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    cosmicdancer
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    One of the great miracles performed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala is that he destroyed the mighty army of Abraha by using birds to carry stones and throw them at the army.

    The Qur'an - the Divine and literal speech of Allah, Subhanahu wa ta'aala - said

    Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the elephant?
    Did He not make their plot go astray?
    And send against them birds, in flocks
    Striking them with stones of baked clay
    And made them like an empty field of stalks (1051-5)

    God almighty in his last communication with mankind told us this very important story about how Abraha the ruler of Yemen who came to attack the Ka'ba with a huge army (along with elephant) out of jealously (he had a big church he wanted ppl to visit). But the Ka'ba is God's house and he wanted to defend it, so he sent birds carrying stones. The birds threw these stones at the army below, killing them all.

    It must have taken an awful lot of birds to throw enough stones to kill a whole army, though I suppose each bird could have carried 3 stones; one in each claw and one in it's beak - so I guess that reduces the number needed slightly - though the birds must have been very strong and had incredible muscles to have the power and dexterity to throw stones with great velocity so as to kill the soldiers. They must also have had intelligence over and above those usually associated with birds so as to perform all these manouvers and aim so accurately. (I suspect God had been training them for some months in a secret location.)

    They must have also been excellent good shots - or perhaps they went back to wherever they got the stones to be reloaded - perhaps a ground crew of little hamsters were standing by huge piles of rocks.

    I have to also wonder about the effectiveness of such stones hitting a huge and well equipped army.

    If they were just dropped then they would not really hit very hard. If the birds threw them with a lot of force I suppose they could have really hurt. Then again perhaps the stones had been sharpened by knife wielding badgers or were poisoned by venomous mercenary snakes, paid for their services with little mice.

    It seems strange that God was so concerned to save the Ka'ba a place of idol worship and destroy a Christian army? I thought Shirk was unforgivable and Christians had nothing to fear. A lot of innocent Christians died to save a pile of bricks dedicated to idols - very odd!

    I have to wonder why God did not make as much effort to save the Kaba when it was destroyed (and rebuilt) more than once in subsequent history.

    It would also be nice to see God for once save the billions he drowns or crushes under builings in Tsunamis and Earthquakes etc...

    But hey! Whatever the case - God is Great! May his name be blessed and praised!

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      IronSky
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      Peace to all,

      It doesnt say the birds killed them all with stones, they drove them away, and its probably pretty easy tospook some elephants by birds dropping stones on them. The Kabbah was Gods house from the begining, even if idol worshippers had abused it it was still Gods house that he would purify one day, so whats wrong with him protecting it now.

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        cosmicdancer
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        http//i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/seeker133/Abraha2.jpg

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          One of the great miracles performed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala is that he destroyed the mighty army of Abraha by using birds to carry stones and throw them at the army.

          the stones were from backed clay and every stones contain the name of man that it'll kill, in addition to these things that these stones were guided by God to strike their heads and imagine just a stone have shaded from a higher point from earth "the tower of sheikh talal" into your head directly "let's see if you will stay alive " God knows.

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            Wakas
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            why would God save the Kaaba?

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              One of the great miracles performed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala is that he destroyed the mighty army of Abraha by using birds to carry stones and throw them at the army.

              The Qur'an - the Divine and literal speech of Allah, Subhanahu wa ta'aala - said

              Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the elephant?
              Did He not make their plot go astray?
              And send against them birds, in flocks
              Striking them with stones of baked clay
              And made them like an empty field of stalks (1051-5)

              God almighty in his last communication with mankind told us this very important story about how Abraha the ruler of Yemen who came to attack the Ka'ba with a huge army (along with elephant) out of jealously (he had a big church he wanted ppl to visit). But the Ka'ba is God's house and he wanted to defend it, so he sent birds carrying stones. The birds threw these stones at the army below, killing them all.

              It must have taken an awful lot of birds to throw enough stones to kill a whole army, though I suppose each bird could have carried 3 stones; one in each claw and one in it's beak - so I guess that reduces the number needed slightly - though the birds must have been very strong and had incredible muscles to have the power and dexterity to throw stones with great velocity so as to kill the soldiers. They must also have had intelligence over and above those usually associated with birds so as to perform all these manouvers and aim so accurately. (I suspect God had been training them for some months in a secret location.)

              They must have also been excellent good shots - or perhaps they went back to wherever they got the stones to be reloaded - perhaps a ground crew of little hamsters were standing by huge piles of rocks.

              I have to also wonder about the effectiveness of such stones hitting a huge and well equipped army.

              If they were just dropped then they would not really hit very hard. If the birds threw them with a lot of force I suppose they could have really hurt. Then again perhaps the stones had been sharpened by knife wielding badgers or were poisoned by venomous mercenary snakes, paid for their services with little mice.

              It seems strange that God was so concerned to save the Ka'ba a place of idol worship and destroy a Christian army? I thought Shirk was unforgivable and Christians had nothing to fear. A lot of innocent Christians died to save a pile of bricks dedicated to idols - very odd!

