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Project: 'Root List'

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    adley
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    #30

    Salaam Wakas,

    pps - Adley, I couldn't find Daad-Tay-Ra in Lane, Concordance of Quran or Dictionary of Quran either. Its in openburhan though.

    Sucks )
    Now I'm even more curious about it

    =adley=

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      Wakas
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      peace All,

      I have received some encouraging news, a renowned teacher of Arabic has offered to help us with this task.

      We have a small team so far, but the more the better. The time to offer your help is now all you need is a grammar book (e.g. this book) and time.


      Having said that, we are ready to go ahead now.

      What we need to do first is decide on a layout/format to follow. I would like advice on this. I want this to contain all important grammatical information but also be simple to use & understand. I have produced a sample, see the root Saad-Lam-Waw on the following page

      http//www.studyquran.co.uk/18_SAD.htm

      I am open to all suggestions.

      The abbreviation meanings in the sample are as follows

      acc = accusative
      act = active
      f = feminine
      gen = genitive
      impf = imperfect
      impv = imperative
      m = masculine
      n = noun
      neg = negative
      nom = nominative
      pcple = participle
      perf = perfect
      plu = plural
      sing = singular
      vb = verb (followed by a number representing verb form, e.g. II / 2)

      We may use Arabic text with tashkeel/diacritical markings, rather than in the sample.


      Wakas

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Wakas
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        #32

        PRL update

        Preliminary grammar information has now been added for every word in The Quran.

        Due to request, a downloadable zipped file is now available so you can use PRL offline
        http//studyquran.org/click_PRLonline_to_start.zip

        To participate, contact
        http//www.studyquran.co.uk/infoATstudyquran.jpg

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          nadeem
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          #33

          Keep it up, wakas!

          You're essential for the spread of enlightenment!

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            unknownuser
            wrote on last edited by
            #34

            Salaam bro Wakas,

            The link to Lane's Lexicon, volume 3, page # 391 under the root zay-ra-ayn is not working.

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              Wakas
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              peace bro Tanveer,

              It has now been corrected.

              Thanks.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Wakas
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                #36

                Update

                Project Root List now has classical Arabic meanings listed for 99% of roots used in Al Quran
                www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                Detailing and refining of listed meanings and grammar info will now follow.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Mazhar
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                  #37

                  Dear Brother Waqas,

                  No doubt about your sincerity in imparting and making access to knowledge about Arabic to facilitate understanding the Quran for maximum number of people. But after seeing couple of pages, I find meanings of the few words emanating from different roots have been copied from the Lane's Lexicon, eight volumes of which are abundantly available on the net for free download and then pasted; suggesting/title of the project creates an impression as if these are the meanings/concept/perception of the Root.

                  A Root denotes a concept and thought. Lane did not give the concept and thought of the Root. He just orgainzied the Lexicon in accordance with the Root as is done for any Arabic dictionary. He then gave the meanings of different words made from that Root.

                  This project will convey a wrong perception to many people who do not know the ABC of Arabic and result in disservice rather than a service to humanity.

                  If only the meanings of words narrated by Lane are to be given, would it not be the best thing to link the pages of Lane's Lexicon seperately for each Root so that almost all the words could come into the notice of the reader and he would be able to make some understanding about the concept infolded in that Root.

                  Thanks

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                    Wakas
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #38

                    peace,

                    Lane's Lexicon is one of the Classical Arabic lexicons/dictionaries in use in PRL http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                    suggesting/title of the project creates an impression as if these are the meanings/concept/perception of the Root.

                    Perhaps you can clarify where you got this notion from, so that this can be reviewed.

                    This project will convey a wrong perception to many people who do not know the ABC of Arabic and result in disservice rather than a service to humanity.

                    You are the first to state you thought the project is about highlighting the concept/thought of a root. It does not state this anywhere, however, it does make this process more possible, as you implied in your last paragraph

                    If only the meanings of words narrated by Lane are to be given, would it not be the best thing to link the pages of Lane's Lexicon seperately for each Root so that almost all the words could come into the notice of the reader and he would be able to make some understanding about the concept infolded in that Root.

