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Please state whether you believe in any of the following

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    maxq
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    Let me frankly say that I don't know
    I cannot prove it to my rational side, while I cannot disprove it to my creative side D

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      http//i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/savage_carrot/office.jpg

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        jonny_k
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        Peace "Aaron",

        um your poll gives various choices that are not necessarily exclusive from eachother... i suggest a revision

        JK- Smart but i did tht on purpose since many people define things or understand things differently. Some might not consider y x paranormal whilst the scientific community has clearly classified as such. GOD Bless!

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          jonny_k
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          Peace,
          It seems here ther may still be many people on this forum whod like to beleive in fantasy without any evidence. To be honest that worries me a bit. & GOD Bless!

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            unknownuser
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            PEace Be Upon You All

            I believe! sun

            Bro Johnny, I recently watched some clips from your beloved Randi

            He says he doesn't know if what the "psychics" are doing is real but that there is a more logical explanation of how they did what they did - thru trickery.

            Pretty much that means he found another way to do the same thing they did without actually discrediting them. I don't see that as debunking anything. I don't doubt that there are alot of phonies out there but that doesn't mean that these things are fantasy. )

            I can tell you alot of stories of things i personally experienced and i can assure you i'm not a magician angel

            peace

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              jonny_k
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              Peace sis "BOOST",

              PEace Be Upon You All

              I believe! sun

              Bro Johnny, I recently watched some clips from your beloved Randi

              He says he doesn't know if what the "psychics" are doing is real but that there is a more logical explanation of how they did what they did - thru trickery.

              Pretty much that means he found another way to do the same thing they did without actually discrediting them. I don't see that as debunking anything. I don't doubt that there are alot of phonies out there but that doesn't mean that these things are fantasy. )

              JK- Well i see that perfectly debunks them to a great extent. Moreover that is not the only thing. Infact all psychic claims, ALL, who agreed to take the test failed to carry out their "psychic" abilities under the controlled conditions. In most cases the trick used was EXACTLY as Randi had predicted. Here watch some of these clips of Randi
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=39PM03iVbqE
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxvPJFv6X94
              In the following clip youll see how Randi mainly exposes Peter Popoff and he predicted exactly tht hed be using a wireless earpiece which he did
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo
              Since JR is a magician it is not only significant how some things can be imitated by natural means but by knowing that the subject is most likely gonna use the very same methods predicted.

              I can tell you alot of stories of things i personally experienced and i can assure you i'm not a magician angel
              peace

              JK- If you havnt yet realised how easily the mind can be tricked then im sorry i cant help you. I myself have seen, together with my mother, two casper like ghost creatures sitiing on a bench here in hemelin(small town in germany), near the forest at evening. Both of us saw them. Does this mean they were real ghosts? Or are there other more likely explanations. Well i think there are. People could have used holographic projections to scare some people on that particular day. This is the most likely i can think of but there can be other explanations too so without any further evidence suggesting those were real ghosts would not be correct. It would be delusional. Likewise many a times your in a trance or a semi dream, meaning your half awake but half asleep. In that state you might see pieces of the real world combined with bits and pieces from the dream. This happened to me alot of times and as a child i too thought at certain occasions tht these maybe some sort of ghosts but i had to realize tht theyr most likely not but combis of the dream world created inside my brain mixing all previously gained info inc shapes, colors, etc and the real world. Last but not least James Randi is open to any kind of paranormal phenomenom. He just hasnt seen any evidence of them as yet. GOD Bless!

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                Other, I believe I might have to power to communicate with Jinn, just that I havent activated it yet.

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                  Peace "lost philosopher",

                  Other, I believe I might have to power to communicate with Jinn, just that I havent activated it yet.

                  JK- If jinn means human psyche or emotions, whch it can in particular Quranic contexts and bro Arnold explained well the term can mean multiple things depending on context, then you should have this power already and used it quite a lot like the rest of us since its part of you. GOD Bless!

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                    My bad, from what I read Jinn meant something a long the lines of spirits or demons. I guess no one bothered to tell me what it really was in a discussion I started about my ability.

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace Be Upon You Bro LP

                      I believe your definition is right.

