Was it Ismail or Isaac??
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Salaam Brothers and Sisters,
Why would God leave a very important detail out of the following verses, the name of the person Ismail or Isaac who was it??
This happens because because God has coded the name of the person within these verses to be Ismail!! Gv of Isaac does not compute..
We gave him good news of a good child.
When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
God Intervenes to Save Abraham and Ismail
We called him "O Abraham.
"You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
That was an exacting test indeed.
We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
The above verses tell us true story of Abraham and his son, but we do not know which son Ismail or Isaac, Quran is talking about. Not to worry his son?s name is coded in the Quran as follows;
The geometric value of Ismail is as follows;
Alif = 1, Seen = 60, Meem = 40, Aan = 70, Yae = 10, Laam = 30 when added together we get 211. Now add the verses above, 101 + 102 + 103 + .. 107 = 728 when you concatenate this information we get number completely multiple of 19, confirming that the son indeed was Ismail.
211 37 728 = 1112512 * 19
Glory be to the Almighty
Regards
Ijaz
Ps Samia these names are from the Quran what do you think now?
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Most probably because the names of the people are 100% irrelevant and 100% useless and 100% likely to lead to idle talk and hero worship and sectarianism. Oh wait, too late!
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Salaam Brothers and Sisters,
Why would God leave a very important detail out of the following verses, the name of the person Ismail or Isaac who was it??Salam ijaz,
You say God left a very important detail out of those verses? Are you talking about the Quran? You know, that Book that is complete and fully detailed... from God.
Silly.
I agree with OPF. It is 100% irrelevant. If it WAS important, it would be in the Quran, spelled out nicely, and this would not be a question. Wait, what am I saying? There are many things spelled out nicely in the Quran that are questioned. Nevermind.
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Fabashsharnahu bighulamin haleemin
37101 So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.Falamma balagha maAAahu alssaAAya qala ya bunayya innee ara fee almanami annee athbahuka faonthur matha tara qala ya abati ifAAal ma tumaru satajidunee in shaa Allahu mina alssabireena
37102 Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said "O my father! Do as thou art commanded thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
Faawjasa minhum kheefatan qaloo la takhaf wabashsharoohu bighulamin AAaleemin
5128 (When they did not eat), He conceived a fear of them. They said, "Fear not," and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge.Qaloo la tawjal inna nubashshiruka bighulamin AAaleemin
1553 They said "Fear not! We give thee glad tidings of a son endowed with wisdom."
Waimraatuhu qaimatun fadahikat fabashsharnaha biishaqa wamin warai ishaqa yaAAqooba
1171 And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed But we gave her glad tidings of ISAAC, and after him, of Jacob.Wabashsharnahu biishaqa nabiyyan mina alssaliheena
37112 And We gave him the good news of ISAAC - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.ISAAC!
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OPF,
Most probably because the names of the people are 100% irrelevant and 100% useless and 100% likely to lead to idle talk and hero worship and sectarianism. Oh wait, too late!
You are obsurt in insuniating that I idolworshiped, can you elaborate how did I do that, or you only full of hot air!!
As regards to names being irrelevant, if they were irrelevant then why so many names are mentioned in the Quran, you are contridicting your own argument!!
Ijaz
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Salaam Dotty,
My question "why God leave out important information was answered by me in the very next sentence, but you deliberately choose to ignore that to make me look a fool.
Believers are honest and good people, however, your behaviour was not of the believer.
Quran is detailed and the detail is also in its methametical codes.
Where did you get that Quran is Complete, it only says complete in truth..
Regards
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OPF,
You are obsurt in insuniating that I idolworshiped, can you elaborate how did I do that, or you only full of hot air!!As regards to names being irrelevant, if they were irrelevant then why so many names are mentioned in the Quran, you are contridicting your own argument!!
Ijaz
I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the raging argument between Christians, Jews and Muslims based on hot air. What I meant was that whoever was born first and "sacrificed" was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
And nun de plume got it anyway.
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I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the raging argument between Christians, Jews and Muslims based on hot air. What I meant was that whoever was born first and "sacrificed" was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
And nun de plume got it anyway.
Right that it?s irrelevant in grand scheme of things and I believe my prior post was a mistake?
Surah 37
100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said "O my father! Do as thou art commanded thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. We called out to him "O Abraham!
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. For this was obviously a trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice
108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times
109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. For he was one of our believing Servants.
112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.Peace ijaz,
The geometric value of Ismail is as follows;
Alif = 1, Seen = 60, Meem = 40, Aan = 70, Yae = 10, Laam = 30 when added together we get 211.
Permutation of the above letters is 6 Factorial! 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720 different names.
Qur?an explains itself without using numbers.
Peace
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"Right that it?s irrelevant in grand scheme of things and I believe my prior post was a mistake?"
It wasn't a mistake, it had evidence
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Peace Ijaz,
750 names can you give some examples of these valid names with mixing the letters? And also these have to be Prophets and Abraham's sons..
Your calculations are ludicorus.
Kind regards
What is a valid name?
When using numbers your only concern is that the letters add up; in this case?Alif = 1, Seen = 60, Meem = 40, Aan = 70, Yae = 10, Laam = 30 when added together we get 211.
Therefore, ANY combination of above letters we get 211.
Same applies to your prior post trying to prove a name NOT mentioned in Qur?an.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14560.0
The geometric value of Aysha is;
Alif = 1, Yae = 10, Sheen = 300, Alif = 1 this equals 312.
AYSA, AYAS, ASYA, ASAY, SAAY, YAAS, etc. = 312.
