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    amuslim
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    Peace,

    You are all more knowledgeable than me on this study but my own opinion at the time would be that anything is possible. Arent we an evolution from mud and water?

    Peace

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      Please take time to read the whole article

      Article on Evolution in the Quran

      http//19.org/index.php?id=91,415,0,0,1,0

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        Peace Arnold Yasin,

        Please take time to read the whole article

        Article on Evolution in the Quran

        http//19.org/index.php?id=91,415,0,0,1,0

        Very great article, thank you for sharing it. May God increase your knowledge. I have one question however. What on the issue of Adam choosing Free Will? How did that come into play in your opinion? Forgive me for not knowing the ayat, I cant seem to find it, but it says something to the degree of "the mountains, etc. not choosing free will but the human being was arrogant and chose it".

        Wa Salaam

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          Peace "amuslim",

          Peace Arnold Yasin,

          Very great article, thank you for sharing it. May God increase your knowledge. I have one question however. What on the issue of Adam choosing Free Will? How did that come into play in your opinion? Forgive me for not knowing the ayat, I cant seem to find it, but it says something to the degree of "the mountains, etc. not choosing free will but the human being was arrogant and chose it".

          Wa Salaam

          JK- Allow me to share my opinion on this issue. We humans evolved a unique consciousness unlike other animals which on one hand can lead us to very scientiifc and rational understandings of the natural world but on the other hand also be extremely chaotic and testing and trying out all sorts of things even if we know they might be dangerous. Spiritualism IMHO is one such behaviour which is deviant rom the laws of nature but due to the also evolved complexity of our brain and the volatility which comes with it at this stage, we tend to also engage in wishful thinking, thus once again deviating from what should rationally be done considering the natural environment which we live in and/or that which may be done in others still be investigated. GOD Bless!

          P.s Free will as usually defined by religious people does NOT exist. If free will applies to currently unpredictable behaviour or that which would always be difficult for humans to predict, then the definition is reasoble and valid.

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            amuslim
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            Peace Jonny_K,

            Peace "amuslim",

            JK- Allow me to share my opinion on this issue. We humans evolved a unique consciousness unlike other animals which on one hand can lead us to very scientiifc and rational understandings of the natural world but on the other hand also be extremely chaotic and testing and trying out all sorts of things even if we know they might be dangerous. Spiritualism IMHO is one such behaviour which is deviant rom the laws of nature but due to the also evolved complexity of our brain and the volatility which comes with it at this stage, we tend to also engage in wishful thinking, thus once again deviating from what should rationally be done considering the natural environment which we live in and/or that which may be done in others still be investigated. GOD Bless!

            P.s Free will as usually defined by religious people does NOT exist. If free will applies to currently unpredictable behaviour or that which would always be difficult for humans to predict, then the definition is reasoble and valid.

            So am I mistaken that the Quran says that Adam chose Free Will?

            3372 Verily, We did offer the trust to the heavens, and the earth, and the mountains but they refused to bear it because they were afraid of it. Yet man took it up - for, verily, he has always been prone to be most wicked, most foolish.

            Inna AAaradna alamanata AAala alssamawati waalardi waaljibali faabayna an yahmilnaha waashfaqna minha wahamalaha alinsanu innahu kana thalooman jahoolan

            Peace

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              Peace "amuslim",

              Peace Jonny_K,

              So am I mistaken that the Quran says that Adam chose Free Will?

              3372 Verily, We did offer the trust to the heavens, and the earth, and the mountains but they refused to bear it because they were afraid of it. Yet man took it up - for, verily, he has always been prone to be most wicked, most foolish.

              Inna AAaradna alamanata AAala alssamawati waalardi waaljibali faabayna an yahmilnaha waashfaqna minha wahamalaha alinsanu innahu kana thalooman jahoolan

              Peace

              JK- This verse doesnt talk about free-will but IMO of taking the responsiblity and so it was granted to us. Free-will as i said needs to be deifined properly before anything can be siad regarding it. What do you mean by it? If you mean "making choices which othe humanss couldnt/cannot predict", well then the higher animals too have free-will. GOD Bless!

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                Peace Jonny_k

                Peace "amuslim",

                JK- This verse doesnt talk about free-will but IMO of taking the responsiblity and so it was granted to us. Free-will as i said needs to be deifined properly before anything can be siad regarding it. What do you mean by it? If you mean "making choices which othe humanss couldnt/cannot predict", well then the higher animals too have free-will. GOD Bless!

                Some say that Free Will is in regards to choosing to follow God or not. Humans seem to be the only ones with this trait, as all other animals/plants/bodies are subservient to God. I do agree however with the notion of responsibility. In the Bible in Genesis, it says that we have dominion over the earth, and from what I read from the original meaning, is that we are guardians over this earth. Your interpretation of that verse makes sense though.

                Peace

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                  Peace Jonny_k

                  Some say that Free Will is in regards to choosing to follow God or not. Humans seem to be the only ones with this trait, as all other animals/plants/bodies are subservient to God.

                  JK- Yes in that sense it is true as humans have evolved to the conscious level where they can recognize GOD, the Light of the heavens and earth, the Quantum Field, and "choose" either to follow Him or not. However ultimately this choice depends on action and reaction of neural firing in the brain, too. GOD Bless!

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                    http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6937476.stm

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                      Peace to everyone,

                      Here is a press conference transcript that Harun Yahya had on the 5 August 2007.
                      http//www.harunyahya.com/new_releases/news/070805_pressconference.php

                      Peace,

                      Ali

                      Edit forgot to post the link

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                        http//rationalrevolution.net/articles/darwin_nazism.htm

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