Do you believe the devil (iblis the jinn) is real, and have you experienced it?
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that reminds me of some 80s lyric ...
"the devil inside .. the devil inside ... every single one of us the devil inside ... " >D
sorry ;D
yea i think we all experienced iblees working his magic in our lives
have you?
peace
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Salaam Aleikum,
Taken from the book "Jinn as understood through the Quran"
Click here for the book "Jinn as understood through the Quran"
Jinn= he/it concealed/covered with darkness (see also use in 676)/intense/confusing darkness/that which is concealed from mans senses/rarely seen/things/beings that are hidden.
Iblis=Ibless its derived form "balasa" ( Baa Laam Seen) which means deprivation/hopelessness/frustration/Person of desperate character/struck dumb with despair/who despaired/who became broken in spirit/mournful/who was perplexed and unable to see his way/who was prevented from attaining his wish/who became unable to prosecute his wish.
Shaitan=Shiin-Tay-Nun = become distant/far/remote, enter firmly / become firmly fixed therein / penetrate and be concealed, turn away in opposition (from direction/aim), devil, one excessively proud/corrupt, unbelieving/rebellious/insolent/audacious, rope, deep curved well, it burned, became burnt, serpent, any blamable faculty or power of a man, long rope, opponent, accuser, adversary.
When looked carefully upon the circumstances where Iblis is used, and where shaitan is used. One will notice a difference, that with Iblis=desperate side, it only refers to when the evil side is only talking about itself, about its own nature. And shaitan=rebel/opponent/distanced from Truth/God is mentioned when the evil/rebellious side of man is being used. So Iblis is used for explaining the desires, emotions that prevent them from choosing the right way, they are explained to what their position is in man. And shaitan is mentioned when these desires and emotions are used to prevent the human itself and others from choosing the right way of progress. Shaitan means Iblis is at work. This can be clearly seen by the next couple of verses, where the desperate side of men(Iblis), wont pay any obedience to mankind(711), it explains it will not serve us. And the rebel side is used to lead people away, becoming distanced from God(shaitan)(720), and so here it explains the difference of Iblis and shaitan. So God explains with these terms, our psyche, and what will happen to us if we listen to them and get driven by them.
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Verily We created you and gave you form and shape, and ordered the ones in power to serve Adam (mankind) in Homage; and they all bowed but the desperate and frustrated side (Iblis), who was not among those who being subservient (sujood) (served mankind for the better). 12. "What prevented you" (said God), "From being subservient
(sujood) to (Mankind) at My bidding?" "I (straying ego, desire) am better than him," said he. "You created me from fire, and him from inorganic matter." 13. So God said "Descend (to the lowest part of creation). You have no right to be insolent here. Go, and away; you are one of the damned." (In Djenna, evil and these destructive emotions are not present, on this high level of thinking and experiencing, and when the perfect society is attained) 14. "Grant me respite," said he, "till the raising of the dead (Use me to test mankind till the end of this Earth and the creation of the new universe)." 15. And God said "You have the respite." 16. "Since You led me into error (created me to err)," said the desperate and frustrated side of mankind(Iblis), "I shall lie in wait
for them along Your straight path. 17. And I shall come upon them from the front and behind, right and left; and You will not find among them many who would give thanks." 18. "Be gone," said (God), "contemptible and rejected! As for those who follow you (are driven by desires,lusts), I shall fill up Jahannam(state of misery) with all of you. 19. And you, O Mankind, and your spouse, live in Djenna (inner peace and perfect society) and eat your fill wheresoever you like, but do not approach this tree (deeds and thinking), or you will become iniquitous." 20. But the rebellious, the side distanced from progress (shaitan) suggested (evil) to them, in order to reveal their hidden parts of which they were not aware (till then), and said "Your Sustainer has forbidden you (to go near) this tree that you may not become ones in power or immortal." 21. Then he said to them on oath "I am your sincere friend;" -
And led them (to the thoughts) by deceit. When they tasted (the fruit/result) of the tree(deed) their disgrace became exposed to them; and they patched the leaves of the Hidden Garden (perfect consciousness and society) to hide it. And the Sustainer said to them "Did I not forbid you this tree (deed, thinking)? And I told you that the rebellious, the side distanced from progress (shaitan) (inner lusts, straying egos) was your open enemy. 23. They said "O our Sustainer, we have wronged ourselves. If You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we shall certainly be lost." 24. "Go," said God, "one the antagonist of the other, and live on the earth for a time ordained, and fend for yourselves. 25. You will live there, and there will you die," He said, "and be raised from there (On the Day of New Creation)." 26. O children of Adam, We have revealed to you a dress that would both hide your nakedness(weakness) and be an adornment, but the raiment of piety is best. This is one of the tokens of God You may haply reflect. 27. O sons of Adam, let not the opponent, rebellious, the side distanced from progress and from God (shaitan) beguile you as he did your parents out of Hidden Garden (perfect consciousness and society), and made them disrobe to expose their disgrace to them. For he and his host can see you from where you cannot see them. We have made the opponents, the ones distanced from righteousness, Truth, Reality, God, progress (shaitan) the friends of those who do not believe.
