Hi an ex-Muslim
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Dear
Welcome.
That is a great story.Would you please give the names of books for the muslims???.I am very eager to study them.'
I will grateful.No, I'm afraid that would give my identity away.
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I would have liked to learn what was the exact cause of the 'turning point'. You mention your fathers death, etc... but I'm not sure what that had to do with 'Islam' as such. I don't mean to belittle those events in any shape or form, I just don't understand, I guess.
One is less likey to question things when one is comfortable and happy within the security of of one's comfort zone. Once those things were taken away I began to question everything much more than I previously did. When September the 11th happened, I found myself questioning Islam more and more. I began to exammine my own beliefs much harder than I had ever done before. I saw things differently for the first time.
I tend to look back to that year as a turning point as it was then that I started having serious doubts.
Before that I was happy to coast along within the security of my family, job and community without questioning my beliefs.
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Peace Cosmicdancer, welcome to the forum )
This sounds horrible but, are you glad about any of those incidences occuring which made you question your beliefs? What I mean is, you were previously 'coasting along' but when those unfortunate things happened it gave you a reason to look deeper. Was it worth it? Would you rather go back? Apologies if I'm prodding where I shouldn't be. Feel free to ignore my questions if they're uncomfortable.
I hope you enjoy your stay here peace
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Dear
Hiding yourself creates a lot of doubts.Why so ??Why so?
So somone doesn't try to kill me.
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Peace Cosmicdancer, welcome to the forum )
This sounds horrible but, are you glad about any of those incidences occuring which made you question your beliefs? What I mean is, you were previously 'coasting along' but when those unfortunate things happened it gave you a reason to look deeper. Was it worth it? Would you rather go back? Apologies if I'm prodding where I shouldn't be. Feel free to ignore my questions if they're uncomfortable.
I hope you enjoy your stay here peace
I'm not glad they happened - but I am glad I have been able to gain a new perspective on my beliefs as a result.
I couldn't go back to the way I was. For me the genie is out of the bottle.
I no longer see the Qur'an as the word of God - but the word of man.
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Peace cosmicdancer,
Are you now comfortable with your beliefs, and in being an "ex-Muslim"?
If so, why are you on this forum? (not meant to be attacking, it is a serious question.)
peace
I am going through a difficult time and feel quite isolated and unsure of where to go next.
I am here because someone invited me to read this forum.
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Peace and welcome, cosmicdancer,
Thank you for sharing your story and fielding questions. If you don't mind one more...
By leaving the religion called "islam", you've essentially left the structure and security of a large group and pretty much isolated yourself. I imagine this has given you tremendous insight into previous pitfalls and thus a keen recognition of future ones. That being said, have you felt an alignment with any existing beliefs/systems/religions, or are you just sort of floating around?Peace,
Tay -
One is less likey to question things when one is comfortable and happy within the security of of one's comfort zone. Once those things were taken away I began to question everything much more than I previously did. When September the 11th happened, I found myself questioning Islam more and more. I began to exammine my own beliefs much harder than I had ever done before. I saw things differently for the first time.
I tend to look back to that year as a turning point as it was then that I started having serious doubts.
Before that I was happy to coast along within the security of my family, job and community without questioning my beliefs.
For some these (type of) incidences would make them angry, or cause them to pull away from their 'faith', while for others it would further strengthen their resolve. I'm guessing for you it was the culmination of those events, perhaps all happening at about the same time... maybe that's what 'tipped you over'? I have spoken to a number of people who tend to look back at 9/11 as their 'turning points'. Turning, in the sense, looking deeper into their religion. Studying more, changing their belief system, etc.
Anyways, I'll step aside here now, but I'd like to invite you to look into threads with 9/11 here.
Peace be with you. )
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I no longer see the Qur'an as the word of God - but the word of man.
Cosmicdancer,
Would you please share
- Why you initially believed that Quran in the word of God.
- Why eventually you changed your position to "Quran is authored by man".
I am not a muslim; but a monotheist. I believe in a God. I dont have any position on Quran however I am analyzing this book so that I could reach a conclusion.
I am interested in listening to your views.
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Hi Tay
floating around?
Floating around is the right word. Questions about where does one get standards of morality, what is right and wrong have been troubling me.
But I have come to the conclusion that human conscience knows these things instinctively - without the need for religion.
Sure we may differ about what is right and wrong.
But so do those who follow religion - even those who follow the 'same' religion differ - sometimes quite wildly.
I'm not sure there are any absolute standards of right and wrong - but if they are I am certainly no worse of struggling to find these without religion.
As for other religions - I am not interested in them at all. The word 'frying pan' and 'fire' come to mind
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Hi Tay
Floating around is the right word. Questions about where does one get standards of morality, what is right and wrong have been troubling me.
But I have come to the conclusion that human conscience knows these things instinctively - without the need for religion.
Sure we may differ about what is right and wrong.
But so do those who follow religion - even those who follow the 'same' religion differ - sometimes quite wildly.
I'm not sure there are any absolute standards of right and wrong - but if they are I am certainly no worse of struggling to find these without religion.
As for other religions - I am not interested in them at all. The word 'frying pan' and 'fire' come to mind
Sorry to intrude, but I completely agree that we know these things instinctively. However, I don't see how that goes against something being from God. In fact, it seems like evidence for that.
Peace
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Cosmicdancer,
Would you please share
- Why you initially believed that Quran in the word of God.
- Why eventually you changed your position to "Quran is authored by man".
I am not a muslim; but a monotheist. I believe in a God. I dont have any position on Quran however I am analyzing this book so that I could reach a conclusion.
I am interested in listening to your views.
If I may I will answer that question when I get back tonight, as it requires more thought.
Bye for now.
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Peace cosmicdancer and all
May I ask all of you a question
If a person is committed to implementing and upholdding following values.
Treating people with justice and equality
Respectting people and there property
Being tolerant and compassionate towards others
Taking responsibility for ones own actions
Working in ethical employment/self employment
Upholding ones commitments
Dealing with others in a peaceful manner
Continuously working to self improve and also if possible helping others to develop
Being generous and charitable towards others
Committed to the principle of Earth care ,People Care , and fare share for all
Being prepared to deffend the above even if it means that you may lose your life
Would you consider them Peaceful (MUSLIM) .
Peace Salim
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Peace Samia
If I may ask you a Question what would change the world dramatically if every body believed in God or every one becomes Peaceful .
Peace Salim
Salaam salgan
That depends on what you mean by (believe in God). I take the prevailing state of humans
If everybody believes in God nothing would change, because many people aready believe in God but do not abide with His laws outcome they are equal to those who neither believe in God nor abide with His laws, and worse than those who do not believe in God but abide with His laws.
If everyone becomes peaceful according to your definitionon the previous post (to which I may answer Yes), I think the world will be very boring. Just like if veryone is young, pretty and rich.