Do you believe Allah sent messenger(s) after the prophet Muhammad?
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God has preserved the quran/message for us so now it is up to each individual to use his reason and find the truth - no more prophets (nabi's) - i believe mohammad was the last.
Messengers are different like lp said - their role is to spread the truth of God - i see no reason why no more rasool's will have been sent to spread the message.... -
Salaams ,
What are the credentials of a Nabi ?
Stamp of approval/ disapproval.
Does it comply with quality freshness.
musk
a substance with a strong sweet smell, used in making perfumes8326 PICKTHAL Whose seal is musk - for this let (all) those strive who strive for bliss.
What do you guys do to see wether something is okay and hasn't gone bad ? may be smell the thing , thus approving its okay to eat or not.
Similarly Musk approves the quality of the thing- its freshness or how delicious an object is.
KHITAM = MUSK ? That which approves the thing, and not suggesting it's the last or the end or that its closed from anything.
Have you seen wine tasters ? who always first smell the wine to see whether they approve it.
Similarly
Mu-Hammad ?????.Khatama Alnabiyeenna . = He who does Hammad is what makes him a Nabi.
4034 (YA) "And to you there came Joseph in times gone by, with Clear Signs, but ye ceased not to doubt of the (Mission) for which he had come At length, when he died, ye said 'No apostle will Allah send after him.' thus doth Allah leave to stray such as transgress and live in doubt,-
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YUSUFALI O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.God Bless.
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A seal that god puts cannot be broken. If god says that Mohammad SAW is the seal of prophets and you are saying that the seal can be broken, then what was the purpose of that verse? In other words, what that verse is trying to say. Is it sayin Mohammad is the last messenger until I send another one? Is there an end to your twisting Quran?
Keep in mind that the Quran claims to have everything of Islam within. Why is it not explicitly stated? Or is it? Aside from what Yusha put forward?
A seal that god puts cannot be broken.
Can you cite a verse on this?
I can cite to the contrary
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YUSUFALI Say "Think ye, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up your hearts, who - a god other than Allah - could restore them to you?" See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); yet they turn aside.
PICKTHAL Say Have ye imagined, if Allah should take away your hearing and your sight and seal your hearts, Who is the Allah Who could restore it to you save Allah? See how We display the revelations unto them! Yet still they turn away.
SHAKIR Say Have you considered that if Allah takes away your hearing and your sight and sets a seal on your hearts, who is the god besides Allah that can bring it to you? See how We repeat the communications, yet they turn away.Here's one for analogy (edit mz quoted this before, didn't see)
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YUSUFALI Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed
PICKTHAL They are given to drink of a pure wine, sealed,
SHAKIR They are made to quaff of a pure drink that is sealed (to others).083.026
YUSUFALI The seal thereof will be Musk And for this let those aspire, who have aspirations
PICKTHAL Whose seal is musk - for this let (all) those strive who strive for bliss -
SHAKIR The sealing of it is (with) musk; and for that let the aspirers aspire.Oh, and here's an interesting verse, though off-topic - keyword - "authority"
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YUSUFALI "(Such) as dispute about the Signs of Allah, without any authority that hath reached them, grievous and odious (is such conduct) in the sight of Allah and of the Believers. Thus doth Allah, seal up every heart - of arrogant and obstinate Transgressors." -
I do not think the office is a closed one.
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Here is what i think again,
The jews said their hearts where sealed to preserve their identity ? and God said for saying such a thing they are cursed.
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SHAKIR And they say Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.
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SHAKIR Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.God tries to make us humble but we do harden our hearts and don?t learn humility
Walaqad arsalna ila omamin minqablika faakhathnahum bialba/sa-i waalddarra-ilaAAallahum yatadarraAAoona
Before thee We sent (messengers) to many nations, and We afflicted the nations with suffering and adversity, that they might learn humility.
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Falawla ith jaahumba/suna tadarraAAoo walakin qasat quloobuhumwazayyana lahumu alshshaytanu ma kanooyaAAmaloonaWhen the suffering reached them from us, why then did they not learn humility? On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them.
Allah however does stamp (as rubbish)/ disapprove what we have in the heart ? if its not good.
4034 (YA) "And to you there came Joseph in times gone by, with Clear Signs, but ye ceased not to doubt of the (Mission) for which he had come At length, when he died, ye said 'No apostle will Allah send after him.' thus doth Allah leave to stray such as transgress and live in doubt,-
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YUSUFALI O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.God Bless All.
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Peace
A seal that god puts cannot be broken.
I disagree. I have seen examples of disbelievers going 180 degrees and turning to God after being hard-hearted .
If god says that Mohammad SAW is the seal of prophets and you are saying that the seal can be broken, then what was the purpose of that verse?
I do not necessarily see it saying "seal" in my personal opinion, but if you're going to say it is "seal" then I note a seal is capable of being popped .
In other words, what that verse is trying to say. Is it sayin Mohammad is the last messenger until I send another one? Is there an end to your twisting Quran?
I guess not if we continue to disagree, which may perhaps incite you to continue to calling my different opinions "twisting". In the meantime I'd ask that you check your tongue lest it continue to slip.
Joe
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The answer is A BIG YES
God does sent (many) messengers, at least to me... and I'm sure to many other people also, including YOU.
