhtuns is fertile for their agenda demographically and culturally. Even the internet clubs and cafes are been exploded by bombs in urban districts such as Peshawar and Bannu. They are every where and spreading fastly, and the only attempt to stop them was by MUSSHARAF weather I like him or not. You have to study the history of these people where Al-Qaida and Taliban are growing and glowing, they are no muslims at all in my point of view, before the TALiBan they used to grow Hashish and Heroine and still perform five times prayers regularly, they used to kidnap innocent people from Urban areas for ransom and still fast for thirty full days, they are cancer of our society, no government of Pakistan dared ever to touch them, an example is that of AKBAR BUGTI just google about this war lord and you will know how barbaric were his acts, and he considered himself little God, and only MUSHARAFF government got rid of him.
I am no advocate of MUSHARAFF but in the present circumstances he is the best option for Pakistan.

I almost agree with the article of KAMAL accept few pragraphs, it is well written article in general bravo bravo

PEACE

What the Hell do you mean by civilized? We are a civilized nation, there are black sheeps every where, if a young student in california kills his school mates by gun shots, does it mean USA is uncivilized.

Waqas

Re suicide bombers origin

I'm not sure, but I believe the "Kamakazi" pilots were before "Tamil Tigers."

In modren history they were Japenese "Kamakazi" YES.

I'm not sure, but I believe the "Kamakazi" pilots were before "Tamil Tigers."

Salaam

I tend to agree with Nawash. USA has done what it can to unseat Musharraf but, obviously hasn't been able.

Absolutely right, Musharraf has not lived up to their expectations like Mubarak or else he could have gone on and on and on without importing BB.

I am sure that the agencies are capable of creating many things inside their country, and the agencies of the big powers, particularly Britain and USA, anywhere in the world, and they do it all the time

Outside agencies succeeded because the insider sold their soul for a measurable price.

It is very important for the rest of the world that Pakistan does not fall into imperial hands, in sha Allah, or hell will be still more loose on this earth.

May be its too late as economy matters most to people everywhere in the world and strings are in the hands of those who own the lot. Past corrupt politicians, including BB, did not use the aid given to Pakistan as it should have been. The West gave aid on Monday and by Wednesday it was back in Western banks, in the personal accounts of the politicians and the public, their children and their grandchildren are left to pay back the money with interest.
National assets have been sold to investors from abroad. Multinationals, like Nestle, control water and milk supply plus much more. Inside the army hold huge assets and its expanding at the expense of the public. Now the aid lines the pockets of the army, With this sort of indulgence how will they defend country? This remains to be seen.

Best regards
farida .

I am sure that the agencies are capable of creating many things inside their country, and the agencies of the big powers, particularly Britain and USA, anywhere in the world, and they do it all the time. So I agree that the Pakistani agencies may create wheatever. But the point is that the work those groups the Pakistani agencies might have created, matches much more the interest of the impire that those of the Pakistani nation included its present Goverment. It is ridiculous to think that Musharraf is serving the interests of the USA-Britain-Israel, when in fact Pakistan is allied with China, and coordinates with China its external policy. The elements purportedly acting at the bid of the Pakistani Government as terrorists have in fact attacked Chinese coooeration with Pakistan, which obviously is not a pro- mUsharraf move. If Musharraf was doing the imperial bid, why should the West continually embarass the Pakistani Government pushing for hot putrsuit and questioning continually Pakistans pkeep of its nuclear, and why ship Benazir? The west could handle Musharraf much better if however they might order him around, were not obvious about it. So if they are and with no particular benefit except enrage Pakistan's population, it is obviously that they are not favouring Musharraf.
The logical flaws in the argument are obvious. However, what is important is that no matter which the disagreements are, Pakistanis keep cool and don't get taken in somebody else's game and don't fight amongs themsleves. They must come to a consensus however difficult. I am sure, if they put their mind to it, they can. If not all, at least most of them, and let whoever is unable to come to it, take their pick.

It is very important for the rest of the world that Pakistan does not fall into imperial hands, in sha Allah, or hell will be still more loose on this earth.

Concerning the Sha, it was in fact the west who threw him out. He was becoming too much of his own master. The West could not allow, and still cannot allow any country in the middle east to become to powerful or important (except pimp Israel, of course). Therefore the held in storage in Paris Khomeini was shipped to Iran, so that he could undo whatever good could have been done in Iran previously, job at which he succeeded, but not completely.

Salaam

Pakistan has a long way to go to become democratic and civilised.

PEACE

Salam, sitting right in the middle of it , i can only say, that i completely agree with you.

siki