A topic for those who study Classical Arabic
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Hi Samia,
Thanks again for explaining -)
The reason nothing turns up for diptode is because it is actually diptote. I bought the book by Wheeler M. Thackston and he too explains it quite well.
I know think it is wrong that you should have to vocalize your arabic just for me when true arabic is written without, so I'm glad that Mr. Thackston teaches arabic non-vocalized. So now I can read certain words unvocalized by looking at the composition of the sentence and recognizing the role of the word in the sentence and vocalizing accordingly. A bit slow, but better than nothing.
Anyways, I was thinking about arabic and its pattern system, and I've come up with a theory which I haven't gotten confirmed yet.
It all started with my own name Nadeem. How does one pronounce it? I've found out that if it is pronounced N?dim, then it means "drinker"(idiom for drinking companion), however if the long-wowel is shifted to the i "Nad?m", then it becomes "Friend".
The first describes what i do or how i do it, whilst the second describes what or how I am. Is this true for ALL with words with this pattern?
Let's take some examples
H?kim => 'Judges' => To judge => an act a person does
Hak?m => 'Wise' => To be wise => a state a person is inQ?bilun => 'One who accepts' => To accept => an act a person does
Qab?lun => 'Face to face' => To be face to face with => a state a person is inR?ziq => 'Provider' => To provide => an act a person does
Razz?q => 'great provider' => To be great provider => a state a person is inThe rule seems to be that if the long vowel is at the first vowel of the word, then the word describes the persons action-wise, if the longvowel is the second and the last, then the word describes a person state-wise.
Am I correct?
Nadeem
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Hi Brother Maxq,
Thanks for the suggestions, but I think 'Raheem' also describes a state. One cannot say "To Beneficient/Merciful" as with verbs, rather one says "To be Beneficient/Merciful" as with adjectives.
But again, thanks, the pattern is further confirmed Both words are descriptive of the state and both have long second vowels.
Here are some more
First vowel long, second vowel short
Kaafir = Rejector = An act
Kaatib = Writer = An act
Qaatil = Killer = An act
Dzaalim = Wrongdoer = an act
Maalik = Owner = an act (to own)First vowel short, second vowel long
Hisaan = Beautiful ones = A state
Kariim = Noble, generous = A state
Kabiir = Big, old = A state
Aziim = Great = a state
Saliim = safe, secure = stateNadeem
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Dear nadeem,
I have studied my three years of primary school in saudi arabia, makkah. I know fair not fluent classical arabic and i am in the process of constantly learning it. I have found a very good website about classical arabic of quran on the internet. Go to the links below
http//www.emuslim.com
http//www.emuslim.com/Quran/Dictionary_English.asp
They are attempting to explain the methodology of quran's translation techniques into any language. They are making scholarly research on arabic of quranic terms.
I hope that you will find this website helpful.Peace
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peace
i have a question for those who study classical arabic
4112 And He it is Who ordained that they become seven Heavens in two stages and assigned to each heaven its function. And We decorated the sky of the world with shining lamps, and made them secure (that they clash not in their orbits 419). That is the Design of the Almighty, the Knower.
4112 Thus, He then made them into seven universes in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. And We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable
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So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.which one is it? sky of the world? lowest universe? or lower heaven?
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Hi Samia,
The first describes what i do or how i do it, whilst the second describes what or how I am. Is this true for ALL with words with this pattern?
Let's take some examples
H?kim => 'Judges' => To judge => an act a person does
Hak?m => 'Wise' => To be wise => a state a person is inQ?bilun => 'One who accepts' => To accept => an act a person does
Qab?lun => 'Face to face' => To be face to face with => a state a person is inR?ziq => 'Provider' => To provide => an act a person does
Razz?q => 'great provider' => To be great provider => a state a person is inThe rule seems to be that if the long vowel is at the first vowel of the word, then the word describes the persons action-wise, if the longvowel is the second and the last, then the word describes a person state-wise.
Am I correct?
Nadeem
Sorry for the belated reply!
Yes, you are. We speak of "patterns" faa3il (action-wise, doer) and fa3eei (state-wise, adjective)
To add to Nadeem's list...
Raheem => 'Beneficient/Merciful' => an act a someone does
Rahmaan => 'Source of Benefit/Mercy' => a state someone is inIs this correct too?
They do not follow the pattern.
raheem fa3eel state-wise
rahmaan fa3laan another pattern for state-wise (example farhaan happy, 3atshaan thirsty) This pattern is more intense than fa3eel.Peace everyone,
?????? ?????
My book says that the above means "For the believers of the earth". However, I don't see why this couldn't also mean "For the two believers of the earth".
Can someone explain?
Nadeem
It could also mean "for the two...." if we diregard the vocalization "tashkeel". mu'mineen/mu'minee plural; mu'minayn/mu'minay dual.
peace
i have a question for those who study classical arabic
4112 And He it is Who ordained that they become seven Heavens in two stages and assigned to each heaven its function. And We decorated the sky of the world with shining lamps, and made them secure (that they clash not in their orbits 419). That is the Design of the Almighty, the Knower.
4112 Thus, He then made them into seven universes in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. And We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable
4112
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.which one is it? sky of the world? lowest universe? or lower heaven?
I would say the lowest/nearest heaven/sky/
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Peace Sister Samia,
Sorry for the belated reply!