So Iblis is used, to explain this side of man, it will not serve mankind
11. Verily We created you and gave you form and shape, and ordered the ones in power to be of service to Adam (mankind); and they all bowed but the desperate and frustrated side(Iblis), who was not among those who being subservient (sujood) (served mankind for the better).And Shaitan is used when Iblis is at work
20. But the rebellious, the side that is distanced from progress (shaitan) suggested (evil) to them, in order to reveal their hidden parts of which they were not aware (till then), and said "Your Sustainer has forbidden you (to go near) this tree that you may not become ones in power or immortal."So what is Iblis? What did all of these verses tell us till now? It is called a malikah, one with authority, power and control. And in the context of these verses, the malikah here refer to the creation. So Iblis is part of the creation, Iblis means someone desperate, deprivation, hopelessness , frustration, Person of desperate character, struck dumb with despair. In 712 it refers to having false pride and thinking to be superior over other things. It is created to err in 716. It is the desperate side created inside man which has control and power over us, and will not bow to us, to help us reach a higher stage of existence. It is concealed from senses, jinn. It is referred as being made out of fire. Fire is a state of energy that can take large molecules and make them separate to react with others, and become smaller molecules. Also fire can spread uncontrollably and can almost use anything as fuel. Very interesting definition. It coincides perfectly with our desperate and frustrated side, which takes apart Truth and logic, mixes it with illusion. It can use almost anything to be ignited if we allow it. In a state of despair and frustration, anything can be used as a reason to be angry or sad. And when Iblis is in use, it is called shaitan, something that will distance us from God and our fulfillment, it is rebellious and our opponent, our enemy.
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Peace bro "Arnold",
The problem im having with accepting Jinn in the Quran to be the evil/erring part of man is the following verse
Some of us(Jinn) are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
If Jinn are the erring/evil part of men then the above verse does not make sense. How do you explain that? GOD Bless! -
Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem.
I can talk a little bit about my own experience of it.
The fiercest enemity I have ever seen, in my path, is from the gay. The extreme idiocy they engage in, works like an obscurer of light, and the people who posess it. There was a time when many of these people were present, some not gay, in a chatroom I was in, and not surprisingly, they would output the words of Iblis.
So definately stay away from them, if anyone of them claims to be a believer, refuse it. The Quran has several passages forbidding this, and God didn't say this for entertainment.
Ofcourse, I've seen them in real life aswell, but they are mostly rejected by mainstream society, so they are not a problem there.
But on IRC it's like sitting down right next to them, when you sit with your computer. And they don't say who they are, but output devilish garbage constantly, probably driving the disbeliever insane. Ofcourse it's not just the gay, but that's where I noticed it mostly. Law-abiding citizens are usually ok, except those with weak morals.I have also seen angels in Al-Qaida. That doesn't mean I support them, they act on their belief, and their connection to God, and so do I.
But with regards to the output of the USA, no wonder they are offended, because so am I. I don't want my people to be constantly brainwashed with gansta-rap, rambos, or other dumb-as-a-bell hero, until they believe they are society, and act like them. HEY how many didn't do the crane karate kid move!?!?!? What about giving the intelligent, the tools to learn, in an early age, instead of harassing them? Creating a resource, instead of a potential mass-murderer. The latter, would ofcourse be devil cultivation, performed by the harassing mob, which are devil worshippers.(God cultivation = cultivating forth godly people, done by God-worshippers, people who obey God.)
Best Regards / Salam-o-aleikum
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Peace bro "Arnold",
The problem im having with accepting Jinn in the Quran to be the evil/erring part of man is the following verse
Some of us(Jinn) are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
If Jinn are the erring/evil part of men then the above verse does not make sense. How do you explain that? GOD Bless!Salam my dear Jonny,
I'm sorry to say this but I don't know if you have a brick wall in front of your head, because I have said this so many times to you. Jinn is also used for humans that are rarely seen in direct society. It is NOT a title for ONE thing, it is used for SEVERAL things, including humans, fantasies, emotions, rarely seen animals, legends, dead people and many more. Jinn means SOMETHING concealed, and thus can refer to MANY things at the same time.
