The Divine Feminine?
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Peace be upon you,
God is above male and female, the manifester of both )
And we were created according to God's pattern, thats why we all have both testosterone and estrogen in our bodies.
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Peace bro Idolfree
Well i didn't mean genitalia at all like God is a man or a woman. I meant more so the characteristics of Allah that encompass the best and utopian qualities of both the feminine and masculine.
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Allah-u-Abha!
I believe as well that God is the possessor of all wonderful attributes, and transcends gender. I don't believe that there are any set of personality characteristics assigned merely for women and for men.
There are men who are nurturing, loving and sweet, and there are women who are valiant, fierce and strong. Different cultures in the world attest to this, and it is just one of the many colours that God Emself brought upon Eir Creation. D Thus, such Godly attributes are merely culturally assigned, but all were created by God Emself!
Although colloquially I may call God my Father or Mother (spiritually), Ey transcends these to the greatest extent to unknowability. But I know that Ey certainly would possess traits that are stereotypical to an earthly mother or father.
But in any case, God is my Loving Parent, and I know that Ey cares for me and watches over me with smiles when people and myself strive to do Eir Will, and concern and being upset when I delve into imperfections (things contrary to God's Will). As I feel that I myself feel that I transcend gender within, God transcends all and everything.
Much love,
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Peace All
Yea i'm starting to think this isn't Islamic.
I think i was just intrigued by the article because i never thought of the word rahman and its root meaning and what that all implies.
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Peace All
Yea i'm starting to think this isn't Islamic.
I think i was just intrigued by the article because i never thought of the word rahman and its root meaning and what that all implies.
Not only that, but it's also like putting limitations on God's All-Pervasiveness and as the All-Transcending.
To me anyways.
God bless!
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Peace be upon you Boost,
This is very "Islamic". The God creates acording to Its pattern..and the God creates in "PAIRS". There is male and female in all things...yin and yang if you will. Do not shy away from wisdom for fear it is not what others have talked about before.
The Divine feminine...how does one give birth and remain a virgin? Mental Creation!! Thats how ;D That which you put in your nafs(feminine)..your subconcious, you give birth to. You are what you think and imagine you are. Let God impregnate your spirit/nafs(feminine) and bring forth Its righteous character.
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PEace Bro Kyle
WOW Did you know you have really original thoughts regarding Islam and the Quran? I really wish you'd write a book because it is truly novel and amazing!
I have a question When you say God is above Its creation but creates according to Its pattern... does that mean that there is a feminine and masculine side to God or am i not getting it...
That article really did open my eyes that I had a perception of God as masculine albeit not an old man in the sky so to speak but just a masculine figure... I definitely thought that thinking of God with any feminine qualities would be a big blasphemy. It made me at least realize my wrong perceptions in what God is. I'm still working on whether this all means that God is both or whether it means that God is neither but created both.
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Peace Bro AlMarhom
no I'm not saying God is like a female or like a male. I'm saying God might be the epitome of feminine as well as masculine qualities. The most virtuous and the absolute of these. And in that sense, God encompasses both feminine and masculine.
This is what I'm thinking and nothing devitating from that. I'm just not sure if that specific statement would be considered right in Islam
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Peace sis "BOOST",
Peace Bro AlMarhom
no I'm not saying God is like a female or like a male. I'm saying God might be the epitome of feminine as well as masculine qualities. The most virtuous and the absolute of these. And in that sense, God encompasses both feminine and masculine.
This is what I'm thinking and nothing devitating from that. I'm just not sure if that specific statement would be considered right in Islam
JK- The problem with this is indeed limiting to GOD to male and female attributes as GOD also posesses qualities which NEITHER man nor woman posess. So the correct understanding is Hes everything combined and Hes also the controller of evolution which cannot be said of any other being in the entire universe. GOD Bless!
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Peace Bro Johnny
I think the issue people are misunderstanding me with is not that i'm talking about God in reference to "man or woman". God is not a person to be a man or a woman. Still, the God has so many attributes found in the verses of the quran. I am of the belief that they are virtues for us to try to attain in our own lives. Those attributes encompass the best of feminine and masculine attributes. So am I limiting God if I view the attributes as a mix of both feminine and masculine?
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Peace sis "BOOST"
Peace Bro Johnny
I think the issue people are misunderstanding me with is not that i'm talking about God in reference to "man or woman". God is not a person to be a man or a woman. Still, the God has so many attributes found in the verses of the quran. I am of the belief that they are virtues for us to try to attain in our own lives. Those attributes encompass the best of feminine and masculine attributes. So am I limiting God if I view the attributes as a mix of both feminine and masculine?
