The Crescent
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Peace Bro Kevyn
i just thought that idea was much more natural and related to the earth and peaceful than some turkish conquest... in my opinion at least
so bahai's don't consider themselves muslim? or do some? was Baha-ullah considered a prophet?
Ya Baha'u'l-Abha, BOOST!
Yes, the theory seems much more natural than the one of the conquest -- I heartily agree! His post was actually very beautifully done!
Baha'is normally (and shouldn't) do not consider themselves Muslims (one of my Muslim friends had a Baha'i who said that he was Muslim...). But since we believe that our Revealed Religion is the Revelation for this Day and Age, we are essentially, Buddhists who follow Buddha, Christians who follow Jesus, Muslims who follow Muhammad, Jews who follow Moses, etc. But we are in all, Baha'is who follow the Prophet Baha'u'llah to GOD. And all these religions should all come to GOD in the end.
Baha'u'llah is a Prophet of God to Baha'is though!
Salamaa all,
Kevynbello, is it prudent to try using a calendar with 19 months when the quran mentions 12? I don't need the answer but I felt my duty to give the question.
adjwi
Well, I'm not a Muslim and since I am a Baha'i, we have a new Revelation. Some religions seem to have their own new way of time keeping as the old Revelation passes away. Plus, 19 is a wonderful, Qur'anic number anyways! ^__^
127
The number of months in a year, appointed in the
Book of God, is nineteen. Of these the first hath been
adorned with this Name which overshadoweth the
whole of creation.(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 64)
Salam.
Some people think that carrying the golden moons and stars on their necklaces is part of the Islam. Of course, this has now become such tradition that if you don't carry this object, you're not good Muslim, at least this goes here in the Balcans.
Person must first have religion in his heart, you can carry any object, any sign around your neck, wrist or an ankle, Islam is in the heart.
Peace.
This is most true. When I first became a Baha'i and desired to wear a nine-pointed star on my neck (many Baha'is in my community wear a ring with the Ringstone symbol, but I end up losing rings, or that they get stuck on my finger), I went to the Vancouver Baha'i Centre to see what kind of jewellery they had. The store volunteer told me, that it is more important to show the Faith through one's deeds and actions rather than what you wear.
Baha'i symbols http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_symbols (Who knew, the official symbol of the Baha'i Faith is a five-pointed star!)
So true, so true, lol. But symbols, as I said earlier, although arbitrary, should constantly act as reminders of our identity, and to what (or Who) we belong to.
Allah-u-Abha!
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Salaam kevynbello
Ya Baha'u'l-Abha, BOOST!
Allah-u-Abha! (God is the Most Glorious!)
Why do use a greeting in Arabic that is meaaningless even in Arabic, and a tribute to God that certainly does not mean "Glorious"? Is it just because it is derived from the name of your prophet? Do you idolise him that much?
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Salaam kevynbello
Why do use a greeting in Arabic that is meaaningless even in Arabic, and a tribute to God that certainly does not mean "Glorious"? Is it just because it is derived from the name of your prophet? Do you idolise him that much?
The name Baha (Glory, Splendour) is one of the attributes of God. Some of the names of the Prophets or Messengers are also attributes of God. Although they should be for God alone, they are given to the Messengers because they have been chosen by God.
Jesus = Yahweh is my Saviour
Muhammad = the Praised One
Buddha = Enlightened One
Krishna = "All-Attractive One" dark one
Abraham = Father of many nations
Zoroaster = Golden StarIf you want to believe that I am an idol worshipper, then I'm an idol worshipper, lol. But whether I am or not, (in my heart, I see no wrong and I do not see myself as idolising him as a god), I do it for the love of God.
Allah-u-Abha!
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Peace Sis Samia
Well, correct me if i'm wrong... if Baha is just glory and Baha'ullah means the glory of God, then when he says Allahu Abha - abha being superlative, that would mean God is Most Glorious... i don't see how that would make anyone an idol worshipper... i don't think that was a very nice conclusion you made about him.
