Why do we have to believe in God to enter paradise?
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As far as I know the requirements to enter paradise in that one has to follow the system. And what is the system? It is belief in God, belief in the Hereafter, and righteous life. So if you doubt God and the Hereafter but leading a righteous life Im sure the almighty and merciful God will still take it into account in His judgement.
Remember in Al Quran God informs us
1.When the Earth rumbles and shakes.
2.And the Earth brings out its mass.
3.And man will Say What is wrong with her?
4.On that Day it will inform its news.
5.That your Lord had inspired her to do so.
6.On that Day, the people will be brought out in throngs to be shown their works.
7.So whoever does an atoms weight of good will see it.
8.And whoever does an atoms weight of evil will see it.(Al Quran Chapter 99)
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Islam is the only religion acceptable to Allah If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (385)
So I'm going to hell?
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So I'm going to hell?
Are you not a Muslim?
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"Whoever said "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a barley grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a wheat grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of an atom will be taken out of Hell." (sahih bukhari, kitabul imaan)
Salam Yusha. There are hundred/thousands of Qur'anic verses that is consistent about this matter but you prefer to quote a Hadith. This Hadith portray God as unjust and make a person born Muslim as lucky because they claim even if they commit adultery or kill somebody they will enter paradise because they are muslim. This is fallacy. God is Just!
If you claim you are a muslim and you kill somebody and did not repent you will go to Hell.
493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.
The Hypocrite (claim they are muslim) have a slight believe in their heart but they are promised hell!
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say "We bear witness that you are the messenger of God." And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
9101 And from the Nomad around you are hypocrites, as well as from the city people, they persist in hypocrisy. You do not know them, but We know them. We will punish them twice, then they will be returned to a great punishment.
5713 On that Day, the hypocrite men and women will say to those who believed "Wait for us! Let us absorb some of your light." It will be said "Go back behind you, and seek light." So a barrier will be put forth between them, whose gate separates mercy on the inner side, from retribution on the outer side.
5714 They will call upon them "Were we not with you?" They will reply "Yes, but you led yourselves into temptation, and you hesitated, and doubted, and became misled by wishful thinking, until God's judgment came. You were diverted from God by arrogance."
5715 "This Day, no ransom can be taken from you, nor from those who disbelieved. Your abode is the Fire, it is your patron; what a miserable abode."
Conclusion Being a born muslim or self-proclaim muslim or Islam is not a ticket to paradise, but the truth is
2;62 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Christian, and the Sabians, whomever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good work; they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
Thanks.
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Are you not a Muslim?
He's Christian.
I stopped worrying about where we're all going after we die when I understand that all deeds will be given just retribution in the afterlife. Since none of us are perfect, then everyone IMO will get a taste of heaven and hell. We get the whole package > angel
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Conclusion Being a born muslim or self-proclaim muslim or Islam is not a ticket to paradise, but the truth is
I agree.
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I stopped worrying about where we're all going after we die when I understand that all deeds will be given just retribution in the afterlife. Since none of us are perfect, then everyone IMO will get a taste of heaven and hell. We get the whole package >D angel
Whole package, how exactly does that happen? Is like that everyone will see hell for the amount of time equal to their sins? I think that it could be possible that hell is more of a temporary prison than an eternal nightmare its been sterotyped to look like.
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Conclusion Being a born muslim or self-proclaim muslim or Islam is not a ticket to paradise, but the truth is
I guess this settles the other issue too, then.
I think that there are two steps to "salvation."
- we have to be in control of our self. (be at peace)
- believe in the truth.
The second step is just as important as the first one because even if we are in control of ourself, we can take ourselves in the wrong direction.
and Philosopher, judging by your posts, you are much more "muslim" than a lot of other people here.
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Whole package, how exactly does that happen? Is like that everyone will see hell for the amount of time equal to their sins? I think that it could be possible that hell is more of a temporary prison than an eternal nightmare its been sterotyped to look like.
Yes, I believe that it would work that way. People go to hell to be cleansed of their sins first then they get to heaven (or vice versa, according to their deeds balance). This comes from what my religious teacher taught me when I was a kid (and I always suspected that he's some kind of a Qur'an-only person), and I still believe it.
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and Philosopher, judging by your posts, you are much more "muslim" than a lot of other people here.
Never in a thousand years would I have ever expected to hear this. Thank you angel
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Peace,
My understanding of this all is that it has to do with Reality. The existence of God is a Reality, when you deny this, you cannot grasp Reality in its fullest and thus cannot develop yourself to the fullest. Jahannam is explained metaphorical and has 2 sides, an Earthly Hell and a Afterlife Hell. Jaheem is mostly translated as Fire, but it has many more sides to it. Its definition mostly refers to a point were progress is halted. It was used for restraints on camels and dogs to stop them from biting or barking , it refered to the point of retreat in battle.
