Arnold trying to produce a new Miracle?
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"before i have a discussion with you i need to crap on you"
haha oops, am i supposed to watch how i interact with other human beings and not put words in people's mouths?
nobody is required to agree with everything arnold says but at least come up with some better argument than that he is trying to produce a new "miracle"
to say that he already made up his mind that there are no miracles is odd considering how many people are so unwilling to even consider anything other than some sort of super miracle for the stories we read
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Rajah wrote
Well You believe in One God and I believe in the Same GOD ALLAH, we have the same book, only our way of thinking may be different so let it be informative (the discussion) without attacking each other personally.But Arnold flying very high on the sky responded with this
ArnoldI will not engage a discussion with a person who doesn't even take the time to research before making a judgement, as the discussion will not be fruitful. The title of the thread is already an accusation and not really a question.
Judgement? Did i make any judgement I asked you simply three questions? you call questions a Judgement Ah! but i forgot you know a lot.
Title of the thread as far as I can read it says "Arnold trying to produce a new Miracle?" and the question mark at the end makes it a Question and not a statement and that is what we were going to find out, but you backed up. No problem that often happens when logic doesnot work insults do.and he also responded with this
Isn't a bit arrogant already to judge my style of research before really reading my work? I have given my arguments in the threads and my writings, if that is not enough for you, then that is not my problem but yours
So if I am wrong then it means that you think the Miracles mentioned in Quran are real? so what is what? may be you need not to answer as I see you have some good loyals over here, may be they will answer.
Arnold
The discussion on interpretation of these stories will certainly be engaged further in the future, but on fruitful grounds and not on these.
Ok this sums it up, "FRUITFUL" so any thing which doesnot go your side should not be discussed, is this what you mean to say?
Well I was expecting a healthy discussion but since you backed up and attacked me personally, and gave prove of your non maturity, It ends the session from my side too.
But remember the worst way to read or understand Quran is by word to word translation, without knowing the history, the events of the time when these stories occurred.
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Salam.
Raj-ah, please, don't attack anyone here, especially Arnold, he's very good friend of mine and the most intelligent. I find all his articles smart and educational so before you say this or that about him, please, read his work 10 times before you say anything about him, okay? No hard feelings?
Peace.
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Hamza
First asking for clarification...
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Before we start our discussion in detail I need clarification of some points
then making a judgment.
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- Before writing articles or translating Quran as you think it is, YOU have decided it in your mind that the Miracles mentioned in Quran cannot be real....
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...what exactly is the definition of hypocrisy ?Before we start clapping we should improve our reading and comprehending skills, right Hamza?
What is the claim of Arnold? according to what I understood he is trying to prove that "Miracles" mentioned in Quran are Metaphoric and they did not actually happen physically; right Hamza?
So if this is his claim how did he arrived at this claim? by research and the research showed him that these Miracles cannot happen physically, now when he made up his mind that Miracles cannot happen pysically, then he started reading the Quran with this angle and writing articles what he had in his mind! and that is what I said
read it once againBefore writing articles or translating Quran as you think it is, YOU have decided it in your mind that the Miracles mentioned in Quran cannot be real, and definitly arriving at this decision you researched a lot according to you, I just want know WHAT LEAD YOU TO THE CONCLUSION THAT MIRACLES MENTIONED IN QURAN DID NOT OR CANNOT HAPPEN PHYSICALLY??
Then I asked him a question, offcourse when a person arrives at a decision he has made up his mind by discussing negatives and positives, right Hamza?
Let me give you an example dear Hamza
If I say "Hamza is more handsome then Arnold". How did I arrive at this statement? offcourse by comparing and then making up my mind.
So first there is Question and then there is research then the decision and finaly the statement.
Therefore if Arnold says Miracles donot happen physically it means he has made up his mind.
So before we clap lets first know at what we are clapping at, otherwise it becomes embarassing, isn't it Hamza?
Alen
Raj-ah, please, don't attack anyone here, especially Arnold, he's very good friend of mine and the most intelligent. I find all his articles smart and educational so before you say this or that about him, please, read his work 10 times before you say anything about him, okay? No hard feelings?
Peace
Well we are not doubting his intelligence. But intelligent people respond intelligently. You find his articles samrt and educational, well I don't because his basics are wrong according to what I think. It is better if I read Quran 10 times then reading his work ten times.
Well I respect your friendship with him but Dear Alen ONE WHO WILL TRY TO CHANGE QURAN OR DISRESPECT PROPHET MUHAMMAD ON WHOM QURAN WAS REVEALED there is zero tolrence (Verbally and not Physically).It would have been better if you would have him to answer those three simple questions.
Any way thanks and no hard feelings.
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ONE WHO WILL TRY TO CHANGE QURAN OR DISRESPECT PROPHET MUHAMMAD ON WHOM QURAN WAS REVEALED there is zero tolerance (Verbally and not Physically).