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                        jonny_k
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                        Peace "LP" and "BOOST",
                        For the time being theres lack of evidence for jinn as you define them. And spirits and demons are juut a myth. What can be possible though is that Jinn are "plasma beings" as bro LAyth ones defined, evolved to interact with eukaryote based lifeforms according to fixed natural laws and their bodies would be obeying them too. This i beelived once jinn were and might still support if eidence for it pops up. This would then also easily explain BOOST's experience with a jinn. The jinn, as a perate intelligent entity, cldve then influenced her brain as well as all the other person's in tht area and caused all sorts of instability for particular moments of time. However even here we need to rule out all possible simpler explanations first as per Occam's razor. The supernatural explanations though are bullsh*t. GOD Bless!

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                          peace4life
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                          Salam,

                          I never used to belive in paranormal things. I was very scientifically minded. But truely, untill strange things actually start happening to you, you will not believe. It is the Jinn that cause for most of those things to happen (for example, you could be listening to Quran one day sitting all alone and the tape player suddenly switches off!).

                          Miracles from Allah do happen as well and Angels help you. You could be very sick and need an operation and everything and in the next couple of weeks you get better and better and you're fine. Yes, it happens!

                          Sometimes you feel what other people are feeling too (e.g. mother feels what her children are feeling even though they're far away).

                          Most interestingly, are those dreams that you have that something will happen and it does.

                          I don't know much about those things and how they happen, but we have to be careful of the Jinn and their magic as Allah says because you could be receiving messages from Satan and not know it.

                          So, there's definately more to life than psychology, but I don't like to talk about it because Allah says that magic is evil. So I don't think there's good magic.

                          Salam,

                          Rida peace

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                            jonny_k
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                            Peace "peace4life",
                            All what uve mentioned above would necessitate GOD to vilate His own laws in order to help us. By claling so you are degrading GOD. All such experiences which youve mentioned above can be explained reasonably. It is all in your mind. And yes self suggetsion does and can help to cure certain BU NOT all things in your body. Theres nothing supernatural about this. Jinn even if thex exist as seprate beings, are by no means supernatural. Their bodies woul have their own mode of operation and would follow fixed laws, which could in some matters be more advanced than us and in others less. GOD Bless!
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                              peace4life
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                              Salam Jonny_K,

                              You say that all the experiences I mentioned can be explained reasonably! Noooooo they absolutely can?t! I used to believe that, but I was proven wrong! What do we know compared to what God knows??? And God can do anything and everything!

                              Have you ever gone to sleep and you saw in a dream a man praying and you don?t know who he is? That?s got nothing to do with psychology!

                              Have you ever had a dream about a war or some event and the next day or two it happened? What?s that got to do with psychology? Especially if the event happened in a holy place!

                              And some people do have psychic abilities & visions at dawn. Can't control these things! just have to ask God for help and forgiveness and guidance.

                              Psychologists still can?t explain what those things are! Why? Because they?re nothing to do with your mind. There is something spiritual in life which has nothing to do with science. If you don?t believe that then you don't believe in the unseen. (God is unseen)

                              Most of the time things are psychological I know where you?re coming from and I?ve studied psychology as well. But some people do experience deep spiritual states and this allows them to have certain experiences that other people can?t.

                              See, I wish I didn?t believe this, and I wish that everything was in order and logical and scientific, but one day you might realise that spiritual forces do exist. What is love? Can you see love? Is it logical? Can you help it if you fall in love?

                              Not everything is about science and law and logic, God controls everything and can break the rules whenever he wants!

                              You ever met a lady for example, who could never have kids (cos doctors told her she?ll never have any!) and one day she suddenly fell pregnant?

                              Allah ?ala kulli shay-in qadeer! Aameen (that?s why I don?t care about science- God overrules!) & He can do paranormal things so you can believe in him more.

                              My only concern is dreams and messages and things from the Jinn (those we have to reject & be careful of!).

                              Salam,

                              Rida peace

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                                peace4life
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                                Salam,

                                I just remembered something. Apparently normal human beings only use about 5% of their brain. SO, I believe that when you reach deeper levels of spirituality God opens up your brain more so you can think deeper and experience things you never thought possible. There are lots of things in life we can't sense, but if you're a strong believer and God wants you to sense them you will.

                                Peace peace

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                                  Jack
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                                  Apparently normal human beings only use about 5% of their brain.

