Got som important Questions about Adultery?
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
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impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
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bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
These categories represent at least 30% of any population. Those are the non mu7San.
I should also add to the second category nuns and monk
I got it yay, I got it , yay Your highness! SO !, Do i have the royal permission to accuse the above categories ?
And if you do permit , >D can i start( my accusations )with the last (red one)
And what's "Darbari", if We may ask?
commoners/elite witnessing/attending the Royal court/Darbar, are recognised as Darbaries, hail your highness hail
And may i dare ask one more Question please?
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(big sigh) oufff! Thanks God, you got it at last! bravo
A reward for this big achievement for your likes You are granted more questions (this, of course, does not oblige us to answer them >
I will be a way for today (despite the on-line-green-light), so don't take it as I am ignoring you, or worse, I do not have an answer
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Maybe it's both? A lot of these punishments have more than one single effect. And I think pregnancy outside of marriage would be included, why not?. All you would need is 4 doctors as witnesses, with DNA evidence.
That proves pregnancy but not adultery. Maybe she was raped. Maybe the guy married her and then denied she was his wife.
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Well, think of the
- impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
What gets amputated by an accident in a female to make her impotent confused? and why are they being excluded in 24-4 confused? and if somebody cant have sex , does that mean that we can go on accusing her? brickwall
siki
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
- bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
I should also add to the second category nuns and monks.
! So God has allowed us to throw unfounded > accusation At Red category in an attempt to bring betterment in their agonised lives. o o
) ) '( '(rotfl rotfl brickwall brickwall elektro elektro ignore ignore voodoo voodoo
Your highness try and make use of this giveup , and accept that your response of "offering me to the lions" was an honest mistake ,when i declared your statement as "sweeping"
By the way, accept my appreciation for getting 5 green stars. Congratulations for being crowned as a moderator. bravo bravo
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! So God has allowed us to throw unfounded >D accusation At Red category in an attempt to bring betterment in their agonised lives. o o
No one is allowed to throw any accusations against anybody. You will not throw accusations against these people in the first place, and if one does, the rumour will not live long.
Any way, according to the "chaste" understanding, and since there is no definition for chaste, anyone can accuse any woman and say she is not chaste and that's why she is accused!! See what I mean? This would apply to any other meaning for "mu7sanaat", but here, the difference is that rumours will hardly be issued in the first place. Imagine someone accusing a hermaphrodite of playing around with a man/woman.
By the way, accept my appreciation for getting 5 green stars. Congratulations for being crowned as a moderator.
Thank you! You called me "your majesty" and the next day I have a crown!
You are my sheikh now hailnow
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wow wow
who shifted this thread here after three full pages were posted under general category? and what kind of relevance it has to the topic marriage and divorce?
It took me two days to find this. And who so ever did it , he/she did not have the courtesy to leave a note indicating its destination. I would request any moderator to kindly shift back this thread to its original category, or if it has to be shifted somewhere , it should be placed under "Questions and comments on Quran" category.
siki
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What gets amputated by an accident in a female to make her impotent confused? and why are they being excluded in 24-4 confused? and if somebody cant have sex , does that mean that we can go on accusing her? brickwall
siki
Salaam Subject siki
The cases I gave examples of do not apply only to females. e.g a blocked vagina does not apply to men, and amputee does not apply to women. Subject! I do not think I have to think for you!!
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;D Your highness ! did you hide this thread here?   Oh i see, May i submit humbly? hail This is a gross misuse of your Royal Authority nope
But why did you have to do this ??? OK, I got it ! yes See you muscle in some other thread. >D jedi
siki peace
Hey!! Don't be so quick to accuse me! I did not move it.
And why "some other thread"? What's wrong with "marriage and divorce"? I think it is more appropriate than (what was the previous category?). -
Peace Siki
I moved the thread here because adultery is a marital issue. Next time read the categories before you make your posts. They will be moved without warning sometimes. Often enough you guys are reminded to read the categories before you make posts. Also I moved it after 3 pages because I noticed it then since I've not been on-line frequently.
Joe
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Peace Siki
I moved the thread here because adultery is a marital issue. Next time read the categories before you make your posts. They will be moved without warning sometimes. Often enough you guys are reminded to read the categories before you make posts. Also I moved it after 3 pages because I noticed it then since I've not been on-line frequently.