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Salaam kevyn
I am sorry if my message offended you. I did not mean that you are an idol worshipper. I did not ask if you worshipped him. Idolize could mean "to love too much", and that was clear from the context, as you use his name in greetings, and maybe in other contexts.
Peace Sis Samia
Well, correct me if i'm wrong... if Baha is just glory
Salaam Boost
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Salaam kevyn
I am sorry if my message offended you. I did not mean that you are an idol worshipper. I did not ask if you worshipped him. Idolize could mean "to love too much", and that was clear from the context, as you use his name in greetings, and maybe in other contexts.
Salaam Boost
Baha is beauty, splendour, brilliance..My sister in God,
Allah-u-Abha!No harm done. As long as you are sincere, it is no sin to God, lol.
I know we're going off topic, but here are some passages that may help you understand the Baha'i sense of the Messengers and God. The Messengers are considered both human and divine (when they receive Revelation from God), but they are not GOD Emself, who is unknowable and greater than all things.
Lord Baha'u'llah likens it to the Sun and mirrors (heheh, with the pagan Sun analogy). The Sun is God, and the Messengers are but the Mirrors that reflect the Divine Light. People, those who perceive the light may call the Mirror God, but in truth, The Messengers are but reflectors of the One True Source of Light, and thus are not GOD.
XXI. O Salman! The door of the knowledge of the Ancient Being hath ever been, and will continue for ever to be, closed in the face of men. No man's understanding shall ever gain access unto His holy court. As a token of His mercy, however, and as a proof of His loving-kindness, He hath manifested unto men the Day Stars of His divine guidance, the Symbols of His divine unity, and hath ordained the knowledge of these sanctified Beings to be identical with the knowledge of His own Self. Whoso recognizeth them hath recognized God. Whoso hearkeneth to their call, hath hearkened to the Voice of God, and whoso testifieth to the truth of their Revelation, hath testified to the truth of God Himself. Whoso turneth away from them, hath turned away from God, and whoso disbelieveth in them, hath disbelieved in God. Every one of them is the Way of God that connecteth this world with the realms above, and the Standard of His Truth unto every one in the kingdoms of earth and heaven. They are the Manifestations of God amidst men, the evidences of His Truth, and the signs of His glory.
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 49)
Since we believe that God is forever unknowable as long as we are in fleshly bodies here on Earth, the Manifestations (the Prophets who are so-called because they manifest the Attributes, and some even the Names of God) are the gateway to Em. The Revelation (Holy Spirit) is the connectivity between the Realm of God and the Realm of Humanity.
It is why Lord Krishna says to love Him. It is why Lord Jesus claimed as the Way to the Father. And in the Qur'an, obedience to the Message of Lord Muhammad. And since God is much unknowable in Eir Divine and Glorious Essence, I don't see why one can not love the Prophets of God. ) They were, after all, chosen!
I hope you can understand where I am coming from, although you may disagree. ^__^
God is sufficient unto me,
Ey is the All-Sufficing.
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Salaama all,
Allow me to share with you my observations regarding the crescent. In french, the word for crescent is croissant and that word is related to growth. Opposite to growth is d?croissance, I don't think the english language has the word decrescent. From what I have observed, the symbol used for islam is a decrescent, not a crescent.
Interesting, I've heard of an anecdote that the croissant was invented by the French to mock the Ottoman Turks, by showing that the Europeans eat the Turks' symbol.
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Interesting, I've heard of an anecdote that the croissant was invented by the French to mock the Ottoman Turks, by showing that the Europeans eat the Turks' symbol.
The origin of this flaky, buttery-rich yeast roll dates back to 1686, when Austria was at war with Turkey. In the dead of night a group of bakers, hearing Turks tunneling under their kitchens, spread the alarm that subsequently led to the Turkish defeat. In turn, the vigilant bakers were awarded the privilege of creating a commemorative pastry in the shape of the crescent on the Turkish flag.
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Anyone else getting hungry?
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Anyone else getting hungry?
Makes me wonder if you can veganise a croissant, lol.
I miss eating one.
Allah-u-Abha,
Kevyn.