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Love, not knowledge leads to God?

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    unknownuser
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    Peace amuslim,

    My question is is Love the actual translation of the word used or just one that they associated with it? I used this Quran Search for it

    http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

    Love is a term hard to define and many forms of love/like are in Qur'an...

    Following (42) reference(s) seem to be matching with the phonetics of your query "YUHIBB"

    ? Al-Baqara (The Cow) >
    ? Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)>
    ? An-Nisa (The Women)
    ? Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)
    ? Al-A'raf (The Heights)
    ? Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War)
    ? At-Tauba (The Repentance)
    ? An-Nahl (The Bee)
    ? Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)
    ? Al-Nour (The Light)
    ? Al-Qasas (The Narration)
    ? Ar-Rum (The Romans)
    ? Luqman (Luqman)
    ? Ash-Shura (The Consultation)
    ? Al-Hujurat (The Dwellings)
    ? Al-Hadid (Iron)
    ? Al-Hashr (The Gathering)
    ? Al-Mumtahinah (The Examined One)
    ? As-Saff (The Row)
    ? Al-Insan (Man)

    Love can be negative in that people worship/love many idols; money, power, family, nation, priests/mullahs, one?s perceived knowledge/intellect, ?look at me" self love attention seekers, etc.

    al-Baqarah (The Cow) 293 -- can be thought of as they were filled with idolization.


    Wa-ith akhathna meethaqakum warafaAAna fawqakumu alttoora khuthoo ma ataynakum biquwwatin waismaAAoo qaloo samiAAna waAAasayna waoshriboo fee quloobihimu alAAijla bikufrihim qul bi/sama ya/murukum bihi eemanukum in kuntum mu/mineena

    Literal And when We took your promise/covenant and We raised the mountain above/over you. Take/receive what We brought (to) you with a strength/power and hear/listen. They said "We heard and we disobeyed." And they were made to drink/mix/saturate in their hearts/minds the calf with their disbelief. Say "How bad (is what) your faith/belief orders/commands you with it, if you were believing?"

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      Tony
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      There is no love in the Quran. Instead the Quran deals with specifics on how to deal with your neighbor.

      Love is so general, so vague. It could be only just a chemical reaction. Love is just a romantic notion. There isn't even unconditional love.

      Another term with similar characteristics is "spirituality".

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        amuslim
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        Peace

        Thanks for the listings Nun.

        Tony, I have to agree with your statement, thats how I see it.

        Peace

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          Yosemite
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          The probleme is every sect has it's "knowledge". This make one sect say "i am true you are not wut" and ect, and ect.

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            maxq
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            LAHORE Famous Sufi poet and saint Bulleh Shah has conveyed message of secularism and to understand his message one needs to understand history, culture and civilisation of the time, said Academy of Adbiyat director Qazi Javed in a seminar organised by the Punjab Institute of Language, Art and Culture on Monday....Sir Baghit Singh, who had come from India, said, the heritage of the Punjab was its Punjabi language which was written in India in two scripts ? Gurmukhi and Shahmukhi.
            Well good for you brother... I think hippies make for better sufis then!

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              Jack
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              I think hippies make for better sufis then!

              LOL

              http//www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/dwell.htm

              I think al-quran shows the importance of BOTH the brain and the heart.

              Do a search for 'heart'.

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                afridi220
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                Well good for you brother... I think hippies make for better sufis then!

                Sorry bro sufies -X not your subject &

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                  Ghulam_Rasool
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                  Real Sufis say that it is the remembrace (zikr) of Allah in which hearts find comfort, and real Sufis dont believe in secularism

                  Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find Peace (132

                  Furthermore, love and devotion at the highest level is literally the definition of worship (ibadat)

                  O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil). (221)

                  And knowledge is a key component of faith

                  But those of them who are firm in knowledge and the believers believe in that which is revealed unto thee (4162)

                  You see the real Sufis, and the real saints, like Abdul Qadir Jilani (Rahmatullah alaih) never advocated anything beyond the holy Quran and sunnat, and never dared to teach defiance to the sunnat. But the fake neo-sufis, like this "baba" are simply trying to attract followers by downplaying the teachings of Islam and marketing a new kind of artificial spirituality.

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                    ignoramus
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                    Real Sufis say that it is the remembrace (zikr) of Allah in which hearts find comfort, and real Sufis dont believe in secularism

                    Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find Peace (132

                    Furthermore, love and devotion at the highest level is literally the definition of worship (ibadat)

                    O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil). (221)

                    And knowledge is a key component of faith

                    But those of them who are firm in knowledge and the believers believe in that which is revealed unto thee (4162)

                    You see the real Sufis, and the real saints, like Abdul Qadir Jilani (Rahmatullah alaih) never advocated anything beyond the holy Quran and sunnat, and never dared to teach defiance to the sunnat. But the fake neo-sufis, like this "baba" are simply trying to attract followers by downplaying the teachings of Islam and marketing a new kind of artificial spirituality.

                    salam

                    i agree that in dhikr the heart find peace, but i do not see what this has to do with secularism.

                    i do not see that knowledge is necessarily "a key component of faith". 4162, at least your translation, does not support your view.

                    i also think your comments about 'real sufis' are highly speculative.

                    salam

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace be upon you,

                      The probleme is every sect has it's "knowledge".

                      'Knowledge is that which is known, verifyabe, proveable. So if sects all have of a piece of that, then we need to gather all of the knowledge and bring it together and follow it.

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