If you would have taken the time to read my book I gave in the link, you would not have made your above comment. This is my commentary on Surah 72
"This clear enough, as it directly refers to the nomads, hermits, travelers living in the time of Muhammed. At that moment they were seen by the prophet, so there status of being jinn, doesnt always refer to the direct situation, but to the normal situation. Normally these people were not seen by Muhammed and his people, and by thus carry the title jinn, rarely seen. That told about the Quran, when they got back to their people. Here they also refer to human activity of telling fortunes through the stars, and acknowledging that it will only work against them. Describing themselves, as some of us good, some of us bad. There is my vision, no doubt that here jinn is meant as the persons normally not seen, the nomads, hermits, monks. That they were most likely Followers of Jesus or Jews who believed in idols, as Osiris, can be seen by verse 723 ?Exalted is the glory of our Lord; He has neither wife nor son.?"
And here is my conclusion on what Jinn are
"Conclusion.
I have tried my best to give make an as clear answer as I can from the Quran itself. I believe, I have proven that the word jinn, doesnt has a fixed meaning, as it is depended on the context of the verses. We have come across the meanings as ego, desires, fantasies, bad/evil thoughts, emotions as hate, anger. Humans living out of direct view of the more populated societies, as nomads, people living in jungles. People working behind the scenes in politics, rulers of nations or religious groups, intelligent people that live secluded. Monks, nuns, hermits. Bums, top criminals, people living maybe in a city, but are not part of its system. People living in secluded villages or societies and so on. People of the past, legends. Ancestors, imaginary idols, peerless people. More ideas can come up, as the word jinn is versatile in its applying. But I hope to have broken the myth of the invisible spirits, as these are not given in the Quran. I admit, they are also not denied, as they can fall under the term hidden, but there has been no verses given at all, that give any clue of their existence. The rule I applied here, is looking for the meanings of words, through text analysis, instead of applying given fixed title meanings, is in my eyes, the true key to the Quran, the Reading, as it will give wider understandings, in words as Djenna, Jahannam, mailik-ah and so on. More research must be done, may God accept this work. All faults are of my own. May this be the start.."
As you can see NO fixed meaning! It is not black or white, it is not or emotions or beings. IT ARE BOTH!
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that reminds me of some 80s lyric ...
"the devil inside .. the devil inside ... every single one of us the devil inside ... " >D
sorry ;D
yea i think we all experienced iblees working his magic in our lives
have you?
peace
voodoo How's that for magic? D
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Salaam Aleikum Nerspi,
The Quran says
2399 (Those who keep belying themselves), when death comes to one of them, say, My Lord! Send me back (2374, 90).
23100 That I may do good works in that I left behind! But, nay! It is a mere word of no significance that he speaks. And behind them is a barrier until the Day they are raised. (395.Also they are not awake during their death, only when people are brought back to conciousness in the Next Life, will they wake up
3652 They will exclaim, Oh, woe unto us! Who has awakened us from our beds of sleep? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth. ('Marqad' = Bed of sleep = Resting place. The concept of punishment in the grave is non-Quranic and, hence, wrong).
People claim many things, but they don't understand it. What they are doing is picking up the frequencies of deceased people in the Quantum Field. I explain it here
Scientific Explanation of the Afterlife
So Ghosts cannot fall under the term jinn.
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Nonsense Jonny, complete nonsense. Jinn means 'something hidden'. They talk about God having no wife or son. They talk about listening to the 'angels' through the stars. It is known Jewish, Christian and Persian monks lived in the deserts, travelling. They were fortunetellers and astrologers. Monks live outside society, and are thus hidden for the public. Which is why they are called Jinn. A snake is also called jinn or janna, but a snake is not invisible is it? It is called jinn because it is rarely seen, and mostly only at the last moment. Monks tried to tell the future through the stars. Qabala is a known Jewish form of Astrology. Nostradamus used it too. No need for believing in unsupported creatures when easy answers are right in front of us.
My commentary on Surah 72
"This clear enough, as it directly refers to the nomads, hermits, travelers living in the time of Muhammed. At that moment they were seen by the prophet, so there status of being jinn, doesnt always refer to the direct situation, but to the normal situation. Normally these people were not seen by Muhammed and his people, and by thus carry the title jinn, rarely seen. That told about the Quran, when they got back to their people. Here they also refer to human activity of telling fortunes through the stars, and acknowledging that it will only work against them. Describing themselves, as some of us good, some of us bad. There is my vision, no doubt that here jinn is meant as the persons normally not seen, the nomads, hermits, monks. That they were most likely Followers of Jesus or Jews who believed in idols, as Osiris, can be seen by verse 723 ?Exalted is the glory of our Lord; He has neither wife nor son.?"