Oh, not to worry. Quite frankly I'm grateful that you even bother and that you find it worthy to help me out. You rock! bravo
Yes, you are. We speak of "patterns" faa3il (action-wise, doer) and fa3eei (state-wise, adjective)
Cool. Almost feel like a grammarian -)
It could also mean "for the two...." if we diregard the vocalization "tashkeel". mu'mineen/mu'minee plural; mu'minayn/mu'minay dual.
Let me see if I understood you correctly. Without a kasra or fatha on the , we can't say for sure if its dual or plural?
Feel free to use this arabic-typing tool if needed http//www.indiana.edu/~arabic/typing_arabic.htm
Nadeem
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Thanks for the kind words!
I do not mean case ending, but inter-word vocalization.
I am using a mac. Not Arabic enabled because it has office 2004. The link you sent does not have short vowels, but great, thanks!!
I will explain where, and what short vowels in both words
mu'minain/m'uminai dual (fatha on the first nuun and sukuun on the ya)
mu'mineen/mu'minee plural (kasra under the first nuun and the ya)There is no difference consonant-wise
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I am using a mac. Not Arabic enabled because it has office 2004. The link you sent does not have short vowels, but great, thanks!!
No more excuses with Neooffice! I am using it with my ibBook for arabic wonderful!
Mac OS X is natively arabic enabled (textedit is a good alternative but Neooffice is so powerful!) And forget about Office 2004
You can download it here http//www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/
To write arabic, just change the flag in the right corner to the green crescent, choose an arabic font (I like Baghdad and Decotype Naskh) , change the direction of the text and you can go on!
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Peace,
The following sentence is found in 6145. is in accusative.
My question is what does the term describe? Is it the swine as a whole, or its flesh?
My reasoning is that it is describing the meat, and not pig as a whole, since is the subject of the sentence.
Nadeem
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Peace,
The following sentence ??? ????? ???? ??? is found in 6145. ??? is in accusative.
My question is what does the term ??? describe? Is it the swine as a whole, or its flesh?
My reasoning is that it is describing the meat, and not pig as a whole, since ??? is the subject of the sentence.
Nadeem
Grammatically, it could be describing either word.
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That's cool! Do you know if the same functionality is in OpenOffice? I am not a java fan ... nope
For now I use SC Unipad ... while the free version has time limitations per session, it can be used indefinitely and I confirmed from their account manager and got permission to use it indefinitely as such. The good thing is, I can use it for Arabic, Urdu as well as Sindhi yes
No more excuses with Neooffice! I am using it with my ibBook for arabic wonderful!
Mac OS X is natively arabic enabled (textedit is a good alternative but Neooffice is so powerful!) And forget about Office 2004
You can download it here http//www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/
To write arabic, just change the flag in the right corner to the green crescent, choose an arabic font (I like Baghdad and Decotype Naskh) , change the direction of the text and you can go on!
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Peace Samia,
Why is that?
Nadeem
My reply is based on the sentence you presented if taken out of context. But if we consider the whole verse, and put the sentence in its context, the word "impure" describes all the prohibited food mentioned before it, including swinemeat, so it will be for meat, not swine, because swine-meat will be considered one word a kind of meat.
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Peace Samia,
Thanks -)
If you could tell briefly about the grammar involved here, I'd be grateful.
Nadeem
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Just the sentenc
The sentence is an equational one with a subject (which is the prefixed pronoun in ; and the predicate is ). rijs is masculine singular because the subject (the pronoun) is, too. The pronoun refers to a noun which should be also ms. We have two nouns which are both ms ,so rijs could refer to either. -
Sentence in context "I do not find......anything forbidden to be eaten unless it is dead animal, blood or swine meat, as this is impure". Here, ( as this is)refers to anything forbidden. The "swine-meat" is a compound unit treated as one word since it is neither a subject in an equational sentence, nor is it followed by a direct adjective.
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Thanks Samia,
As foretold; I'm quite grateful -)
And as expected, another riddle The particle 'Inna'. From what I see, everything following the particle Inna becomes accusative (what is the Arabic term btw?), except from those words who are second members of a construct; those who are directly preceded by a preposition, and those adjectives linked to non-accusative words.
True?
And, when exactly does one use this sentence-head particle?
From what I see, they are only employed in equational sentences. True?
Nadeem
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Salaam Nadeem
You're welcome!
Accusative manSuub
inna/anna are the same particle
It is inna when not preceded by ANY thing, even a letter, untranslatable. The only word that can precede it is the verb "qaala to say", and in this case it means "that" as in (he says that..).
It is alaways followed by a noun in the accusative, known as (its noun the noun of inna). And yes, usually starts an equational sentence, but not exclusively.
or anna (also known as sister of inna), same action, but is not used at the beginning of the sentence, and usually means "that" as in (I know that ...)
What do you mean by an adjective linked to non accusative words?
An adjective conforms with the noun it describes, so it does not have a rule of its own. The rule affects only the noun being described, and the adjective follows.
Sometimes the noun of inna in an equational sentence comes at the end of the sentence when it is indefinite and the predicate is a prepositional phraseinna 3ala almaktabi kitaaban There's a book on the desk.
When a sentence starts with a pronoun, it is good style to suffix the pronoun to "inna" instead of leaving it free innahu mudarres he is a teacher (the suffixed pronoun is the "noun of inna"