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I do not follow the Catholic dogma, which is one reason I fell myself a heretic. I dont belive Christ was divine, just the sinless mortal that sacraficed himself so that people could finally hear one of god's words. Its also a belief of mine that no religion has all the information to be the one true faith. Another is that there is no Final message from god, i belive that god is a very talketive person and would not give his creation one message and just stop till the end of days. His message will change and evolve based on the problems and situation of the time. So in a way, all the monotheist religions are true. They just dont have everything neccesary to be the one true faith.
I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. grouphug I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie.
peace Lost Philosopher,
I don't think Jesus was sinless or that he sacrificed himself. And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.
I don't think unifying the three books makes much sense. The three are talking about very different things.
The quran uses old, familiar parables to spell out a much different message. It has nothing to do with the Torah or the Bible.
The truth, I believe, is found through observation and reasoning. Reading books can only get us so far, the rest is up to us. There is no book in the world which contains things that we cannot find out without it. You are right that God is a very talkative "person," we just have to find God's voice. -
peace Lost Philosopher,
I don't think Jesus was sinless or that he sacrificed himself. And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.I wonder where you came to that conclusion. Dosent the Qur'an say that christians and jews are fellow worshipers of the same god? Sure, in a way it is pagan, but that diffirence shouldn't be enough to say that they're totally off the point to where they're not worshiping god?
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oh they're worshipping god alright. but not the quran's god.
I don't think the quran says that the christians and jews worship the same god.
What I have found is that the difference is big enough. The bible is totally off. Or the Quran's totally off, if you are a sun worshipper. -
I do not follow the Catholic dogma, which is one reason I fell myself a heretic. I dont belive Christ was divine, just the sinless mortal that sacraficed himself so that people could finally hear one of god's words. Its also a belief of mine that no religion has all the information to be the one true faith. Another is that there is no Final message from god, i belive that god is a very talketive person and would not give his creation one message and just stop till the end of days. His message will change and evolve based on the problems and situation of the time. So in a way, all the monotheist religions are true. They just dont have everything neccesary to be the one true faith.
I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. group I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie. D
Lost Philosopher, Allah-u-Abha! (God is the Most Glorious!)
I believe that all religions were from one God, yet people with their superstitions added their literal interpretations of the Holy Scriptures rather than the metaphorical (Avesta, Tanakh, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada, Bible, Qur'an), and you have addressed what we believe as Baha'is too, which is always wonderful!
We believe that God will always send more Messengers in every period of time when irreligion is rampant, such as Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab, and now the Messenger for this time, Baha'u'llah. It just seems a little strange that God would just let Eir* religion die into corruption. The Laws of God are always and should be relevant for this day and age.
I hope your study of the Qur'an will be fruitful! Ever since I became a Baha'i, I wanted to escape from the war of verse-slinging that I was used to when I was part of the Christian religion. So I have thus read the Tanakh, Bible and Qur'an, but devotionally, to help my spirituality and feed my soul with spiritual fruits. )
One day, people will realise that there is only One Religion and remove these barriers, and as the Bible says, there will be a new Jerusalem! Everyone will worship God and be united as One Humanity!
But the Qur'an has so many beautiful gems, and there are already some of my many favourite verses within too! I hope that with discriminating eyes, you will see the Truth of the Qur'an and the beauty of God's system for daily life. D
God is the Most Glorious,
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Welcome, Lost Philosopher,
Peace Phoenix,
And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.
I have seen this idea of a probable confusion son/sun other times, in other posts from other members, but that similarity happens in a specific language, English.
It is very different in other languages, like in Spanish where sun/son = sol/hijo, so I don't think it has nothing to do and it can't be presented as a cause of and old confusion that made people worship the son of God when it was originally worship the sun.
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Peace Lost
i agree with Kevyn as always lol so spiritual and peaceful indeed!
and excellent point, Elena
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Peace Lost Philosopher,
I wonder where you came to that conclusion. Dosent the Qur'an say that christians and jews are fellow worshipers of the same god? Sure, in a way it is pagan, but that diffirence shouldn't be enough to say that they're totally off the point to where they're not worshiping god?
The word Christian (Arabic Masihi) never occurs in the great reading ("quran". The great reading condemns as rejecters trinitarians and monophisites (572-73). The great reading mentions the Jews and the Nasara. The Nasara are not rejecters but they have setup a partner with the god by claiming that Jesus is the human son of the god (930).