And here is my conclusion on what Jinn are
"Conclusion.
I have tried my best to give make an as clear answer as I can from the Quran itself. I believe, I have proven that the word jinn, doesnt has a fixed meaning, as it is depended on the context of the verses. We have come across the meanings as ego, desires, fantasies, bad/evil thoughts, emotions as hate, anger. Humans living out of direct view of the more populated societies, as nomads, people living in jungles. People working behind the scenes in politics, rulers of nations or religious groups, intelligent people that live secluded. Monks, nuns, hermits. Bums, top criminals, people living maybe in a city, but are not part of its system. People living in secluded villages or societies and so on. People of the past, legends. Ancestors, imaginary idols, peerless people. More ideas can come up, as the word jinn is versatile in its applying. But I hope to have broken the myth of the invisible spirits, as these are not given in the Quran. I admit, they are also not denied, as they can fall under the term hidden, but there has been no verses given at all, that give any clue of their existence. The rule I applied here, is looking for the meanings of words, through text analysis, instead of applying given fixed title meanings, is in my eyes, the true key to the Quran, the Reading, as it will give wider understandings, in words as Djenna, Jahannam, mailik-ah and so on. More research must be done, may God accept this work. All faults are of my own. May this be the start.."
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Arnold Yasin
First of all, listening by the stars, means eavesdropping.
Jinn are beings of smokeless fire. The meaning doesn't change throughout the Quran. They are the same as spirits, also found in other religions. In christianity they are known as "the watchers" or "nephilim" aswell, probably a term used by someone who didn't know them so well. In Buddhism there is a jinn called Mara, which equates to Iblis. The name changes according to the time, and whoever was the enemy of the reciever of gnosis at that time. My devil was "Tika." -
Peace bro "Arnold",
Whilst i agree with you most of the time here i can only agree to disagree for the time being. I agree however that "Jinn" means "hidden" just like "ins" means "sociable, one at tranquility etc(http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000150.pdf)". It is also derived from a root and means many things in general later adopted for a certain being. And so the Quran used it to indicate "human" which itself is a word with general meaning but has been used to define us beings. Neither "jinn" nor "insaan/nas" are proper nouns. They all have some meanings and are derived from certain roots whose meaning are general. So i dont see any problem. It all depends on how the Quran defines a term and IMO just as it has defined "nas/insaan" as specific beings so has it done with jinn/jaan. GOD Bless! -
salaam
so much has been said about them jinns, but how many has ever had an encounter/experience with them?
imho, surah jinn has the best explanation on them jinns. it may perhaps be that when we read the verses literally, we may initially find that some of the meaning (narratives, suggestions, explanations, etc.) may be 'out of this world' or strange or beyond comprehension. but please remember that Allah, the Compassionate Mercy is beyond human perceptions. still, insha-Allah he will make some of us understand the 'strange'.
a narrative will only be comprehended when it is experienced. otherwise, it will be just another empty talk, even Allah, the Compassionate Mercy. so, have patience with Allah please.
peace
joe
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And Joe, when there are far more simpler explanations, why should we then hold on to the more illogical ones?
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salaam arnold
you are right. you are right. you are right. but that's very much relative to you.
for us, Allah has the only and best explanations, for it is His knowledge, and He will make us understand insha-Allah accordingly. the problem with some people is that they thought they know better than the next person, and worst still they thought have a better explanation than Allah. subhan-Allah!
the whole issue is perhaps just about human attitude towards Allah the Compassionate Mercy. when say, Allah explained that x is such and such, most people with less understanding usually say that's ridiculous. another with a bit more understanding may say, yes that that is possible, and yet another with a better bit of understanding says, yes, it is right for Allah is never wrong.
some will attempt to explain (but subject to their mind's capabilities), some will attempt to add other sources (this is a very common phenomenon - the introduction od hadith), while some others will have full trust (haqq al-yaqeen) in Allah the Wise to teach them. basically, different people with different attitudes towards Allah the Lord of creations = different premises.
this is all about being muslim.
peace
joeAnd Joe, when there are far more simpler explanations, why should we then hold on to the more illogical ones?
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These are mental patients. You would be surprised how people can delude themselves. They make them believe themselves to be possessed and start acting it. Some get huge strength because they lost their mental block on their muscles. This is the same a person believing he is napoleon, a case of self-illusion. Sadly a superstitious surroundings will strenghten the person's illusion by really believing the person is possessed by jinns or ghosts.