Our Own Country: please vote thanks
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Peace Kurt, all,
I would be interested in any other info that you could offer on your situation. In addition to the questions already asked
How large of a population is on your reservation?
Are there any other Muslim converts aside from yourself?
....On another note, I met a native convert from Canada online a couple of years ago, and she mentioned to me that there were other native Muslim converts that she knew of close to where she lived.
peace
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Peace to all,
David, nope, there are no other Muslims anywhere near where I live, I never even met a "muslim yet". I actually searched pretty hard for awhile to find others and im right next to canada and never found anyone, im not sure who the person was you met or from where.
Someone earlier said it would be silly to try to start a new country from nothing and I agreed that that is impossible, thats why I suggested my proposal, It already is a sovereign nation, with a land base, with a constitution ( i happen to be on the constitution committee now and we are in the process of changing it) we have a population of about 2,000, but only about 1200 actually live on the rez, as I have my entire life. We have a basic infrastructure, buildings, small economy, we make about 4o million a year in revenues, we employ about 800 people most of which are non tribal members. We also have a long history much of which has been forgotten or lost, our tradition and language is virtually dead, our religion is gone, no one practices the traditional native religion of our ancestors and the ones that try dont know what they are supposed to do since its original teachings are lost. Now all we have is a bunch of people who are part Native american, most practice no religion at all, the rest are some form of christianity only by default, since our conquerors gave it to our ancestors its been passed down but no one takes it too seriously. We are a people in dire need of something new and beautiful to restore what we have had taken , destroyed, or lost over the years. Most are either alocoholics, drug addicts, sexually promiscuous, gambling addicts, etc.
It needs a new way of life that I believe Islam can provide, the Quran is the message that my people need and I believe they are longing for without even realizing it.
All we need is some good, honest, truthful people to do some hard work. Anyone can come to our community, anyone can work here, many even live on our rez, so the non members that are infiltrating our community are also slowly tearing us apart, they bring there ways, teachings, traditions, religion, and way of life, we are being displaced with something worse than our own destroyed culture.
Islams the answer,
Muslims Needed
Kurt
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Very interesting jankren. Could you elaborate a little more?
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Peace to all,
ok whatever Jankren, your missing the point, why do we keep bogging ourselves down in trivial details and forget the big picture, evertime someone proposes something new and exciting someone else jumps in and attacks it at the fringes,
maybe its just a dream ive had
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Salaam Ironsky
This is a beauiful dream that most would love if it can be realized
I posted sometime ago some questions. I understand that you were busy responding to other posts and assumed that your replies covered every querry. Well. mine is still there, not yet addressedSalaam Ironsky
This is a very interesting idea, and definitely much better than buying land/island for the obvious reasons you sited.
But I still believe that (correct me if I am wrong) the reservation submits to the federal law of immigration, so you can only have those who are already in America.
Besides, and this is my main point, how would other residents like to have their reservation being a home model for qur'aan alone community? They are the majority. The only way is if they embrace this idea and become quraan aloners/sympathisers themselves. That's how muslim community emerged in its beginning. Or you become yourself the responsible authority and apply the principles of quraan and so they will embrace these principles and we have the community.
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Peace to all,
Sorry Samia, I did forget to respond to you,
Well, yes in a way we do follow the immigration laws with respect to other nations, but internally, once your in america you can enter and live on our rezervation very easily. We actually do have some treaty rights that would allow us to have a seperate foreign policy and different immigration options than other states in america but since we have noone in our community that is aware of these rights or fights for them they are neglected. WE have so many rights and reserved powers as a sovereign that are never used or fought for, there is so much potential to do something good here its hard to believe no one has tried yet.
AS for being a home model for a Quran alone community I didnt mean we would just declare it against the communitys wishes, i meant we would form a community of believers within our community and set an example, we can live, work, marry, raise families and influence others by our deeds, start to teach others that are interested, build a community mosque, etc, give away the Quran and spread the word peacefully,,, believe me, it will spread like wildfire. Eventually we will be the majority, after the truth what is left but falsehood?
We would also organize politically and if elected according to our constittion we can then begin to implement new ideas, we can even re write the constittion to however the majority desires,,,, hopefully we willl have a majority of good people who believe in God,,, if not we will continue to work peacefully until we can be.
I will have more soon,,, law school is kicking my butt right now,
Kurt
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Salams Ironsky
It seems that the same is happening to the native aborigines in Australia.
http//www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/24/093.html
Although I do believe that there are quite a few muslim aborigines, mostly if not all who were propagated to by traditional muslims.
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I'm also interested in IronSky's proposal.
Whereabouts is your place, IronSky?
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Peace to all,
David, nope, there are no other Muslims anywhere near where I live, I never even met a "muslim yet". I actually searched pretty hard for awhile to find others and im right next to canada and never found anyone, im not sure who the person was you met or from where.