Joe
Peace joe
) Me and samia were thrashing out the meaning of an ayat, and were trying to sort out "Mohsinnats", "false accusation" , "fornication" etc, which i suppose has no connection with Marriage or divorce, moreover I just wanted to bring The Topic, "Can a muslimah marry a non muslim?" to your kind attention, It is loitering in the general section for quite some time now, and i suppose, you are, around this time.
handshake no hard feelings brother
peace
siki
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Proposing an alternative understanding
Spirit of the laws regulating sexuality avoiding associated pain and trouble that might come as a result. Anything that goes beyond is a non-Quranic restriction on liberties, whatever our own moral view on them.
'afeef in Arabic can be translated not just as "chaste", but also as "clean" => Open to interpretation.
Zina is adultery, so it doesn't cover extra-marital sex. Many include fornication, but that's an addition. Extra-marital sex is not covered by the Quran; in support of this interpretation, see traditions which allowed nikah urfi/misya/mut'a, which if we don't split hairs, are equivalent to any normal non matrimonial relationship in the Western world today. Thus extra-marital sex is not forbidden.
Adultery Are consenting swingers adulterers? They probably don't consider themselves to be so, and they're not doing any harm to anyone. The law doesn't apply to them (remember, the spirit of the law, your reason is there to understand it). Same for pornstars.
The lashes and the four witnesses now lashes are serious business. Hence the need for four witnesses. Assuming all conditions are met for the punishment, the spirit of the law primes (again), and to understand it and apply it, we need the context lashes might have been appropriate then, they're not now, punishment of an equivalent value (e.g. prison, fine, whatever is deemed both equivalent and acceptable lest you want to turn any civilized person away from the way of God). Mind you, words themselves can be redefined, especially in a legal context. E.g. when the French civil code speaks of the king or chariot, it means the president or a car. The same can be done for lashes.
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Salam David_K. The claim that there exists prohibitions against adultery in the Quran is false.
The words zani wa zanit in the Quran, from which the root zan and zinah are extracted, and incorrectly claimed to be adultery, are in fact of an Aramaic root. In Aramaic zani was zanit mean prostitute and prostitutee.
Therefore a discussion of adultery is moot. Ther verses are prohibitions on prostitution, not adultery.
Allah taught man the names of all things.
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Salam David_K. The claim that there exists prohibitions against adultery in the Quran is false.
The words zani wa zanit in the Quran, from which the root zan and zinah are extracted, and incorrectly claimed to be adultery, are in fact of an Aramaic root. In Aramaic zani was zanit mean prostitute and prostitutee.
Therefore a discussion of adultery is moot. Ther verses are prohibitions on prostitution, not adultery.
Really?
241-3 the woman and the man guilty of prostitution?
the prostitute man does not marry except the prostitute woman? nopeWala taqraboo alzzina innahu kana fahishatan wasaa sabeelan
1732 And do not approach/near the adultery/fornication, that it truly was/is an enormous/atrocious deed, and a bad/evil/harmful way/path.Zina encompasses all fahisha including prostitution.
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Salam nun de plume. Allah does not say "zina encompasses all fasiha including prostitution" That is your invention.
Allah says in Al Israa 1732 And do not go near prostitution it is shameful and an evil way.
The translation of this word is an example of how the original meaning of zani which is prostitution has been confused by slang. A good example of this is the word bad in english, which is now used in slang to mean good. Current usage of the word zina in Arabic is a slang derivative of the original meaning of the word for prostitution.
This is why even a native Arabic speaker must be cautious when translating because native Arabic speakers are schooled in current usage of Arabic words, and generally not schooled in the usage of Arabic words at the time of the revelation of the Quran. The word zani has no Arabic root, it has an Aramaic root, and in Aramaic the definition is unambiguous, zani is defined as prostitute.
The question is, is adultery a fasiha? Allah established many wives for a man which is not a fasiha. Adultery is a married man engaging in sexual relations with anyone other than his singular wife. A momin who has four wives is an adulterer by the definition of adultery. Therefore it is clear that adultery is not a fasiha.
Allah knows all the names.