Salaam Raj-ah
These are gross accusations against any body, and of all Arnold. Why do you feel so intimidated by his way of understanding? Take it or leave it. . If I do not agree with you on certain issues, would it be rational to accuse you in the same manner, just because "I find your basics wrong according to what I think"?
Who says "what you think", or what anyone else thinks, is the criterion?. Remember, this is a forum to learn, and it is for free minds. -
Samia
Who says "what you think", or what anyone else thinks, is the criterion?. Remember, this is a forum to learn, and it is for free minds.
I guess you understand what you wrote.
If some one tries to change Quran and disrespect Muhammad, I will engage with him verbally and that is my RIGHT.
am I correct? dear Samia
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peace
he's not changing the qur'an. he's just translating it differently then others.
now something did happen back then, muhammad wrote down what was revealed to hem about those incidents, now since arabic words have more then one meaning, some of the translators may have used some other words like "split the sea", arnold chose other words,
if he provided proof, you can't say he's wrong,
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SAMIA
Yes, if you show how he disrespects Muhammad and tries to change the quraan
I was just trying to do that I started a thread for it, but he backed up, after calling me Arrognat etc. etc.
Even he backed up I still will point out what has to be pointed out.
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SAMIA
I was just trying to do that I started a thread for it, but he backed up, after calling me Arrognat etc. etc.Even he backed up I still will point out what has to be pointed out.
Bro Raj-ah
I totally agree with you regarding Arnie, he clearly Yuhrrif (manipulate) the words away from its intended places, the Quran talks about the likes of him
I appluade you bro because you don't fear the people more than you fear Allah unlike many in here
Salam
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AhmadBahgat
Bro Raj-ah
I totally agree with you regarding Arnie, he clearly Yuhrrif (manipulate) the words away from its intended places, the Quran talks about the likes of him
I appluade you bro because you don't fear the people more than you fear Allah unlike many in here
Salam
Thanks! Ahmad for that, I was also thankful to you during your visit to Ali Sina's Faithfreedom and to M. Asadi too.
Elke
Peace ahmed
it's not because people don't share your opinion that they don't fear allah
lk
Dear Elke, why don't spend your time convincing Arnold to answer those simple questions, instead of arguing baselessly with others.
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Peace ahmed
it's not because people don't share your opinion that they don't fear allah
lk
Salam elke
I didn't say the above, it is you who is said it, what I meant by my comment to brother Raj-ah that he didn't fear all of Arnie supporters ganging overhim when he confronted Arnie with his reality
Do you get it?
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AhmadBahgat
Thanks! Ahmad for that, I was also thankful to you during your visit to Ali Sina's Faithfreedom and to M. Asadi too.
No worries bro, I'm still giving the boys and girls on FFI a really hard time ;D, I actually like FFI web site despite its hatred against Islam, the reason is simply they are fairer moderating it than many so called Islamic web sites moderating theirs
Salam
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SAMIA
I was just trying to do that I started a thread for it, but he backed up, after calling me Arrognat etc. etc.Even he backed up I still will point out what has to be pointed out.
People are disscussing issues they do not undrstand all the time on this forum with respect and willingness to listen.. They do not start special threads with antagonist, intimidating tiltles in anticipation that the other party will come to them submissively. It is not enough to "know". More important is how to deliver your knowledge. If you do not know (or if you interpret as you like) the manners of debate as taught to us in the quraan, no body will, or should, listen to you.
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Samia
People are disscussing issues they do not undrstand all the time on this forum with respect and willingness to listen.. They do not start special threads with antagonist, intimidating tiltles in anticipation that the other party will come to them submissively. It is not enough to "know". More important is how to deliver your knowledge. If you do not know (or if you interpret as you like) the manners of debate as taught to us in the quraan, no body will, or should, listen to you
Samia you just spend to much time on net! take a break dear!
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Salam elke
I didn't say the above, it is you who is said it, what I meant by my comment to brother Raj-ah that he didn't fear all of Arnie supporters ganging overhim when he confronted Arnie with his reality
Do you get it?
Peace ahmed, no i don't get it. But i still mean what i said and i know why i said it. ;D And just for your info, i don't necessarily agree with everything arnold thinks, just as might others that "gang" rajah...
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Peace ahmedit's not because people don't share your opinion that they don't fear allah
lk
Dear Elke, why don't spend your time convincing Arnold to answer those simple questions, instead of arguing baselessly with others.
"dear" raj'ah
what's baseless about my quote above ?
lk
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Samia
Samia you just spend to much time on net! take a break dear!
May be you can convince Arnold MOL to answer those questions, or add up some thing informative on the subject at hand, instead of trying to taunt me.See the BB language? How much I spend on the net is not your business. And Arnold answering you or not is not my business. The thread that discusses the miracles is not this one. This one is set to intimidate, not to discuss, and I am against any kind of intimidation.