Why no female messengers/prophets?
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Yes!! Imagine a pregnant messenger yay
Yeah, full of fun... yay
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And We sent not before you (as Messengers) ANY BUT MEN, whom We inspired from among the people of townships. Have they not travelled through the earth and seen what was the end of those who were before them? And verily, the home of the Hereafter is the best for those who fear Allah and obey Him (by abstaining from sins and evil deeds, and by performing righteous good deeds). Do you not then understand? 12109
And We sent not before you (O Muhammad SAW) BUT MEN to whom We inspired, so ask the people of the Reminder if you do not know. And We did not create them (the Messengers, with) bodies that ate not food, nor were they immortals, 217-8
I do not think "men" here is in opposition to "women" but to "aliens/jinn/angels" explained later in each verse
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PEace Be Upon You All
Yea I'm pretty sure Soloman was adamant about crushing her or destroying her kingdom if she does not come submissive. So i think she was a believer but not exactly prophet-hood or messengership status. I could be wrong but i remember reading a verse to that effect.
Also, just for argument's sake ;D I'm assuming if a woman did receive such an important duty she would hold off on child bearing or perhaps God would give her natural birth control for a time ... dunno it still doesn't hold water. Messengers and Prophets were fathers too...
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I do not think "men" here is in opposition to "women" but to "aliens/jinn/angels" explained later in each verse
Yes it can be, but God has never told us any female messenger, there can or cannot be. But I think I agree with you.... handshake
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Peace all,
The word used in 12109 and 217 is "rijaal" which does not always mean "men".
434 The RIJAAL are QAWWAMUN ALA the NISAA by what God preferred/favored some of them over some and for what they spend of their money.
The word for "man" in Classical Arabic is "emri'un", and for woman is "imra'a". In 434 if "rijaal" is translated as "men" and "nisaa" is translated as "women", then what about the women who are the breadwinners, and the men who stay home in a married relationship ?
According to Classical Arabic dictionary, "rijaal" can also mean "those with strength to walk, or those who go on foot", meaning the breadwinners in context of 434 (they go out on foot to work and win bread so that they can provide), and "nisaa" means "those who are late/remaining" implying those who stay.
Thus a better translation would be
434 Breadwinners (irrespective of gender) are responsible/guardian of those who stay (not work) by what God preferred/favoured some of the people (with work, ability to gain) over some (those who stay) and with what they spend.
Now 2228 will make more sense with this translation
2228 ................But the RIJAAL/breadwinners (irrespective of gender) will have a greater responsibility (degree/daraja) over them in this............
Please see the following thread for a discussion on this issue
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12037.msg89261#msg89261
Also please see the following article which is convincing for Mary being a prophet
http//free-minds.org/articles/messengers/maryam.htm
The Qur'an clearly indicates that the role and significance of Maryam is equal in status to that of a prophet, and what distinguishes her from prophets is simply that she delivers a messenger rather than a message per se. Prophet Muhammad delivered a "messenger" (the qur'aan); similarly Mary delivered a messenger (Jesus) !
Just because The God has not mentioned a female messenger does not mean there was not any female sent as a messenger ever. There are plenty of messengers that The God has not mentioned.
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peace be upon you boost,
Peace Be Upon You Bro Agent
Would that be any worse than what any of the other prophets/messengers went thru?
According to my understanding yes especially in a tribal/feudal society, because it challenges the egos of male chauvinism beside the matters of faith.
Joan of Arc the patron saint of France was burned at the stake in 1431.
peace
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Yeah, that's what I thought - Men have ego. If the prophet is a female, imagine the prophet's husband. Men naturally can't stand having a women telling them what to do.
Besides, what will the husband do while the prophet is out preaching? Cook, and do the washing? I'm not saying he can't, but it's just weird.
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Yeah, that's what I thought - Men have ego. If the prophet is a female, imagine the prophet's husband. Men naturally can't stand having a women telling them what to do.