Peace,
Ayman
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In my opinion everybody serves the same God because there is I believe only One God. Many of us just have different views of the nature of God. Christians believe God is of Love while Muslims believe God is of Mercy.
Now I find that in a way the same thing. Isnt love, in a way, the same as mercy? A person that cares about someone is usually merciful towards them and people wouldnt be merciful if they didnt care about the person.
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Christians believe God is of Love while Muslims believe God is of Mercy
This is very interesting saying, and it is exactly how christians and muslims view their God.
And I believe God is both, loving and mercifull.
Now the question is Are Christians Loving and Muslims Mercifull? Does our way of life reflect our views on God? The answer is big NO.
This should be your quest Lost philospher, to find out why, and try to change it. bravo
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In my opinion everybody serves the same God because there is I believe only One God. Many of us just have different views of the nature of God. Christians believe God is of Love while Muslims believe God is of Mercy.
That is quite true! And Baha'is always like to say that God is a God of Glory. God is indeed all, lol.
Elena, that is also true. It always had bugged me when people make these attributions that wouldn't have made sense in the first place. It's as wacky as KJV-onlyism.
BOOST, lol. You're too sweet, lol. But praise God for it, and for all blessings that Ey has bestowed upon the servants of those who love Em! ^__^
Los Philosopher, I personally see Love as true, unconditional affection for someone or something, as passionate and sensual as transcendence itself, and Mercy is justice brought to a level of complete and utterly Divine Forgiveness.
Whether you see both attributes as the same or different, the practice of any of God's beautiful attributes will grant those attributes to flourish within you. To be Gracious and Merciful should be the goal of every Muslim, that Christians may practice unconditional Love for one another, that Buddhists should be Compassionate, and Baha'is being the essence of Unity.
In the name of God, the Most Pure, the Most Pure.
Kevyn -
peace Elena
I have seen this idea of a probable confusion son/sun other times, in other posts from other members, but that similarity happens in a specific language, English.
It is very different in other languages, like in Spanish where sun/son = sol/hijo, so I don't think it has nothing to do and it can't be presented as a cause of and old confusion that made people worship the son of God when it was originally worship the sun.
OK, you got me there. That argument doesn't work. But, there is more than enough evidence supporting the fact that Jesus=the son.
check this oot
http//freedomdomain.com/relig.htmhttp//members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/index.htm#solarmyth
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peace ElenaOK, you got me there. That argument doesn't work. But, there is more than enough evidence supporting the fact that Jesus=the son.
check this oot
http//freedomdomain.com/relig.htmhttp//members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/index.htm#solarmyth
I don't know... it just seems as believable as the "Islamic Allah is a pagan Moon god" theory. In any case, the Bible itself says that Jesus is the "Son of God." To Baha'is and to me, it is a metaphorical title, a spiritual one as a Prophet (Manifestation, or manifests the attributes) of God, and not that God actually and literally begets a son... it would be akin to a strange form of sexual reproduction with humans... o__O... Anyways, I'm digressing, lol.
"For this is how God loved the world he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 316 (New Jerusalem Bible)
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Thats probably true, the "son" being metaphorical than spiritual. Maybe its a metaphor for Christ being gods highest angel after lucifers fall. Or maye hey just took the prophet thing one step too far?
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Peace Bro Lost
Maybe its a metaphor for Christ being gods highest angel after lucifers fall
Isn't that what Jehova's Witnesses believe? that he's an archangel?
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Thats probably true, the "son" being metaphorical than spiritual. Maybe its a metaphor for Christ being gods highest angel after lucifers fall. Or maye hey just took the prophet thing one step too far?
Did not Jesus say
"I am the Way, I am the Truth and Life,
No one can come to the Father
except through me.
If you know me, you will know my Father too.
From this moment you know him and have seen him."
John 146-7I see it both as a spiritual AND metaphorical title, not a literal one. We are all children of God because we believe in Em, but it is not that we are begotten from Em. And Lord Jesus calling Himself the Son of God is a spiritual title of Prophethood.
Lord Baha'u'llah is termed the "Glory/Splendour/Brilliance/Beauty of God." It is a spiritual title also. And Lord Muhammad is the "Praised One" of God, although God alone is worthy of Praise and is the Most Glorious.
Lord Abraham was the "Father of the Nations." He was both a spiritual and literal father of many peoples, even though there is only one Parent in Heaven.
PS I just noticed that the older bible versions, such as the KJV, Darby and DRV have "begotten" in the translation... the textus receptus used must have been doctored or something, lol.
And yes, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael. lol
