what am i supposed to say?
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You're not supposed to say anything. Your thoughts, actions, and most importantly, your intentions will speak for you.
ok, good answer, my actions and intentions, ok, lets see how that would go
lets say i follow bosnian translation of the quran, says to cut off hands of thieves, to beat my wife, to follow the messenger (which i'll understand as following what he did and said in hadith, which is pretty bad things sometimes),
and i come on judgement day with a record in cutting hands of people and beating my wife and so on... which is wrong apparently...and by then it's too late, so what should i say 'i'm sorry God, i thought You said i have to do that, this guy translated it like that, i thought he knew arabic, how was i supposed to know'
so if that guy translated it wrong, how do i know who translated it right?
they all say they understand arabic -
Peace
Peace nerspi,
If you were the person to cut off the hands of thieves and beat your wife, do you think you could remain "peaceful" and in harmony with God?
I dont mean to intrude but Id thought Id ask. If that was the case, then everyone wouldnt be able to get to heaven because we all follow a different path in different ways. For example, he could just say "God commanded me to do it, so I do it", "You shouldn't disobey God, God knows what you do not know", etc. Again, we all have our faults, so to say if you remain "peaceful" with God, you would basically need to live in seclusion to accomplish that.
Peace
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What I am going to say on judgement day, I'll meet the greatest philosopher in existance, im going ot have a million questions.
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Nerpsi, according to Muhammad, you will taste the punishment regardless. The entire world is doomed. Can't get any scarier than this, LOL. Just live in fear and everything shall be alright but make sure you do a lot of hail.
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well, I think that if you HONESTLY try to do what will benefit and be good for people and humanity, AND that you also HONESTLY ask God for an ever better understanding of things, then you are pretty safe. It is important that you WISH for, PRAY for, and WANT to have the knowledge to do what is right, proper, just, fair, constructive and good as far as God is concerned... REGARDLESS of what s.c. scholars claim.
I might be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that anyone who has some softness and fear of God in his/her heart would cut off hands of thieves, ruining their lives, or beat their wives. Such things simply won't bring anything positive. It won't make anything better. I think that if you are sensible enough, you wont be convinced into doing cruel things, despit what hateful and miserable scholars are saying that God has ordered. Don't be a slave! Use you own mind! There is no need to put blind faith into others! Listen to your heart.
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A sunni friend once said "No, i won't read that, because it will make me doubt about my beliefs in Allah."
Hey, isn't doubt a first step to get to the truth? I know that when i'm doubting, i will immediatly be curious as about what is wrong whith what i just saw.
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yosemite,
yes, this is a classical case of FEAR. People desperately hold on to their beliefs in a cramp becasue they are in a state of fear. This fear is however unfounded. Opening your mind and letting new exposure come in will only help you in identifying the truth. Remaining blind won't do any good. Stagnation is spiritual death. God writes that the blind is indeed not like the seeing. If people just relax and let go of the fear they have, God will shower them with progress. This fear by the way is not from God, it is usually programmed through the culture and community since childhood.
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yes, this is a classical case of FEAR. People desperately hold on to their beliefs in a cramp becasue they are in a state of fear. This fear is however unfounded. Opening your mind and letting new exposure come in will only help you in identifying the truth. Remaining blind won't do any good. Stagnation is spiritual death. God writes that the blind is indeed not like the seeing. If people just relax and let go of the fear they have, God will shower them with progress. This fear by the way is not from God, it is usually programmed through the culture and community since childhood.
I'll have to wee bit disagree with you here. When one carefully studies and contemplates on the "god" of religion and after reading the Quran several times over again, it portrays two extreme scenarios in opposition while accentuating and articulating only on one. From my personal perspectives, the god or gods of religions has always been a physical one, from polytheistic to monotheistic, the foundation being the same. For me then, this image is only a figment of imagination and this acuteness has reverborated and absorbed all kinds of stories to bring about extraterrestial phenomenon of FEAR, where denial and deception has taken its toll. Just my 2 cents. -
Peace amuslim,
If that was the case, then everyone wouldnt be able to get to heaven because we all follow a different path in different ways. For example, he could just say "God commanded me to do it, so I do it", "You shouldn't disobey God, God knows what you do not know", etc. Again, we all have our faults, so to say if you remain "peaceful" with God, you would basically need to live in seclusion to accomplish that.
My understanding is not about what people say, but about the result of one's actions and intentions. We are asked not to follow that which we cannot verify. Therefore, that which we can verify must be analyzed in it's effect upon us. Every action and intention produces a mental and/or physical result within us.
Now I wonder if there's a sane man on this planet who attains peace while beating his wife. Is that not the true litmus test?
Peace,
Tay