Jahannam itself comes from a valley near Jerusalem that was first used as a human-sacrifice ground to idols, then as an execution-ground for criminals, people were dumped there who didn't had the right to be buried on sacred grounds. And in the times of Jesus, it was mostly a place were garbage was dumped. To keep the stench in control, fires were burned constantly. All of this gives the definition that Jahannam stands for all that society must not endure. When you went to the valley of Jahannam, you mostly did not return. It was a place were no further progress was possible.
Jannah itself means 'Garden in Foilage', again you have 2 Paradises, one we create here ourselves, and the Next we inherit because of our deeds and development in this Life.
In 2441 it stated that every object and creature knows it Salat to do its Tasbeeh. Tasbeeh means striving on a quest/mission. Every animals follows its instinct to achieve its purpose of existence. So Salat, which in its core means 'following closely', refers to the Following of the Divine Laws in Revelationa nd Nature. As we do not have a dominant instinct and to sustain Free Will, God gave us an 'outside' Instinct, Revelation. It is a Guide to learn us how to strive in the best to fullfil our Mission/purpose in Life.
Our Nafs/Self only develops through the Divine Laws. Throughout the Quran it is reffered to that the followers of Revelation will attain Jannah. When a person denies Revelation or even God, the person can only grasp certain parts of Reality, but not the full picture. The West follows the Divine Laws of Nature in a very good way, and so they have partially created an Earthly Paradise. But because their concept of God and the purpose of Life is not based on the pure Revelation, the Quran, the West lacks further progress and even is stagnating into a fall of society, where sexual moral and criminal behaviour have shifted to a dangerous form. God warns already that every other Deen, System of life, will fall into Jahannam, into a State of no progress.
Many countries in the world, especially Muslim countries and many South-American and African countries do not follow the Laws of Nature or of Revelation. Because of this, they are stuck in a state of despair. The people are in a constant struggle for existence and thus cannot develop. Again, an Earthly Jahannam. They do not die or live in this state.
But God says also that every person will be judged according to its possibilities. God has no personal merits, He has no grudge or anger towards people who do not accept Him. When people deny Him or His Revelation, they will fall into their own self-made Jahannam. And because they cannot develop themselves as they are in a state of denial, , in the Next Life, they will be again in a State of Stagnation, not living or dying, stuck in their regret because they are exposed to the Truth.
Heaven and Hell are states of existence we create by denying or accepting God's Guidance. He doesn't throw us into Hell, we do it ourselves. It is not that He is jealous or angry, He is above all that we think He is.
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peace
i've read many times in the qur'an that believers who do good will go to paradise. as it should be.
how could someone who doesn't believe in God go to paradise just because he does good works?
God gives him air and food and shelter and everything else and he doesn't even bother to thank God even think about Him, he takes it for granted.
and just because he does some good deeds he's supposed to enjoy himself after death even though he doesn't believe he will exist after death. -
Yes, I believe that it would work that way. People go to hell to be cleansed of their sins first then they get to heaven (or vice versa, according to their deeds balance). This comes from what my religious teacher taught me when I was a kid (and I always suspected that he's some kind of a Qur'an-only person), and I still believe it.
Andya Primanda, that was a famous hearsay circulated among sunni especially around South East Asia. It has no basis in the Qur'an.
228 And amongst them are Gentiles who do not know the Scripture except by hearsay, and they only conjecture.
279 So woe to those who write the Scripture with their hands then say "This is from God," so that they can seek a cheap gain! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.
280 And they said "The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days." Say "Have you taken a pledge with God? If so, then God will not break His pledge. Or do you say about God what you do not know?"
281 Indeed, whoever gains a sin, and is surrounded by his mistakes; those are the people of the Fire, in it they abide eternally.
282 And those who believe and do good work, they are the people of Paradise, in it they abide eternally.
The Mu'tazili 4th tenets Al-Manzilah bayna al-Manzilatayn - the intermediate position, is a correct understanding in this matter and supported by the Qur'an.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%27taziliThat is, Muslims who commit grave sins and die without repentance are not considered as mu'mins (believers), nor are they considered kafirs (non-believers), but in an intermediate position between the two. The reason behind this is that a mu'min is, by definition, a person who has faith and conviction in and about God, and who has his/her faith reflected in his/her deeds and moral choices. Any shortcoming on any of these two fronts makes one, by definition, not a mu'min. On the other hand, one does not become a non-believer, for this entails, inter alia, denying the Creator ? something not necessarily done by a committer of a grave sin. The fate of those who commit grave sins and die without repentance is Hell. Hell is not considered a monolithic state of affairs but as encompassing many degrees to accommodate the wide spectrum of human works and choices. Consequently, those in the intermediate position, though in Hell, would have a lesser punishment because of their belief and other good deeds.