As an example
During my "lowest period" (broke, no money, no job etc..)
I "post" a question in my heart on how/what is the nature of God's help. How does He answers my/our call for help.
Around a month later, while I was in the airport, I overhear some of the luggage porter saying this words to his friends.
(he is not in any conversation with me)"God help came in the time of dire need, you cannot expect or forecast it beforehand,
yet it will surely came in the time of dire need, in many forms or ways".To me, this anonymous porter guy is God's messenger.. delivering answer to my question...
And it seems this porter guy never asked me (or anyone else) to "bear witness that he is God's messenger".. ;D
Salam
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If another prophet would come, would this mean that he will bring another book? And all the talk about Quran being complete and perfect would have been a lie??!!!!
Messengers, Yes.
There were and will be as long as we live on this earth. In a way we are the messengers of God. Aren;t we preaching his Word?
Any one can be a messenger of God as long as it doesn't claim it. Than it gets very complicated. Thats why Jesus won't come back. -
If another prophet would come, would this mean that he will bring another book? And all the talk about Quran being complete and perfect would have been a lie??!!!!
Did Abraham bring a book? I must have missed that one.
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And what is this new no book prophet supose to do?Explain the Quran? Kill the swine? Enlighten us about qibla???
Prophets were send becouse people needed them, asked for them, waited for them.
I dont think, today we are in need, asking or waiting for them.A=> Kill the pigs? Strawman. Last one, first one, yes, definitely.
B=> No, people killed off the prophets. They were needed, but they were not asked for or waited for (unless you count the Jews waiting for a psuedo-fictional messiah for some 3000 years)
C=> We are most certainly in need. There are millions of Muslims and very few actually practicing it (not the ritual aspect, I'm thinking of character, the way they act, in effect, not the fact that they bow down 5 times a day - 002177).What did Abraham, a no-book prophet do?
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I can understand your emotional way of thinking, but lets be realistic here.
Those milions of muslims in need of a prophet will not follow anyone claiming prophethood after the "Seal of the Prophets". They together with christians are waiting for Jesus and again they would probably kill in a matter of seconds anyone that would claim that.The question is what would this prophet bring or explain to us that we already don't know?
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Salam.
I believe this verse speaks very clearly Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (Al-Ahzab 3340)
May The Exalted God AllMighty, The Most Powerful, The Most Merciful, The Most High, The Most Just, The Most Wise helps us all, guides us on the Straight Path, protects us all from the evil and especially from the satan the rejected one and gives us more good health, even more patience and extends our knowledge.
Peace.
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most Orthodox Jews believe that the Zohar was given to Abraham.
What about Jacob? Ishmael? Jonah?
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men (Al-Ahzab 3340)
Metaphor? I mean, that would... kill the Shia doctrine if it is literal.
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Metaphor? I mean, that would... kill the Shia doctrine if it is literal.
It is literal, all of the Prophet's (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) sons, Tahir, Qasim, Tayyab, and Abdullah, died in infancy. The idolators, who took pride in having sons, used to ridicule our beloved Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) that he has no sons. So Allah Taala revealed this verse which says that our beloved Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) may not be the father of any men among them, but in extenuation he is the Messenger and Last of Prophets.
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Peace OPF, all,
Did Abraham bring a book? I must have missed that one.
I guess bro OPF did miss that one
8718 This has been revealed in the previous scriptures (suhufi al-oola).
8719 The scriptures (suhuf) of Abraham and Moses."Suhuf" clearly refers to books/scriptures from The God because of its usage for Moses also, and usage of "suhufi al-oola" for the previous scriptures
20133 And they said "If only he would bring us a sign from his Lord!" Did not proof come to them from what is in the previous scriptures (suhufi al-oola) ?
As far as prophet Muhammad is concerned, he is indeed the last prophet (nabi) but not necessarily the last messenger (rasool). One proof of that is the usage of the word "rasool" also for the angels of death who obviously post-date Muhammad
661 And He is the Supreme over His servants, and He sends over you guardians. So that when the time of death comes to one of you, Our messengers (rusuluna) terminate his life, and they do not neglect any.
In 3340, we hear Muhammad being "khaatam" of the prophets but not "khaatam" of the messengers because then it would contradict with 661.
3340 Mohammed was not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of God and the seal/end (khaatam) of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.
From Lane's Lexicon
Kh-Ta-Miim = To seal/stamp/imprint/impress, to secure/protect oneself against a thing, produce an impression or effect upon a thing, reach the end of a thing, cover over a thing, turn away/avoid/shun someone or something, to not understand, prevent the heart from believing, feign heedlessness.
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Peace Alen
I believe this verse speaks very clearly
In my opinion the "stamp" of this office is given in defined parameters if you would take some of this chapter into context.
For example his rights regarding spouses and dependants is given .
There are special circumstances applicable to the nabiyy
-Keeping watch and maintaining stability against the enemies
-AuthorityHe is a guiding beacon bringing good news of blessing from God to Believers, he warns and he witnesses .
Establishes God's commands .
-Shows how God deems a thing to be.They've signed a covenant to be questioned concerning their truth .
They're not to obey the hypocrites and instead follow the Lord who is aware, putting their trust in Him .
Joe