Someone earlier said it would be silly to try to start a new country from nothing and I agreed that that is impossible, thats why I suggested my proposal, It already is a sovereign nation, with a land base, with a constitution ( i happen to be on the constitution committee now and we are in the process of changing it) we have a population of about 2,000, but only about 1200 actually live on the rez, as I have my entire life. We have a basic infrastructure, buildings, small economy, we make about 4o million a year in revenues, we employ about 800 people most of which are non tribal members. We also have a long history much of which has been forgotten or lost, our tradition and language is virtually dead, our religion is gone, no one practices the traditional native religion of our ancestors and the ones that try dont know what they are supposed to do since its original teachings are lost. Now all we have is a bunch of people who are part Native american, most practice no religion at all, the rest are some form of christianity only by default, since our conquerors gave it to our ancestors its been passed down but no one takes it too seriously. We are a people in dire need of something new and beautiful to restore what we have had taken , destroyed, or lost over the years. Most are either alocoholics, drug addicts, sexually promiscuous, gambling addicts, etc.
It needs a new way of life that I believe Islam can provide, the Quran is the message that my people need and I believe they are longing for without even realizing it.
All we need is some good, honest, truthful people to do some hard work. Anyone can come to our community, anyone can work here, many even live on our rez, so the non members that are infiltrating our community are also slowly tearing us apart, they bring there ways, teachings, traditions, religion, and way of life, we are being displaced with something worse than our own destroyed culture.
Islams the answer,
Muslims Needed
Kurt
Peace Ironsky,
I'm living in Australia ATM and the aboriginal situation sounds very similar to your peoples. I think it may be even worse here because the government doesn't want to acknowledge the sovereignty of the Aboriginals. I truly believe that both these communities care oppressed by drugs and alcohol and Islam can be a godsend to them. Maybe there is away to uplift both these communities with the Quran? -
Were apointing ambassadors? Can I be one?
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Were apointing ambassadors? Can I be one?
Every monotheist is an ambassador of God and religion...
In the same sense that every tourist is an ambassador for their country of origin.
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I was thinking about this yesterday and I think the main thing I'd wish for if living amongst others in such a community would be that there is a mindfulness that there is something greater than the self and members of such a community strive for that. For me, this is a core life-principle
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Peace Brother Wakas,
I was thinking about this yesterday and I think the main thing I'd wish for if living amongst others in such a community would be that there is a mindfulness that there is something greater than the self and members of such a community strive for that. For me, this is a core life-principle
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12389.0I agree 100% This is how the worker bee does his part to sustain the hive and how the ant contributes to the sustainability of the colony.
In addition to what Wakas said above, one would do better to adopt the slogan of "Duty Before Right".
Salaam,
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Salam,
Hey, I was thinking, if we can buy a land or an island and govern it ourselves with Quranic laws, would you come and help built the country? At least we could show the World, especially to the Muslim world how we live under the divine Quranic law.Your "concept" is similar to those of Zionist.
"if we can buy a land or an island and govern it ourselves with Torah laws, would you come and help built the country?
At least we could show the World, how we live under the divine Torah law."You're planning to "buy" a land which means there are already existing people in it. And it turns out "The Money" is not enough "To Buy The Whole Land", and naturally you'll resort to use force to drive people out of that land in order to uphold the "divine" law. The same thing happened before with Zionism. Yet another form of "SECTARIANISM".
Thus I Voted NO..
Salam
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Salaam Jafar
There are main differences between the "Jewish" dream and the GA dream
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The Jews wanted a specific land/country. God aloners do not have a specific land in their mind. If you scroll through the messages, one of the concerns is that any piece of land would be part of a country. This did not seem to bother the Zionists.
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"Islam" is a preaching system and welcomes converts. Judaism is not, hence they wanted only Jews.
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Zionists did not get a country only through money, but it was a big "international" conspiracy. Buying homes, fields or lands never gets you a country. Who will sell you rivers, forests, mountains, space...? Just look at any one of the Emirates...foreigners are more than the indigenous population and they can buy houses and buildings. Can they take over the whole country?
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There are main differences between the "Jewish" dream and the GA dream
- The Jews wanted a specific land/country. God aloners do not have a specific land in their mind. If you scroll through the messages, one of the concerns is that any piece of land would be part of a country. This did not seem to bother the Zionists.
So ? I don't see any big differences.. you still want "a land for your own sect".
- "Islam" is a preaching system and welcomes converts. Judaism is not, hence they wanted only Jews.
Judaism "welcomed" converts.. Zionism is not... they welcomed "anyone who claimed to be Jews", although scientifically this is so hard to prove.
But the main theme is very much the same "Our Own Country", thus I smell a great scent of "Sectarianism" here..- Zionists did not get a country only through money, but it was a big "international" conspiracy. Buying homes, fields or lands never gets you a country. Who will sell you rivers, forests, mountains, space...? Just look at any one of the Emirates...foreigners are more than the indigenous population and they can buy houses and buildings. Can they take over the whole country?
They did, at least at the beginning... then along the way they realize that they cannot buy rivers forests etc.. and they need more "space".
So they decided to take it..Salam