              I have to wonder why God did not make as much effort to save the Kaba when it was destroyed (and rebuilt) more than once in subsequent history.

              It would also be nice to see God for once save the billions he drowns or crushes under builings in Tsunamis and Earthquakes etc...

              But hey! Whatever the case - God is Great! May his name be blessed and praised!

              Where it says abrah Army o

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                Mazhar
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                Where it says abrah Army o

                Durther, and where does it say "along with elephants". There is the possessive phrase. Possessor is the Elephant and the related/possessed are Persons/Companions/Men. "Companions/Men of the Elephant". This is their title/identification known at that point in time. And those who understood the Verse they have made their own "Birds" called Drones, and tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan now fully understand the content of the verse.

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                  Thereformer1
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                  why would God save the Kaaba?

                  I know much reasons of why God would save Al-Qa'aba, but I'll just choose the powerful one

                  { { } the end of the your question .

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                    Thereformer1
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                    Where it says abrah Army o

                    this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.

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                      Wakas
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                      Sorry, but that did not end my question.

                      Are you implying if the Kaaba were destroyed, this disproves islam or Quran or God?

                      Please clarify.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        Thereformer1
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                        Sorry, but that did not end my question.
                        Are you implying if the Kaaba were destroyed, this disproves islam or Quran or God?
                        Please clarify.

                        the Ka'aba were destroyed before and Qur'aysh re-built it again. and about disprove who knows but God knows.

                        I can state more than five verses about that Ka'aba is a necessary thing in Islam world and in Qur'an also.

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                        B.S this will disprove the call of Abaraham and Ismail when they asked God to accept the work of building the Ka'aba.And this will disprove that it was an order from God to build it.

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                          jawad_mugniya
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                          this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.

                          Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?

                          Ponder upon it !

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                            Thereformer1
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                            Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?
                            Ponder upon it !

                            what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .

                            the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.

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                              jawad_mugniya
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                              what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .

                              the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.

                              Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !

                              Second Civil War (680-694)

                              With the death of Mu'awiyya in 680 and the succession of his son, Yazid, a second civil war broke out with the followers of 'Ali. Yazid had some of the administrative effectiveness of Mu'awiyya, but none of the moral restraint and certainly no portion of the hilm that characterized his father. Anxious to force 'Ali's son, Husayn, to recognize his authority, Yazid eventually killed Husayn and a handful of his followers at Karbala in Iraq. This intemperate act inspired the people of Medina to revolt?Yazid put down this revolt and then laid siege to Mecca. In the middle of the siege, however, he died, and the caliphate was bestowed on his adolescent son, Mu'awiyya II. But the young boy soon died and the Islamic world fell into disarray over competing claims to the caliphate?the hereditary caliphate was still too young in its establishment.

                              The Arabian people were by now scattered all over the Islamic world. Two tribes based in Syria, the Qays and the Kalb, rallied around two separate candidates for caliph Marwan ibn al-Hakam and Ibn al-Zubayr. A bitter war was fought between the two tribes and Marwan, backed by the Kalbites, became caliph in 684 and founded a new Umayyad dynasty. But because he died a year later, the reconquest of Islamic lands would fall to his son 'Abd al-Malik, who ruled from 685 to 705 (65-86 AH). When 'Abd al-Malik became caliph, all of Arabia was under the control of his rival, Ibn al-Zubayr, while much of Iraq had fallen under the control of a rebel named al-Mukhtar. al-Mukhtar was defeated by Ibn al-Zubayr and, in 692, 'Abd al-Malik defeated Ibn al-Zubayr at Mecca. So desperate was he for victory, that he showered Mecca and the Ka'aba with catapults and freely destroyed the holy place.

                              His victory cemented Umayyad control over Islam; however, both the Shi'a and the Kharjites would remain powerful oppositional forces.

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                                cosmicdancer
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                                I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                                "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

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                                  Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !

                                  Hahahahahah. I've read history more than what you think and what you stated here never happened even in my dreams.

                                  this is a fake history ..first of all there was no one called Yazid " " and he never killed "" and the events between the death of "" and this fake man are not related at all . second of all this age was called the age of dawla al Omaweya where the leader was " " and the age of this Dawla was shirt and Ka'aba has never been destroyed in that age. third of all ka'aba was destroyed by flood in th existence of the prophet and Qur'aich rebuilt it again and it has never destroyed after that .

                                  I swear that what you stated here is a fake history ....I've studied hisory and never these things have happened before.

                                  so next time after making a big mistake, try to know the source of what you're going to post.

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                                    Thereformer1
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                                    I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                                    "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

                                    Lol, this man has been crusified .

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                                      cosmicdancer
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                                      Lol, this man has been crusified .

                                      And you find that funny?

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                                        "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

                                        Was he amongst "dancing or whirling sufis"?

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                                          cosmicdancer
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                                          Was he amongst "dancing or whirling sufis"?

                                          I don't believe he was, no. Why do you ask?

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