Why not? When the commandment is from the God Himself not from the woman. People rejected men prophets for the same reason, for their ego, didn't they? Women were queens telling people what to do, when men can listen them why can't they listen women messengers?
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Why not? When the commandment is from the God Himself not from the woman. People rejected men prophets for the same reason, for their ego, didn't they? Women were queens telling people what to do, when men can listen them why can't they listen women messengers?
Because the queen is rich. The messenger is poor
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Because the queen is rich. The messenger is poor
Not always. When a king can be a messenger why can't a queen? Infact Solomon was a king.
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A woman cannot be a prophet for the obvious reason.
What reason?
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peace
Two things that don't make sense- no women messengers
- messengers don't have last names
Why?
I think that anyone can be a messenger. Man or woman.
I also think that the people in the quran might not be real.Oh really?! You mean god is into fiction? Maybe god should have consulted you on your first point about female messengers but perhaps we should wait until the US gets its first female president.
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Oh really?! You mean god is into fiction? Maybe god should have consulted you on your first point about female messengers but perhaps we should wait until the US gets its first female president.
there's quote from V for Vendetta, "Artists use lies to tell the truth."
I think the author of this quran may have been an artist.
Although I appreciate the compliment, I don't think god would consult me about inspiring women with the truth. Several female members on this forum I believe would qualify as messengers by my definition. Samia being one of them.
She's opened my eyes to the truth more than once, how can she not be a messenger? -
Peace Be Upon You All
I know God does as He pleases. But why do you think that no women ever get that title? I guess the closest would be Mary but she was just the messenger of a messenger so to speak ... She has a pretty cool title though ... the best of all womenbut still ... anyone have a guess as to why?
Hello sister
Just in case you dont know (I believe you know though), Allah said in the Quran that the messengers must be men (Rijaal), you are an egyptian and I'm sure you know well that Rijaal means men and Nisaa means women, those who promote otherwise are clear cut ignorant and surely are misleading others to only satisfy their low desires and ego
If you are in doubt that Nisaa means women (feminine) and Rijaal means men (masculine), i can show you hundreds of evidences in the Quran to prove it to you and expose the deceptions but I hope we donlt waste time on that Tom and Jerry allegation
Finally, dont forget that Allah ordered the wives of the prophet not to marry after him and abandon life so they dedicate it to serving Allah and His religion, this of course is a great honor to the women race because those wives learnt the religion first hand from their husband (the prophet) and for years and years after the prophet died they taught Islam to thousands of men and women, they were like the first and true Khalifas of Islam
Also many above provdided very logical reasons, agentxxx and samia
salam
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there's quote from V for Vendetta, "Artists use lies to tell the truth."
I think the author of this quran may have been an artist.
Although I appreciate the compliment, I don't think god would consult me about inspiring women with the truth. Several female members on this forum I believe would qualify as messengers by my definition. Samia being one of them.
She's opened my eyes to the truth more than once, how can she not be a messenger?Well let me say this
If Samia agrees with a kafir like you who call himself Allah, accuse Allah of lying, says you know better than Allah, and the Quran is a book of non sense, then she is a clear cut hypocrite, I hope she is not, but I can't see here defending her religion against the non sense a kafir like you spew every day
You are a shame to this place and even shame to the kafirs, I have to add you to the shamless list of free islam, however I dont even want to waste the 3 minutes it will take me to do it with a clear cut enemy of Islam like you
Edit Finally done it The Shameless List Update
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Salam.
Is it possible that there were female messengers but the disbelievers killed them in such horrible way that it was soooo awful and nasty that it just ..... is not for public?
The Exalted GOD AllPowerful knows best.
I don't know, if there were any female messengers but The GOD did say that HE has sent many messengers, some HE spoke to Muhammad, some HE didn't. I forgot the verse and the chapter where it says .....
Peace.
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I still do not find any plausible logical reason why no female messengers are mentioned in the quran....While we are on the topic how come all the messengers seem to be of middle eastern extraction? Where is prophet bob dole of the US,or rasul kodjo from kenya? And why no more new messengers in the last 1400 years?