How Can A Muslim Marry A Christian?
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Peace,
The difference between Christians and the Jewish Nazareans
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Christians, being it uniterians or triniterians are called people of the Book, but also Kafiruun, the ones who bury the Truth for themselves.
Nazareans are Jewish followers of Jesus and are the real Nasara mentioned in the Quran.
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Christians and Unitarians are not the same thing. First of all to be a Christian you have to believe that there is only one God and that is God (Allah). You have to believe in the Holy Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and The Holy Spirit. Also that Jesus is God's son. That he died and rose again. If a person does not believe those things then they are not a Christian. A Unitarian does not believe in the Holy Trinity, so he would not be a Christian.
A Jehovah's witness is not a Christian. They do not believe in the Holy Trinity, or that Jesus is God's son.
Protestants do not believe in the Trinity, and yet they are considered Christians.
As for the marriage issue, I'd rather marry a nice Christian lady and try to convert her into God Alone belief, then marry a Sunni or a Shia.
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Peace,
Sorry Pazuzu, but which protestants are you talking about? With all protestant churches i have always come across trinity...
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Arnold is right - every methodist, presbytrian, and baptist church I have ever been in all preach the Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
All Christians believe in the Trinity unless they are an obscure sect.
I'm not sure about the amish and the quakers, though.
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Peace
I believe the Protestants believe in the Trinity, but they do not recognize the authority of tradition I suppose. One of their doctrines is sola scriptura, sort of like quran alone.
There are Christians who do not believe in the Trinity, like the JW's, Unitarians, and Bible Students associated with Charles T. Russell. I enjoy the teachings of the Bible Students.
How does the quran define idol-worship?
Joe
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I'm 99.99% certain that the Evangelists ( Protestant division ) do NOT believe in the trinity. They are basically Bible-only Christians, who believe anything extra-Biblical is not from God. ( Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible ). THe Evangelists are usually a bit extremist and will go as far as to accuse the Catholics of being idol-worshippers, and innovators who bow down before paintings and statues . I remember one of my classmates back in Lebanon , during my High-school days, was an Protestant Evangelist. She invited me once to visit one of their churches. I noticed the absence of any statues, paintings or images of Christ and other such things. ( She said the Catholics made those up ). All they had was plain wooden crosses ( no figure of Christ on them ). Also, their priests do not believe in "Vow of Chastity ". They can marry and have children normally.
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peace
As far as I know, protestants do believe in trinity.
It all started with the Reformation during the 15 century with Martin Luther. The statues and fancy rituals and music was seen as distractions. The church was supposed to be about the word of God only. There were some progressive, modern thoughts that emerged during that time. Like people should have a choice of whether they join the church or not. Women were given a few more rights. People were supposed to think for themselves, and didn't need an institution to get them there. But, these were only thoughts, and the majority didn't care for them. It was the protestants who were responsible for the witch hunts. And, although I'm not 100% sure, they kept Trinity.
They got rid of the extra fat in their religion, but it's still there in their heads.
And people believe what they want to believe. It doesn't matter a bit that the bible doesn't mention trinity (if that is the case). -
alslam alikom (peace be upon u all)
for the question "how does the kurran define idol worship"
the idols (statues , painting) are forbidden in Islam , even it was for the prophet himself , knowing that he's not the god. this bcuz how the statues worshiping starts , we all know that all humans are from Adam , Adam was a unitarian so was his children and his grand children , the kurran teaches us that Adam was a prophet himself , so they all know god and worship him , but in the next generations (all worshiping god ) there were six men very faithful and others look up to them , they appreciated them so much and when they die they decided to make statues for them so they can remember how great they were and to stay on their path , any way long after they built these statues ppl forgot what they were for , that's were the devil interfere and told them these statues are gods you fathers use to worship , then the statues worshiping starts. that's why there is no statue or painting for the prophet Mohamed.
Islam refuse statues and kurran describe ppl who worship them as (kafiroun) disbelievers ,and i mean worshiping (like saying this is my god stands there ..etc) not as a symbol like in churches , i understand they don't worship the statues itself this is another thing.
and about the main question how can a Muslim marry a christen ,(i think) that it's allowed for a man to marry from ppl of the book (christens and jews) without classifying whether they were unitarians or not , as a prove of that when the Kurran describe the christens believes about jesus (eisa) being the god or the son of god the kurran refer to them as christens (ppl of the book) so they are included not just unitarians (again that's my opinion i'm not qualified to judge in this , ask a (mufte) there are many sites and many islamic center u can ask in if u really want the answer)
at the end i must say sorry i wrote too much , that's bcuz my English is really bad ;D i hope u understand what i mean
thank u for ur time
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Christians and Unitarians are not the same thing. First of all to be a Christian you have to believe that there is only one God and that is God (Allah). You have to believe in the Holy Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and The Holy Spirit. Also that Jesus is God's son. That he died and rose again. If a person does not believe those things then they are not a Christian. A Unitarian does not believe in the Holy Trinity, so he would not be a Christian.
A Jehovah's witness is not a Christian. They do not believe in the Holy Trinity, or that Jesus is God's son.
To me it sounds like you are operating under "The Church's" definition of what a Christian is. My understanding of the meaning "Christian" is, one who attempts to be "Christ-like". Therefore, if in pursuit of learning the truth about Jesus, one's understanding of the Gospel's leads them to reject the Trinity, this does not make them any less of a Christian. In my opinion it makes them closer to being Christ-like. Calling Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. non-Christians because of there rejection of the Trinitarian concept parallels calling persons who reject Hadith being viewed as non-Muslims because they do not follow mainstream Muslim doctrine.
