Can anybody answer these simple questions ??

Leoxyz

You believe the voices in your head ? the whispers, the whispers? >D

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Hadith are facts? LOL

I believe in Quran and My Quran oders for "I3aat ur Rasool".
You might be having some tampered version of Quran from a Quranist.

SatanHatesMe

yes research is very difficult for "Quranists".
They hide the verses arabic text so that they can extract the meaning of their liking and people should believe blindly.Sorry I do not follow this style .I believe in Facts not on hearsay.

Say it again Leoxyz!!!
Yet GOD NEVER prohibit verifiable information!!!

1736
You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

There is no harm seek history, past narrations, science, mathematics, etc for information.

Leoxyz

Say it again Leoxyz!!!
Yet GOD NEVER prohibit verifiable information!!!

1736
You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

There is no harm seek history, past narrations, science, mathematics, etc for information.

You go through posts and verify how many of them contain arabic text of Quran .
They either give
-Reference
-Transliteration
-Translation (tampered usually)
They hide actual text .Why ?

warner

Say it again Leoxyz!!!
Yet GOD NEVER prohibit verifiable information!!!

1736
You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

There is no harm seek history, past narrations, science, mathematics, etc for information.

Salaam Brother

But the history and the narrations these guys so stoically adhere to is completely devoid of any mathematics or science. Maybe hadeeth guys can invent their own math code to verify hadeeth.

unknownuser

You go through posts and verify how many of them contain arabic text of Quran .
They either give
-Reference
-Transliteration
-Translation (tampered usually)
They hide actual text .Why ?

You go through posts and verify how many of them are English, and more importantly, how many of them are on the "internet", an international network now used by civillians to spread information, originally invented by the Kuffar West while Holy Blessed Muslims (PBUH) were pre-occupied with the importance of beard trimmings and the "creationism" debate (as in whether the Quran was created or not).

As long as there is a reference to the Quranic verses, there is absolutely no justification for your own laziness.

Leoxyz

As long as there is a reference to the Quranic verses, there is absolutely no justification for your own laziness.

I agree
The quranic verses should be copy pasted in the post.People who do not do this ,in fact are showing laziness.
Please my dear friend.
Why do you bring traditionalists in? I am also against them.
I have not been to understand ,I do not mention hadeeths,you people drag them in.Have I ever supported any traditionalist?
Please in future be nice to me by not mentioning them.
I dislike any person who tries to
-Tamper the Quran
-Tamper the teachings of the Holy Prophet
So simple.

unknownuser

I agree
The quranic verses should be copy pasted in the post.People who do not do this ,in fact are showing laziness.
Please my dear friend.
Why do you bring traditionalists in? I am also against them.
I have not been to understand ,I do not mention hadeeths,you people drag them in.Have I ever supported any traditionalist?
Please in future be nice to me by not mentioning them.
I dislike any person who tries to
-Tamper the Quran
-Tamper the teachings of the Holy Prophet
So simple.

Yes, clearly so. As for the verses, a lot of the time the entire post is riddled with references, and it would take far, far more time to post each reference than for the reader to simply open their Quran to the page and read. I wonder if you ask for this on IRC channels

Why do you bring traditionalists in? I am also against them.

Dear, I have never brought in traditionalists. I have only pointed out that Holy Blessed Muslims (RA) have spent more time in the 9th century than in the 21st. And people say time travel is impossible.

I dislike any person who tries to
-Tamper the Quran
-Tamper the teachings of the Holy Prophet

I also go further and dislike

Anyone who fails to acknowledge their mistakes and causes diversionary arguments
Any hypocrite who asks others for reference but does not bring his own
Anyone who refers to a human being as "Holy"

So simple.

Leoxyz

Anyone who refers to a human being as "Holy"

So simple.

So the word "Holy" in the "Holy prophet" phrase stings you.
Is it really so painful.? I am sorry I did not know.
But what can I do .At least He is our Holy Prophet.
Can you show me any Prohibition of using word Holy in the Holy Quran?? Go for another tampering.
So any talk about the Holy Prophet must be very painful for you.
Do you need some doctor if problem is sever ?

unknownuser

So the word "Holy" in the "Holy prophet" phrase stings you.
Is it really so painful.? I am sorry I did not know.
But what can I do .At least He is our Holy Prophet.
Can you show me any Prohibition of using word Holy in the Holy Quran?? Go for another tampering.
So any talk about the Holy Prophet must be very painful for you.
Do you need some doctor if problem is sever ?