744 And the dwellers of Paradise called the dwellers of the Fire "We have found what our Lord promised us to be true; did you find what your Lord promised to be true?" They said "Indeed!" Then a caller announced between them "God's curse is on the wicked."
745 "The ones who hinder from the path of God, and sought to make it crooked; and with regard to the Hereafter they were rejecters."
746 And between them is a barrier, and on the elevated platform are men who recognized others by their features. And they called out to the dwellers of Paradise "Peace be upon you!" They have not yet entered it, but they are hoping.
747 And when their eyes are turned towards the dwellers of the Fire, they say "Our Lord, do not make us with the wicked people!"
748 And the people standing on the elevated platform called on men they recognized by their features, they said "What good did your large number do for you, or what you were arrogant for?"
749 Weren't these the ones whom you swore God would not grant them of His mercy? "Enter Paradise, there is no fear for you nor will you grieve."
750 And the dwellers of the Fire called on the dwellers of Paradise "Give us some water, or what God has provided for you?" They said "God has forbidden it for the rejecters."
751 The ones who took their religion as amusement and games, and were preoccupied with this worldly life. Today We forget them as they forgot their meeting on this Day, and they did not heed Our revelations.
Look, previous Mu'tazili scholar has solved all this problem about the oneness of God, existence of evil and justice, predestination and freewill, promise and threat, heaven, hell and intermediate a long time ago. It was during this time that Muslim experience the Golden Age, God help them because they follow the Qur'an and use their reason. But somehow, the mu'taziliti is then considered heretic when a new school of thought that favor hadith and tradition arise and spread.
I consider myself a neo-mu'tazili. Anyone here interested to join me? D
Thanks.
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In a way, I don't believe you have to believe in anything to get into heaven. The only requirement for heaven is to be good and do good things. So belief doesn't really matter, its just a guide line to be good. The basic reason for all religion is to guide people to act better towards others. So, your right.
Salam.
So, only do good things and be good and if you "accidentaly" steal a little cuz you're unemployed or something like that, is that okay? I mean, should i steal, if i don't have a job and will that still get me into Heaven cuz i'm a believer?
Define what you said here, Lost Philosopher.
Peace.
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Lets say that someone from ancient china, believed in all the ancient chinese gods and was an almost sinless person, never hurt anyone, gave money to the poor often, and was respectful to everyone he met. He accidentally falls of a cliff and dies. Does he go to hell, just because he didn't believe in the one true god?
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Lets say that someone from ancient china, believed in all the ancient chinese gods and was an almost sinless person, never hurt anyone, gave money to the poor often, and was respectful to everyone he met. He accidentally falls of a cliff and dies. Does he go to hell, just because he didn't believe in the one true god?
Salam.
This person, from whom or what did he or she get the orders to do good? I mean, who or what told her or him to be good, not hurt anyone, give charity and so on? GOD or gods?
Whatever the answer, someone will ask him for a proof atheist will ask for the proof of The GOD, just like i will ask him for the proof of the gods.
Peace.
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- The example of those who reject their Lord is that their works are like ashes, on which the wind blows strongly on a stormy day, they cannot get anything of what they earned. Such is the farthest misguidance.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11395.msg75932#msg75932
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As Salaamu Alaikum,
Lets say that someone from ancient china, believed in all the ancient chinese gods and was an almost sinless person, never hurt anyone, gave money to the poor often, and was respectful to everyone he met. He accidentally falls of a cliff and dies. Does he go to hell, just because he didn't believe in the one true god?
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Transliteration Wa-ith akhatha rabbuka min banee adama min thuhoorihim thurriyyatahum waashhadahum AAala anfusihim alastu birabbikum qaloo bala shahidna an taqooloo yawma alqiyamati inna kunna AAan hatha ghafileena
Literal And when/if your Lord took/received from Adam's sons and daughters from their backs their descendants, and He made them witness/testify on themselves. "Am I not your Lord (E)?" They said "Yes/certainly, We witnessed/testified." That You say (on) the Resurrection Day "That We were about this ignoring/disregarding ."
Free-Minds And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.{173}
Transliteration Aw taqooloo innama ashraka abaona min qablu wakunna thurriyyatan min baAAdihim afatuhlikuna bima faAAala almubtiloona
Literal Or you say "But our fathers shared/made partners (with God) from before, and we were descendants from after them, do you perish us/destroy us because (of) what the wasters/cancellors made/did ?"
Free-Minds Nor can you Say "It was our fathers who set up partners before and we were simply a progeny who came after them. Would You destroy us for what the innovators did?"{174}
Transliteration Wakathalika nufassilu al-ayati walaAAallahum yarjiAAoona
Literal And as/like that We detail/explain the evidences/verses , and maybe/perhaps they return.
Free-Minds It is such that We explain the revelations, perhaps they will revert.Hope this helps in answering the question, insha Allah.
As Salaamu Alaikum peace