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And logic dictates that we take things in context, not as we will. Mate.
Oh, and in a few years when medicine sufficiently expands, we shall be able to choose either meaning. Yay!
Salam OPF,
you said "not as we will" but then said "we shall be able to choose.."
..and, "either meaning"... i'm confused.. -
Perhaps we're supposed to give the thief a second chance when it seems he's really afraid of the punishment or says he'll stop.., it is only by giving a second chance that we get to see if he really repents..
in other words, the punishment is suspended../ the thief is put on probation..
No, the order of the verses shows a due process
a) accusation
b) apprehension of suspect
c) trial & jurisdiction
d) punishment (chance to repent here)
e) repentance, again
Now, substitute "cutting off hands" and "cutting off wealth" into d) and see that the prior is not logical.
Salam OPF,
you said "not as we will" but then said "we shall be able to choose.."
..and, "either meaning"... i'm confused..Prosthetics, cybernetic augmentation, neurology!
I.e. when humankind advance such far, the cutting of the hand will be indistinguishable from the cutting of the wealth, likewise, the cutting of the hand can be restored if the thief repents!
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so why are quran aloners so inclined to believe that the punishment is not amputating the hands of thieves?
I don't have problems with that, personally.
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JudgeYou are guilty of theft and your hand shall be cut off dude.
DefendantOh man that sucks for me coz I didnt do it, seriously.
ExecutionerShut up! Take this! (Censored)Sometime Later
LawyerAccording to newly found evidence my client is not guilty.
JudgeHmm ... you are right. Ok then so you are not guilty dude.
DefendantThank God. But wait, how about my chopped off hand?
JudgeWell, it is too late buddy. You should have presented the evidence before you got your hand chopped off.
DefendantGod dammit ...rotfl Hey, perhaps in time he may be accused of theft again and there goes his other hand. elektro
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JudgeYou are guilty of theft and your hand shall be cut off dude.
DefendantOh man that sucks for me coz I didnt do it, seriously.
ExecutionerShut up! Take this! (Censored)Sometime Later
LawyerAccording to newly found evidence my client is not guilty.
JudgeHmm ... you are right. Ok then so you are not guilty dude.
DefendantThank God. But wait, how about my chopped off hand?
JudgeWell, it is too late buddy. You should have presented the evidence before you got your hand chopped off.
DefendantGod dammit ...Oh my god....that is really hilarious .... rotfl rotfl rotfl
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Salam,
I hope we're not interpreting an ayat according to our interests.. like, saying hell isn't forever or it is on earth, just because God doesn't show us the true logic of it...
Alright, resolve the slight problem of "repenting" after your hands have been cut off, and get back to me.
Great general wisdom in that post, however.
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We move onto his feet, duh.
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I think
or between his feet
What if it's a woman? A lot of women seem to be accused of theft, based on this, in the Sudan and Somalia?
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538
And the male thief/robber and female thief/robber, so cut off their (B)'s hands, a reward because what they (B) gathered/acquired, severe exemplary punishment from God, and God (is) glorious/ might, wise/judicious.539
So who repented from after his injustice/oppression, and he corrected, so that GOD forgives on him, that God (is) a forgiving, merciful.Impt Question how do we know if God forgives someone or not?
Our duty is as decribed in 538,
while 539 is saying simply what it says..
no contradiction, no complication..538 is a concept of you reap what you sow/ cause and effect, while forgiveness/repentent is a different story.
for example, someone gossiped about you, you found out about it and the knowledge creates resentment/embarrasment.. but then it is up to you to forgive or not.. resentment/embarrasment is bound to happen..cause and effect.salam.
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How could he steal if he didnt have hands any longer? D
Electronic fraud, dragging it by mouth, theft by proxy, etc...
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Wahuwa allathee kaffa aydiyahum AAankum waaydiyakum AAanhum bibatni makkata min baAAdi an athfarakum AAalayhim wakana Allahu bima taAAmaloona baseeran
4824 And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Makka, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith hamma qawmun an yabsutoo ilaykum aydiyahum fakaffa aydiyahum AAankum waittaqoo Allaha waAAala Allahi falyatawakkali almuminoona
511 O ye who believe! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you when certain men formed the design to stretch out their hands against you, but ((Allah)) held back their hands from you so fear Allah. And on Allah let believers put (all) their trust.
In above verses, what was held back/restrained is their ?hands? or means to carry out.
Likewise, for known thieves; i.e. repeat offenders; cut off their means to do so.
Prison is certainly an option.
Question for professional thieves in 7th century Arabia is the ?literal? severing of hand a way to cut off their means to perpetrate their crime?
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Again, the beauty of the Quran is that the first meaning would hold in that time, the second meaning fits in today, and in a few hundred years, when technology so advances, we can use both meanings!
But, clearly the meaning to "cut off means of wealth" is better throughout.
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Cutting thieves hands is horrendous and barbaric. Perhaps the verse 538 and especially 533 may have been painfully and unduly misunderstood in my opinion.
yea but some people deserve it i.e. people that claim to be raising millions of ??????? for charity and pocketing most of it.
If the crime was caught on camera (these days it usually is) then claiming that the accused is innocent is just ridiculous.
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The notion that someone "deserves" amputation of the hand is highly subjective. There are people in this world who see nothing wrong with stealing...
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Hi Nadeem,
Peace angel,
The forgiveness part is crucial. It implies that the punishment should be reversible, in case the thief repents. Cutting hands seems fairly irreversible to me. What do you think?
Nadeem
IMO that is not true. I remember discussing this with my mum, her understanding was that forgiveness means "letting them off", this IMO only makes sense if the punishment is amputating the hand. If a thief is locked up for about 3 months, they have served their time, we cant punish them after their 3 months is up, letting them off and not sending them down for 3 months is too forgiving, it will not make the problem go away.
There are people in this world who see nothing wrong with stealing...
if the person is poor we can't really blame them (although I can't exactly condone it). However it is the duty of the state to provide for the poor.