JK- Yep and thts exactly my pt, not as you think tht i beleive ur viewing GOD as a person but tht your implying tht GOD's attribute are a mix of only male and female thts it. If you would have said that human male and female have attributes which are PART of GOD's infinite attributes, then it wouldve been correct but each attribute we have GOD has the same on an infinite level also. This pt must also be noted. GOD Bless!
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Salaam Aleikum,
Allah is all good Attributes combined into One. We have those attributes according to our biological needs. So for Allah it is just having an attribute, to us it may look like attributes are more female or male, but in reality they are just more compatible to male or female biological functions.
We call certain attributes as 'male' or 'female', but these attributes existed before there were any creatures created, before there was any male or female. Certain attributes were given to male and female, as these were compatible to the biological setup and functions.
So to say these Attributes are male or female is like saying a plastic bottle defines raw oil. Oil is used to define plastic, not the other way around. Same holds for the Attributes, they define human biological differences, but the our biological differences do not define the Attributes.
Also very important is that the Attributes explain what He DOES, not what He IS.
Allah is Above all we claim Him to be.
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Hi Everyone,
I hope everyone has been well since the last time I posted.
One thing that sticks out to me is the automatic assumption that "man and woman" is the same as "male and female" which is the same as "masculine and feminine"; they're being used interchangeably. I'm not sure that man/male/masculine are interchangeable at all. The same goes for woman/female/feminine. They're related however..or at least that should be the goal )
When referring to the God being "Feminine", I don't think this can be described by gender (woman) or physical (female) attributes like "giving, nurturing, kind, etc". Perhaps, Masculine and Feminine are Divine attributes that exists within and well above the physical world that we live...
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Peace All
THank you all for explaining your views. I'm still confused and I'm gonna have to contemplate this more before I comment on the posts
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Peace,
as i understand
GOD ALMIGHTY is beyond the beyond!
But Divine feminin exists!DIVINE feminin is within human heart! It is the womb! Womb of innocence! It emits blue light from it! blue light is the symbol of virgin Mary! The symbol of innocence! That womb carries the higher SELF within us! that Womb opens when we are in prayer! naked and vunerable! when we pray with passion and with deep need the DIVINE Feminin gives birth to the higher SELF. One remembers that he/ she is more tha I me mine. One remembers his premordial pledge to WITNESS and LOVE.
we will talk morre
peace,
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Peace Y'all,
Well I haven't frequented these forums in a long time, seems like I take 5 month breaks between each post P, which invariably must rouse anger in those posters who reply to my topics and are left without a response. Please forgive me for that.My opinion on the matter, and remember this is just my opinion, is that god would have to encompass the divine feminine as well as the divine masculine, in the same way that god would have to encompass the divine toilet bowl, the divine torturer, and even the divine you and I. Before you jump the gun and get all pissed off about what I just said, let me explain. It would be limiting to say that god did not exist in all these things, and I'm sure we all believe that god is infinite and everywhere, therefore, unlimited. God being everywhere means just that, there is no place where god does not reside. Unfortunately, we do limit god when we say that god exists in this but not that, this is divine, this isn't. Moreover, I find it strange now to say that the Quran is the word of God, because if I take a look around isn't this entire universe the word of god? If not, can you point out which part isn't from god? I don't believe that there is some external being from us that contains these attributes, rather this being is part of us, and these attributes are manifested everywhere. Nevertheless, this is just my arrogant opinion.
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I don't believe that there is some external being from us that contains these attributes, rather this being is part of us,
peace peace,
One of the major problem of us humans is that we relate everthing to ourSELVES. We have an exploded collective ego.
And we fail to recognize that we are just a part of this creation which is NOT made for us. We are merely here to play our part. We have a meaning in relation to the WHOLE! This Whole had a meaning, function, purpose before creation of humans! and we have meaning as part of it! Hakim Sanai says AND DOES THE SUN EXISTS FOR THE COCK TO CROW AT?i appreciate your ideas of seeing the omnipresence of GOD everywhere. Yes face of GOD is everywhere.
When i look at somebody,s face, in reality i am looking at a bunch of tissues with a boney straucture. Yet the sight, motions and sounds coming out of that face reveals the consciousness behind it which i can not see! Itis not in the face, but it is revealed through the face! and the face can give full exposure of that person presence! The hidden manifests! we will talk more soon, at least if you come by more foten ;D
peace,