Brian
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Yeah however even without making any form of image of Muhammad Sunnis and Shiahs are already idolizing him anyway. So what is the point of forbidding the portraying him? Besides, in Al Quran God is the only one who can not be made an image of.
the idea that maybe one day ppl will get loss and worship these statues and images like the ppl in my story , well that's all in my opinion but i say it bcuz there isn't any picture of Mohamed (peace be upon him) and it's forbidden to show his face in any movie ..etc , i'm not sure that's the point tho
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And here I will probably get in deep trouble with other Catholics that may scan this sight, but, based on my understanding, here's how things lie in my head
Jesus is the product of a miraculous creation. (Not that all life isn't miraculous) That is, he didn't come about in the usual way. God COULD have simply said "Be" and he would be, a full grown man right where God wanted him to be. Instead, God chose to give him a mother, a birth and a childhood. As we do refer to Mary (Maryam) as Jesus's mother, we can only logically draw that half of who Jesus is came from her (though yes I know in the end all comes from God). Mind you we have no confirmation on that at all. Did Mary genetically contribute to Jesus, or was she basically carrying around the package? It's a question that hasn't specifically been answered, but in light of two faiths professing her to be his mother, we make that leap. If half of what made Jesus is Mary, then the other half is....what exactly? God's will. So for practical intents and purposes, if Jesus has a mother, then he has a father in God. PRACTICAL..not so much literal. No one is implying that Jesus came about in the usual way.
The point made in the Qu'ran is that many Christians take Christ out of context. He is, in their eyes, held equal to God, which, is probably not a good idea. Now this isn't cause to diminish him or his role in history and faith. He IS the Messiah, that much is covered in the Qu'ran as well. But he is not, nor should he ever be placed on equal footing with God. In the original Trinitarian concept he is not.
The Trinitarian explanation commonly accepted is that of St. Patrick, who explained the Trinity using a Shamrock (a wildflower characterized by stems supporting three independent leaves joined at their bases). He pointed to the leaf in the center, sitting tall and straight and said "When you think of the relationship of Jesus to God and the Holy Spirit, think of it like this shamrock. Three leaves, independent. This one at the top is God, and the other two are Jesus and the Holy Spirit." All part of the same plant the Will of God, but holding independent places in history and teaching. And the other two always inferior to the first. Many Christians do forget that last part.
Jesus's conception, birth, life and death are all miraculous.. no matter whether you believe in the Qu'ran or the Bible. He was divinely conceived, born under miraculous circumstances, lived to teach a faith growing corrupt and dark in itself to look for the light, and his death...well, the Christian version (Crucifixtion, Resurrection, Ascension) speaks for itself...but don't you think the Qu'ranic version holds a bit of miracle to it as well? For God to prtect Jesus and invoke his ascension while allowing the populous to believe he had been killed (Which ever version of that, the traditional or the Ahmed Deedat version you believe) is some pretty outstanding stuff.
I'm not proselytyzing here, I'm trying more to open up a degree of understanding for the reverence Christians hold for Christ. Too often I see Muslims degrading people of other faiths, instead of being respectful of them. And Far Far too often I see Muslims decry Judaism and Christianity without ever having read the Bible or the Torah and Talmud.
Can a marriage work between a Christian and a Muslim? I don't know yet. But so far so good. It's a LOT of work, and a lot of maintaining the core values of our faiths Love, respect, kindness, mercy.
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Though Christians are definitely mushrikeen, they are a special category of mushrikeen idolators which Muslim men are allowed to marry, because their idolatry is not that severe and therefore their likelihood of embracing Islam is greater than an average idolator like a hindu, zoroastrian, etc.
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Though Christians are definitely mushrikeen, they are a special category of mushrikeen idolators which Muslim men are allowed to marry, because their idolatry is not that severe and therefore their likelihood of embracing Islam is greater than an average idolator like a hindu, zoroastrian, etc.
Actually, no, they (who do it) are continuously condemned for upholding Jesus as a son of an omnipotent God, and Allat or some other. So no, it isn't "lesser idolatry".
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they are a special category of mushrikeen idolators which Muslim men are allowed to marry, because their idolatry is not that severe and therefore their likelihood of embracing Islam is greater than an average idolator like a hindu, zoroastrian, etc.
Maybe mushrikeen should have a color code, like terror threat levels in the U.S. -
Peace
Though Christians are definitely mushrikeen, they are a special category of mushrikeen idolators which Muslim men are allowed to marry, because their idolatry is not that severe and therefore their likelihood of embracing Islam is greater than an average idolator like a hindu, zoroastrian, etc.
Christians that worship Jesus arent Christian and it is stated so in the Quran of those that worship Jesus and Mary. They reject the truth and are idolaters. Mushrikeen is mushrikeen.
Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
5116 GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.
5117 "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.
1937 And yet, the sects are at variance among themselves Woe, then, unto all who deny the truth when that awesome Day will appear!
4365 But factions from among those began to hold divergent views woe, then, unto those who are bent on evildoing - for the suffering on a grie?vous Day!
Peace
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amuslim the translation you are using is very faulty. 517 does not say pagans (mushrikeen) it says disbelievers
They indeed have disbelieved who say Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. (517)
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Peace Yusha
amuslim the translation you are using is very faulty. 517 does not say pagans (mushrikeen) it says disbelievers
They indeed have disbelieved who say Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. (517)
A pagan is a disbeliever, it can mean that or a polythiest. I actually look at other translations before I post one and most just said disbeliever except for this one. I figure that since the ayat is speaking of those that mention partners with God, Pagan would be the best translation of Kafar.
Again, these are not Christians.
Peace