I advise you to open up an English dictionary and find "holy" in it. You may be surprised...

Please remember that Jesus is the "Holy Son of God" according to Nazarenes.

So, I do not need a doctor, but you need to add a dictionary of English to that extensive shopping list.

Also, there is no question of a "Holy Prophet" unless you are referring to Abraham.

Leoxyz

I advise you to open up an English dictionary and find "holy" in it. You may be surprised... )

Please remember that Jesus is the "Holy Son of God" according to Nazarenes.

So, I do not need a doctor, but you need to add a dictionary of English to that extensive shopping list.

Also, there is no question of a "Holy Prophet" unless you are referring to Abraham.

By the way ;
Do you know the difference between
-To teach a book
-To give a book
are as brainless as who do not know .

unknownuser

By the way ;
Do you know the difference between
-To teach a book
-To give a book
are as brainless as who do not know .

I wasn't involved in that argument )

Leoxyz

I wasn't involved in that argument )

Then Sorry
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ade_cool

Salam all,

Please have a look at this verse 4615.
(Notice that it covers the same subject as 1723)

Samia, I am not saying that the command is for the prophet alone and not relevant to us. BIG NO!. I am questioning the ahlul hadith here why they suddenly exclude the prophet in the singular "you" in verse 1723. The prophet was the first to receive the revelations so why suddenly he is being excluded? If the reason is because by not excluding the prophet, quran will contradict hadiths then that is really biased approach to quran. We should read quran first and then read hadiths in light of quran and NOT the other way around (read hadiths first and try to interpret quran in such a way to fit hadiths).

Samia

Salam all,

Samia, I am not saying that the command is for the prophet alone and not relevant to us. BIG NO!.

Salaam ade

Of course that's not what I meant. It seems that sometimes I remember people's posts more than they do ;D. I was referring to this

And then at the age of forty, he became the prophet after receiving the revelations for the first time. And ever since the prophet received revelations, he taught it to the people until he died at the age of around sixty.

That is from my memory. And if you want references, there are many out there such as
http//www.cyberistan.org/islamic/muhammad.html

That's why I was confused ( confused) at Leoxyz's comment to that post (which seems now you shared the same understanding with him), which I found off point; but that was Leoxyz.

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace hlatif and everyone,

Since you all use logic in understanding the Qur'an, then how come you cannot agree on anything related to the simplest Qur'anic statements of Salat HAJJ and so on. True logic does not lead to disunity. It leads to unity. What you got then is poor understanding or poor logic or both.

It seems that most of those who can't agree on anything are new members in FM. On the other hand, it seems that most of those who are long term members agree on many things.

Perhaps the reason why many new members can't agree on much is because they have little knowledge regarding the teachings of the Quran. There is a quote by Bruce Lee which goes like this

"Put every great teacher together in a room, and they'd agree about everything; put their disciples in there and they'd argue about everything."

huruf

Peace hlatif and everyone,

It seems that most of those who can't agree on anything are new members in FM. On the other hand, it seems that most of those who are long term members agree on many things.

Perhaps the reason why many new members can't agree on much is because they have little knowledge regarding the teachings of the Quran. There is a quote by Bruce Lee which goes like this

"Put every great teacher together in a room, and they'd agree about everything; put their disciples in there and they'd argue about everything."

Great quote.

As to the gist of this thread, I must say also that I can't see anything wrong with not agreeing on everything or even inmany things. Of it is something that each person can do or think without opressing others, what is the problem? I can't see the problem. Disagreement is a fact of life and the source of much thought. It is quarrelsomeness that is a problem not respectful disagreement.

And disagreement is by far much bettr than imposition and forcing things on people who cannot see their point and find them objectionable.

In fact going by our friend Bruce Lee quote there is nothing wrong with puils disagreeing provided they know and acknowledge that they are just pupils, not masters.

An in front of God we are all pupils.

Salaam

YAMU

Salam all, I have been doubtful about the life of Prophet Muhammad when he received the revelation and faced his companions if his companions asked him to make clear about the verses. I believed that there were companions couldn't understand clearly about some verses and needed the Prophet explain it it. However, in my point of view, I think that the prophet should explain to them, and would be model, and performed among companions. Later on the practice of the Prophet was told to many companions so called Prophetic tradition. Wallahu'alum, Allah has known best.