I?ll leave as an exercise the ludicrous calculation (9! = 362,880) for letters in Rashad Khalifa.
Best regards.
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Salaam DArgento,
did i miss this verse where's the GV in the quran?
You might have but anyway here are the verses;
The Quran's Common Denominator
Over it is nineteen.*
We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.
And the night as it passes.
And the morning as it shines.
One of the Great Miracles
This is one of the great miracles.
This tells us about the miracle of ninteen and its properties, Dr Rashad Khalifa the messenger of the covenant showed us how to use the gv in the Quran and as you know the messengers set precedence for us, hence I use the same technic..
Messengers before you have been rejected, and they steadfastly persevered in the face of rejection. They were persecuted until our victory came to them. Such is GOD's system that will never change. The history of My messengers thus sets the precedents for you.
Kind regards
Ijaz
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Nun De Plume,
You disappoint me. You realy think putting letters any way you want gives you a name, and I thought you knew Arabic and Arabic Grammer.
As you calculated 750 to be the factorial of the number of letters in Ismail, not much more then kid in secondary school will tell you that Ismail is 1 out of 750, ie the probability of Ismail being true is 1/750 or 0.0013333. However since it is multiple of ninteen within those verses it came true that is how God controls every word, letter and sentence in the Quran..
If you think it is easy use Isaac gv and prove it to me that it is also multiple of ninteen with these verses, because it is not!!!
Regards
Ijaz
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Salaam Dotty,
My question "why God leave out important information was answered by me in the very next sentence, but you deliberately choose to ignore that to make me look a fool.
Believers are honest and good people, however, your behaviour was not of the believer.
Quran is detailed and the detail is also in its methametical codes.
Where did you get that Quran is Complete, it only says complete in truth..
Regards
In my heart I was not trying to make you look like a fool. I still feel that the name is irrelevant, but the wording in my post was showing a lot of attitude (I came home after finding damage to my car from a hit and runner... no excuse, just the truth) Anyway, I posted in other threads with an attitude as well and for all of them I apologize. Btw, I am a believer, but sometimes believers also make mistakes, as I proved here and elsewhere.
So I always understood the Quran to be complete... just complete. Is that not correct?
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You say God left a very important detail out of those verses? Are you talking about the Quran? You know, that Book that is complete and fully detailed... from God.
Silly.
I agree with OPF. It is 100% irrelevant. If it WAS important, it would be in the Quran, spelled out nicely, and this would not be a question. Wait, what am I saying? There are many things spelled out nicely in the Quran that are questioned. Nevermind.
Reminded me what my history teacher always emphasized..."sometimes it is not what is being said, but what is not being mentioned" that is important/has meaning...
Everything happends for a reason,... imagine, this whole discussion probably won't occur in this way at this time if Ishamel's name is mentioned in the verse! No misunderstanding, no lessons, no tests would have occured the way it have happened in this discussion.
Every move a chess player made or did NOT make, has a purpose.
Right that it?s irrelevant in grand scheme of things and I believe my prior post was a mistake?
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Peace Ijaz,
You disappoint me...
OK we'll get to the bottom of this...
The geometric value of Ismail is as follows;
Alif = 1, Seen = 60, Meem = 40, Aan = 70, Yae = 10, Laam = 30 when added together we get 211. Now add the verses above, 101 + 102 + 103 + .. 107 = 728 when you concatenate this information we get number completely multiple of 19, confirming that the son indeed was Ismail.
211 37 728 = 1112512 * 19
Why did you use only verses 101-107?
What about verses 100, 108, and the other verses in surah 37?
- "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
- So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.
- Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said "O my father! Do as thou art commanded thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
- So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
- We called out to him "O Abraham!
- "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
- For this was obviously a trial-
- And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice
- And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times
Oh, I get it any kid in secondary school can figure this out. lol
Man seriously, drop the numbers stuff and read Qur?an before you go insane looking for patterns.
Regards
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Everything happends for a reason,... imagine, this whole discussion probably won't occur in this way at this time if Ishamel's name is mentioned in the verse! No misunderstanding, no lessons, no tests would have occured the way it have happened in this discussion.
Every move a chess player made or did NOT make, has a purpose.
I believe things happen for a reason too. I also think God says things and does not say things in the Quran for a reason. One day, Inshalla, we will understand.
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Salaam Nun de plume,
You cannot understand Quran fully without the help of the miracle of 19, it is very much part and parcel of it all.
Peace Ijaz,
OK we'll get to the bottom of this...
Why did you use only verses 101-107?
What about verses 100, 108, and the other verses in surah 37?
Oh, I get it any kid in secondary school can figure this out. lol
Man seriously, drop the numbers stuff and read Qur?an before you go insane looking for patterns.
Regards
I did not use 100 and 108 because it is not part of the story of Ismail and Abraham, I used the verses which were concerning Ismail and Abraham only and quite rightly so..
Let me tell you what these verses say;
"My Lord, grant me righteous children."
And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
As you can see 37100 is taking about "children" not "child" or "son" and the story finishes at 107 and 108 is not part of the story but a reminder that this story is preserved..
I have no problem with finding the codes, in fact it explains the Quranic facts to me and is a sign and living example of God working with our lives.. What kind of signs do you see??
Regards
Ijaz
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Salaam Dotty,
I also think God says things and does not say things in the Quran for a reason. One day, Inshalla, we will understand.
What if this is the reason, why God did not say Ismail's name in these verses because the name was coded in these verses like I demonstrated to you, BUT YOU REJECTED IT!!
Regards
Ijaz