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    mucahit
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    While reading the book "Mental Bondage" of Aidid Safar, I came across the topic of restricted food.
    Now Aidid asserts that Khinziri in verse 53 does not refer to swine but literally means "rotten" (decaying meat).
    I've checked the root, http//www.textinmotion.com/roots.jsp?id=&root= but I think his understanding is inconsistent with verse 560.

    However, as my knowledge of the Arabic language is limited, I'd like to hear your opinions about this.
    Perhaps the word ape in verse 560 also refers to something else.

    Peace

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      unknownuser
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      Peace mucahit,

      According to qur'aanic grammar, in the phrases "lahma khinzeerin" or "lahma alkhinzeeri", "khinzeer" CANNOT be an adjective but can only be a noun. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum in the past. Please use the search feature for the relevant threads.

      A short explanation is as follows

      For "khinzeer" to be an adjective the phrase has to have "AL" before both words or if "AL" is not before both words then both words have to have the same ending of "an" or "un".

      For example

      "lahmun khinzeerun" or "al-lahma al-khinzeer".

      The phrases in al-qur'aan are as follows

      "lahma khinzeerin" (6145), and "lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri" (2173, 53, 16115).

      Thus "khinzeer" in those phrases CANNOT be an adjective, and can only mean "pig".

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        unknownuser
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        Perhaps the word ape in verse 560 also refers to something else.

        Peace mucahit,

        Yes as Tanveer posted; likewise 560, 265, and 7166 are NOT literal nouns.

        Cute little creatures and reason they are called apes? ;D

        http//img252.imageshack.us/img252/6423/proofhumansandchimpsareez1.jpg

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          Samia
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          Perhaps the word ape in verse 560 also refers to something else.

          Peace

          It is not apes (apes are cute little creatures), but monkeys. What about monkeys? They imitate without reasoning. What about pigs? They are filthy. And where do we find these characteristics? in those who worship the tyrant "Taaghuut".

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            Wakas
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            Aidid Safar has some good ideas... and a lot of mistakes! (see past discussions via search function)

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              mucahit
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              Thanks for your satisfying explanation Tanveer.
              Actually I knew about this rule but I didn't expect Aidid, claiming to have studied Arabic, to make such an error.
              This makes all his claims he does about the quran questionable.

              Peace

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                TheNabi
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                Peace

                He/She is a thoughtful person, but I think you should be skeptical with anyone's work.

                Joe

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