                    Firstly, Lane's Lexicon has already been linked to every root so the reader can research further as you suggest. Secondly, the distribution of PRL will not be limited to the internet
                    http//www.studyquran.co.uk/Projects_page.htm

                    Lastly, PRL is not static, it is a gradual building blocks project, from the foundation up. Your suggestion of citing thought/concept of a root has already been discussed and may be added in the future
                    http//www.quraninstitute.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=26&start=45

                    If you would like to offer your time for this aspect, then please pm me.

                    Thanks.

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Mazhar
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #39

                      Assalamo Alaikum

                      This project will convey a wrong perception to many people who do not know the ABC of Arabic and result in disservice rather than a service to humanity. {Mazhar}

                      You are the first to state you thought the project is about highlighting the concept/thought of a root. It does not state this anywhere, however, it does make this process more possible, as you implied in your last paragraph{Waqas}

                      This seems to have been registered

                      Lastly, PRL is not static, it is a gradual building blocks project, from the foundation up. Your suggestion of citing thought/concept of a root has already been discussed and may be added in the future
                      http//www.quraninstitute.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=26&start=45 {Waqas}

                      I had noticed this from

                      Project Root List now has classical Arabic meanings listed for 99% of roots used in Al Quran

                      Kindly get the two links refreshed since it did not open.

                      I have added this link ?quraninstitute? in list of my favorites. I would love to spare time for the work you assign to me; after 9th Sep since marriage of my son is fixed on that date. Thanks, and looking forward to work for good cause, InshaAllah.

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                        Wakas
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #40

                        peace,

                        The links work fine for me, I just checked them.

                        I would love to spare time for the work you assign to me; after 9th Sep since marriage of my son is fixed on that date. Thanks, and looking forward to work for good cause, InshaAllah.

                        Simply email me once free info @ studyquran.co.uk (no spaces)

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          wildguest1956
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                          #41

                          Hello,

                          I think this paragraph is mistaken

                          = Lam-Ha = To change colour, become visible, scorching one, broad table or plate, tablet.

                          LL, V7, p 180, 181

                          The words are correctly quoted at the root Lam-Waw-Ha.

                          Peace

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                            Wakas
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #42

                            Now corrected, thanks.

                            PRL Update Formatting is currently being re-considered to include a short translation to highlight where the word occurs in a verse. See Saad-Ayn-Dal as a suggested example. Feedback welcome.

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              wildguest1956
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #43

                              jibillah n.f. 26184, 3662

                              i think in 3662, it is not jibillah, but jibill

                              peace

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                                Jack
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #44

                                Peace bro Wakas,

                                Tawaffa is not listed. Ta Waw Fa.

                                2281 is an example, If you want to verify the root.

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                                  Wakas
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                                  #45

                                  peace,

                                  JM, thanks, it's been corrected now.

                                  HMD, the word is "tawaffa" but the root is "Waw-Fa-Ya". "ta" is often a prefix.

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    uq
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                                    #46

                                    Salam,

                                    Dear Wakas,

                                    I skimmed through the Project Root List and was very impressed by what has been achieved so far. Would you by any chance need an extra pair of hands for this project? Can I help in any way?

                                    If so, where would i start?

                                    Regards

                                    Usamah

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                                      Wakas
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #47

                                      peace,

                                      Thanks for your kind words.

                                      It is a group effort, so I am always looking for people to help. It is very easy to contribute. Send me an email

                                      http//www.studyquran.co.uk/infoATstudyquran.jpg

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        bkanwar2
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                                        #48

                                        Waqas, sorry I did not open this thread until now, shame on me. Please let me know if you are still short of funds for above mentioned need. Please you could email me privately on my email address. This is one of the most important project that needs to be completed as soon as possible. Whatever little I can do to help, I will.

                                        Badar

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                                          Wakas
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #49

                                          Badar, I have sent you an email.
                                          http//www.studyquran.co.uk/Projects_page.htm

                                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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