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Aidid Safar on Hajj Verse 22:25~30

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    Salamun Aalaikum.

    I was reading Aidid Safar's Arab conspiracies on the Hajj topic and trying to make sense of his translation of 2225~30. Therefore I broke up the Arabic words in this verse and try to correlate with the translation given by Aidid.

    Indeed some of the words translation was explained by Aidid in his book (e.g Bait = System), however there are some words in his translation are not justified or without any reference(to my knowledge), some are also left out from his "literal" translation.

    Here I compare the translation of Aidid with my personal translation with the reference of dictionary and a translation in my local language. I have bolded Aidid's translation which i could not find any reference. Therefore i urge brothers and sisters to verify and Aidid's and my translation and point to me if i did some error in my translation

    1st row is a transliteration 2nd row is Aidid's translation, 3rd row is mine

    Aidid
    2225 Indeed those who disbelieve and they prevent others from the sanctioned submission (masjidil-harami) which was set for mankind to be devoted equally that is very apparent. And whosoever introduces in it any wickedness We will make him suffer the retribution.

    Literal;
    2225 Indeed those who disbelieve and hinder from the way of God and the Forbidden Mosque which we made for mankind equal (to) the devoted in it and the visitors and whosoever intends therein of deviation with wrongdoings, We make him taste of a painful punishment

    Inna -Indeed -Indeed
    Al-lazina -those who -those who
    Kafaru -disbelieve -disbelieve
    Wa yusudduna -and they prevent -and hinder
    ?an -from -from
    sabili -? -way
    Allah -? -God
    Wa Masjidil -submission - and the mosque
    Haram -the sanctioned - forbiden
    Al-lazi -which -which
    Ja?alnahu -was set -we made/put in
    Linnasi -for mankind -for mankind
    Sawa?a -equally -equal
    Al-akifu -devoted -the devoted/resident
    Fihi -?? -in it
    Walbadi - that is very apparent -and the visitors (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Waman -and whosoever -and whoever
    Yurid -introduces -intends (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Fihi -in it -therein
    Bi?ilhadin -? -of deviation
    Bizulmin -any wickedness -with wrongdoings
    Nuziqhu -We will make him -We make him taste
    Min azabin -suffer -of a punnishment
    Alimin -the retribution -painful

    Aidid
    2226 And when We settled for Abraham a place in the system (We said to him), ?You shall not associate Me with anything, keep My system (bayti-ya) cleansed for the groups of people who are upright and humble in submission?.

    Literal
    2226 And when We assigned to Abraham site (of) the House, that ?(Do) not associate with Me anything and purify My House for those who circumbulate, and those who stand and those who bow, those who prostrate.

    2226
    Wa-iz -and when -and when
    Bawwa?na -We settled -We assigned
    Li?ibrahima -for Abraham -to Abraham
    Makana -a place -site
    Al-baiti -in the system -the House (comment Where does "in" comes from?)
    An -? -that
    La -shall not -Not
    Tusyrik -you associate -associate
    Bi -with me -with me
    Syai?an -anything -anything
    Wa tahhir -clensed -and purify
    Baytiya -My System -My house
    Litta?ifina -for the groups of people -for those who circumbulate (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Walwa?imina -who are upright -and those who stand
    Warrukka?i -and humble -and those who bow
    As-sujudi -in submission -those who prostrate (commentwhere does "in" comes from?)

    Aidid
    2227 And announce to the people with the challenge that was given to you as man and upon every responsible individuals that was given from every resource enormously

    Literal
    2227 And proclaim to mankind to the pilgrimage, they will come to you walking and on every lean animals , they come from every mountain highway distant

    2227
    Wa azzin -and announce -and proclaim
    Finnasi -to the people -to mankind
    Bilhajji -with the challenge -to the pilgrimage
    Ya?tuka -that was given to you -they come to you (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Rijalan -as a man -walking (comment where does "as a" comes from?)
    Wa ?ala kulli -and upon every -and on every
    Damirin -responsible individuals -lean/thin animals (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Ya?tina -that was given -they come (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    Min kulli - from every -from every
    Fajjin -resource -mountain highway (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    ?amiqin -enormously -distant

    Aidid
    2228 so that they witness the benefits for them and that they will remember God?s name during the days known to them over whatever provisions (We gave) to them from the animal livestock. Therefore eat from it and feed the needy and the poor.

    Literal
    228 That they may witness benefits for them and they mention (the) name (of) God on days known over what He provided them from them, from animals livestock, so eat from it and feed the miserable, the poor.

