Quran-Aloners Believe in the Quran Because of God and Not Men

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In other words, ever had a sunni come up to you and say "why do you believe in the Quran, when the same people who transmitted it to us also gave us the divinely ub3r hadith?! Therefore if you disbelieve in the hadith you might as well disbelieve in the Quran because it's from the same source/channel!!!!111ONE1111!"

I'll expose this in several ways

Basically this argument is like saying it is not possible for someone to have something with him that is absolute truth and something else at the same time which is absolute crap. In other words, if you were brought to this world, and I transmitted to you the Quran (via God who wanted the Quran to reach you) and at the same time gave you books of Greek mythology, if you disbelieve in my books of Greek mythology then it is ok (by God) that you reject the Quran. Sounds dumb, right? Because it is.
Secondly, if by chance this Quran I'm giving you, you realize in 20 years or so later agrees to every discovered scientific fact, every commonly known fact, and has no contradictions in it...while the books of Greek mythology have stupidity in it like the alleged sunni hadith does, it is outrageous to believe the Quran is from God whereas the books of Greek mythology are nonsensical bs? Answer is no.
Let me not even go to how the hadith owns itself more than the Quran does and proves it has 0 connection to God and his messenger (which are only in the Quran...).
Should we beleive in the Quran in the sense that we believe in an infallible chain of transmission conducted by MEN, or should we believe in it because of our NATURAL inclination that what is correct is to believe in one god and that he wants us to act accordingly with his infallible system?

Basically, my point is that these so-called worshippers of God do not even believe in the Quran because of their sole reliance on the almighty but heavily due to their belief of a flawless transmission of info by what they should pretty much regard as infallible transmitters/men. They do not even believe in the possibility that a hadith declared as "sahih" is any more corrupt than a verse from the Quran, which is sad obviously. Worse they let these unauthorized books explain the god's words because they think they have to. Lol.

Anyway, I hope it is a fact that Quran-aloners do not believe in the Quran for any reason having to do with men. If anything we should believe God used men, guided and unguided alike to transmit to us his Quran, and that he's the teacher of it. God uses men and everything else to let happen what will happen.

Alen

Peace,
Respectfully.

I have been thinking about this for some time now. Is it possible that sunnis/shias are not Believers at all? I mean, sunnis and shias believe in something because they tell them to believe in it, right? Therefore, it is safe to say, God willing, that sunnis/shias believe or don't believe in something, as long as they are told, furthermore they have totally different meaning and definition of Heaven,Hell, angels, devil, messengers and even God.

Sunnis believe that messengers are superhumans, flawless and perfectly sinless.
They also believe that the companions of the prophet/messenger Muhammad are also partially if not 100% perfect just because they saw him face to face. I know it would be awesome to actually see the messenger/prophet of God but one should not make stuff up about him or go crazy, right?

Shias are even worst. They have picked up this tradition from Christians i think where they punish themselves now as to not be punished later on. No comment.

Last night i was reading Pickthall's translation of The Quran and in chapter two, the verse talking about Hajj (around verse125) and qibla, he translates inside of brackets this sentence like pagans use to do.
What was it that pagans use to do in Makkah near the black stone? I have a pretty good idea but did pagans have their idols on top of that black cube that we see today?

Today, many people ask me why don't we remove the black cube as well because it was a platform for the idols and i think it should be removed straight away.

God knows best.
No more stones, no more idols, no more statues.
Peace.

Zees

Does anyone here knows why the Sunnis and Shias parted their ways?

First and foremost Sunnis and Shias followed the same truth (that is the Quran) but then what was the point of difference or what had changed since the life of the prophet that after the death of the prophet they decided to part their ways. Both sects parted their ways because they preferred to follow a different system rather than the fact they differed on the truth(that is the Quran) which was given to them. The Shias believed in a system based upon two things the 'infallible imam' and the 'Blind following' the same system that was followed by the Egyptians and the Rabbanic jews and the Catholics/Eastern orthodox and finally the Shias. The Infallible Imam is the only one who can interpret the Quran and make it known to the people. The Sunnis on the other hand followed a system based upon two things 'Independent Reasoning' and 'Consensus of the community' a system that was followed by the Greeks/Romans, Karaite Jews, Protestants and finally the Sunnis. This system on the other hand depended upon interpretation by the learned scholars.

This is how it worked. The Sunni scholars interpreted their religion with the changing circumstances of the time and updated their laws according to the changing times. This process of interpretation of the Quran and updating the law according to changing times was known as the 'Living Sunnah'. When imam shafi came on the scene he literally and single handedly destroyed this process by declaring that there is no such thing as the 'Living Sunnah' but Sunnah is an Ideal Sunnah which gave birth to the idea of making Hadith or interpretations of the earliest generations of Islam as a source of Law, which it never was. They were just interpretations or in other words human activity which was bound to have some errors in them as to say to err is to human. Suffice to say this led to people believing that all they had to do is to follow the hadith which was understood to be the explanation of the Quran. From this time onwards the Suuni system started to decline until finally a time came when the rulers of the time declared that apart from the four interpreters there is no one else to be followed and that there will be no interpretations from so on forth. Independent reasoning was totally outlawed by a decree popularly known as the closing of the gates of Ijtihad. After that Sunnis became worse than the Shias in their ignorance. That is the reason when you ask a Sunni he will reply that you should not think in matters of religion but follow the earliest interpreters since we are ignorant and they were wise. The Sunnis abandoned their system based upon 'Indpendent Reasoning' and 'Consensus of the community' at the behest of Imam Shafi and started following the Shia system of 'infallible imam' and the 'Blind following'. The Sunnis of today glorify their Imams(past) in their mosques and praise the wisdom of the earliest interpreters and other than that sit on their butts do nothing and follow baseless rituals and rites. The original Sunnis that came before Imam Shafi were a different class altogether.

What we need to do is to convince the Sunnis of today is to revive the original system and to abandon the system of ignorance based upon the ('infallible imam' and the 'Blind following&#039 they are following. Hadith is simply a part of a wrong system the sunnis seem to be following, they just need to be convinced that interpretations are not binding they are either relevant or not relevant anymore. For interpretations to be valid they need to be in line with the quran and the changing circumstances of the time.

Your views are welcome