                                  traditionally people are taught its actually 10% of the brain which is a myth IMO

                                  http//faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

                                  http//www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

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                                    Yes, when you say that, and only when, you are using 10% of your brain.

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                                      Alen
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                                      Salam.

                                      Well, it's difficult to vote, brother.
                                      You see, we need to prove it first and then decide, right?
                                      I know that we are all brothers and sisters, because we all came from 2 people.
                                      But we all have brains of our own and each brain is protected. Information can exit and enter through different ways of the body eyes, nose, mouth, ears, skin, ....

                                      Can the information "fly out" from my brain and travel to .... Bush and tell him to pull out all military forces out of the Persian Gulf now and forever .... i don't know, i can try.

                                      Let's try together.

                                      Peace.

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                                        jonny_k
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                                        Peace bro "Peace4life",
                                        Are you aware of James Randi's challenge? If there is such a thing as psychic phenomena then mroe ppl should come up and take the chalenge. Everyone
                                        who did so far failed even the preliminary test where odds are just 100001.

                                        You say that all the experiences I mentioned can be explained reasonably! Noooooo they absolutely can?t! I used to believe that, but I was proven wrong! What do we know compared to what God knows??? And God can do anything and everything!

                                        Have you ever gone to sleep and you saw in a dream a man praying and you don?t know who he is? That?s got nothing to do with psychology!

                                        JK- The brain can mix together many images and if youve seen a man praying before in life praying then this is no mystery at all.

                                        Have you ever had a dream about a war or some event and the next day or two it happened? What?s that got to do with psychology? Especially if the event happened in a holy place!

                                        JK- There were already some signs of war before hand and you got scared. Various info for war crept in subconsciosuly into your brain and then appeared in your dream. Also if such events do happen and even if they are inspired which i do not deny could happen like the signs i got which led me to beleive in evolution, they aint supernatural. GOD calculated when the events should be revealed befire the big bang and let them appear at their proper time. Theres no psychic stuff here whtsoever.

                                        And some people do have psychic abilities & visions at dawn. Can't control these things! just have to ask God for help and forgiveness and guidance.

                                        JK- $1M awaits them. Ask them to take the JR challenge.

                                        Psychologists still can?t explain what those things are! Why? Because they?re nothing to do with your mind. There is something spiritual in life which has nothing to do with science. If you don?t believe that then you don't believe in the unseen. (God is unseen)

                                        JK- Atoms too were "unseen". Electrons, quarks and quanta still ARE. Beleiving in the unseen<>beleiving in supernatural nonsense. It only meany tht sight is not the only way to get to know the truth. Hence we use reason and emploiy the scientific method using various devices.

                                        Most of the time things are psychological I know where you?re coming from and I?ve studied psychology as well. But some people do experience deep spiritual states and this allows them to have certain experiences that other people can?t.

                                        JK- Yes the brain may rationalize of what it has alredy seen and then even solve probs whilst in dreams. Theres absolutely nothinbg psychic abt tht.

                                        See, I wish I didn?t believe this, and I wish that everything was in order and logical and scientific, but one day you might realise that spiritual forces do exist. What is love? Can you see love? Is it logical? Can you help it if you fall in love?

                                        JK- Ive explained in detail wht love is in the science section of this forum. Plz see tht thread.

                                        Not everything is about science and law and logic, God controls everything and can break the rules whenever he wants!

                                        JK- He can BUT HE NEVER WLD. It wld make GOD look weak. GOD NEVER GOES OUT OF HIS WAY. Its even in the Quran. Everything happnens at an APPOINTED TIME.

                                        You ever met a lady for example, who could never have kids (cos doctors told her she?ll never have any!) and one day she suddenly fell pregnant?

                                        JK- Yes but this is not a supernaturla event. GOD calculated before big bang exactly how nd when all the atoms in the reproductory system of tht woman and the surroundings would come in such a way that child birth would now be possible. Indeed this is a great sign BUT Nothing supernatural at all.

                                        Allah ?ala kulli shay-in qadeer! Aameen (that?s why I don?t care about science- God overrules!) & He can do paranormal things so you can believe in him more.

                                        JK- He can but never wld as mentuoned be4. GOD Bless!

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                                          I don't know how you get this concept of "supernatural" when literally all we are is a stupidly complex arrangement of cells. We are just bio-computers p

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