    2228
    Liyasyhadu -So that they witness -That they may witness
    Manafi?a -the benifits -benifits
    Lahum -for them -for them
    Wa yazkuru -and that they will remember -and they mention
    Isma -name -name
    Allahi -God -God
    Fiayyamin -during the days -on days/times
    Ma lumatin -known to them -known
    ?ala ma -over whatever -over what
    Razaqahum -to them -He provided them
    Min-bahimati -from the animal -from animal
    Al-an?ami -livestock -livestock
    Fakulu -Therefore eat -so eat
    Minha -from it -from it
    Wa at?imu -and feed -and feed
    Alba?isa -the needy -the miserable
    Al-faqira -and the poor -the poor

    Aidid
    2229 And then they should remove their impurity and they should fulfil their covenants and they should go about with the original system (baytil-ateeq).

    Literal
    2229 Then they should make and end (of) theur impurities and they should fulfill their duties and encircle around at the Ancient House.

    2229
    Summa -and then -Then
    li-yaqdu -they should remove -they should make an end (comment I cannot find any reference for this)
    tafasahum -their impurities -their impurities
    wal yufu -and they should fulfil -and they should fulfill/complete
    nuzurahum -their convenants -their duties/vows
    wal yattawwafu -and they should go about -and encircle around (comment in 2226 was translated as "group of ppl"?
    bil baiti -with the system -at the House
    al-atiqi -orginal -the honoured/ancient (comment I cannot find any reference for this)

    Aidid
    2230 And whosoever honour God?s restrictions it is therefore righteousness for him by His Lord. And permitted upon you the livestock except what has been recited to you and avoid the uncleanness of idol worship and stay away from false utterances.

    Literal
    2230 That and who honour (the) rites (of) God, so it is better for him by his Lord; and lawful for you livestock except what is being recited on you, so avoid obscenity from the idols and avoid falsehood words

    2230
    Zalika -? -That
    Waman -and whosoever -and who
    Yu?azzim -honour -honours
    Hurumati -restrictions -rites
    Allahhi -God -God
    Fahuwa -it is therefore -so it is
    Khairun -righteousness -better
    Lahu -for him -for him
    ?inda -by -by
    Rabbihi -His Lord -his Lord
    Wa uhilat -And permitted -and lawful
    Lakumu -upon you -for you
    Al-an?amu -livestock -livestock
    Illa -except -except
    Ma -what has been -what is being
    Yutla -recited -read/recited
    ?alaikum -to you -on you
    Fajtanibu -and avoid -so avoid
    Ar-rijsa -uncleanness -obscenity/filthy
    Minal ausani -of idol worship -from the idols/idolized
    Wajtanibu -and stay away -and avoid
    Qaula -utterances -word
    Az-zuri -false -falsehood


    Any comments/correction or reference for Aidid's translation is very appriciated

    salam

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      Salaams Loli,

      i would use Qd by Omar;

      2225
      Verily those who disbelieve and hinder from the path (of) Allah and the submission the forbidden which we have made for (all) mankind (are) evil/ wretched the doer and who has ceased/ finished and whoever inclines regarding this, to stray from or to do wrong we will cause him to taste from a torment painful.

      God Bless.

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        Salam Mz,

        i understand this topic is a little bit heavy and thank you for replying

        I understand from your translation you translated Sawa?a = evil/ wretched, im sorry but i dont find this definition in the QD under root Siin-Waw-Ya. May i know your reference?

        besides that, what does your translation meant anyway? just curious because i cant seems to understand the whole meaning of your translation

        salam

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          Salaams loli,

          sorry the dictionary isn?t at hand right know but from burhans it is as follows;

          s-w-A it occurs 76 times in the quran.

          http//www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/burhan/root_browser_main.htm

          And they are missing out this ayah from the above 76 occurrences.

          2225
          Verily those who disbelieve and hinder from the path (of) Allah and the submission the forbidden which we have made for (all) mankind (are) evil/ wretched the doer and who has ceased/ finished and whoever inclines regarding this, to stray from or to do wrong we will cause him to taste from a torment painful.

          simpler version;

          Verily those who disbelieve and hinder from the way of His relationship (described by the attributes) and from applying the laws that forbid (like do not kill or do not commit incest e.t.c) which we have made for mankind are evil indeed ? those who are undertaking such an accomplishment or have already undertaken such an accomplishment???

          but that is just my understanding .

          God Bless All.

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            Salaams loli,

            sorry the dictionary isn?t at hand right know but from burhans it is as follows;

            s-w-A it occurs 76 times in the quran.

            Salam Mz, according to Hanna E Kasis Concordance, the word's root is Siin-Waw-Ya not

            Hence equal is the correct translation. please correct me if im wrong.

            salam

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              Salam Mz, according to Hanna E Kasis Concordance, the word's root is Siin-Waw-Ya not

              Hence equal is the correct translation. please correct me if im wrong.

              salam

              you may be right.......

              God Bless.

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                Salam,

                Is there any Aidid Safar supporters or Aidid safar himself to clear up, why these verses are translated in that way?

                salam

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