To Obey the Prophet(PBUH) is obligatory to every Muslim
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through practicing the Qur'an as well as reciting it, while people observe him and do like him and then transmit to the people after them.
What do mean ?observe him and do like him? ? eat, sleep, walk, shave, etc.?
3321 Ye have indeed IN THE MESSENGER of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
The above addresses ALL believers including women to follow a pattern of principle detailed in Qur?an and not about growing a fist length beard or wear the same sandals.
http//qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1740&CATE=108
About the Prophet's sandals (Allah bless him & give him peace)
Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani, SunniPath Academy TeacherIs it permissible for a Muslim, with the intention to emulate the Prophet (saw) to get sandals made on this design, just as many Muslims emulate him in dress?http//www.shukronline.com/the-prophets-sandal.html(In Pakistan, they can make sandals very cheap on any design and if permissible, I am planning on getting a pair made for myself and one pair as a gift for someone)
Walaikum assalam,
It is not only permitted, but a means for great reward to follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in his worldly habits.
An excellent discussion of these may be found in Book XX of Imam Ghazali?s Ihya, whose translation is available in the Books section of the www.sunnipath.com library.
Peace
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What do mean ?observe him and do like him? ? eat, sleep, walk, shave, etc.?
3321 Ye have indeed IN THE MESSENGER of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
The above addresses ALL believers including women to follow a pattern of principle detailed in Qur?an and not about growing a fist length beard or wear the same sandals.
http//qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1740&CATE=108
Peace
Subhanallah
Quote from a website and making hlatif answerable for this ??
Is this some peculiar mentality of Quranists or you are alone in it ??You people spread PEARLS/DIMONDS
I collect them
Wakas issues me FIRST WARNING
Cann't you people take pity on me and stop spreading these PEARLS?
I request you
Thanks in advance -
Subhanallah
Quote from a website and making hlatif answerable for this ??
Is this some peculiar mentality of Quranists or you are alone in it ??You people spread PEARLS/DIMONDS
I collect them
Wakas issues me FIRST WARNING
Cann't you people take pity on me and stop spreading these PEARLS?
I request you
Thanks in advanceYou obviously cannot read thus your comprehension is very poor.
hlatif made a statement to which I responded with a question and examples.
Quote from hlatif on Yesterday at 080016 PM
through practicing the Qur'an as well as reciting it, while people observe him and do like him and then transmit to the people after them.It's ok ? if you don't ask dim questions Leoxyz you'll never get over being dim.
I'm being generous with my vocabulary above although you are testing -- don't push it!
Lastly, consider the company you agree with...
Fanatic Christians/Jews, radical mullahs, along with arrogant Atheists who all love hadith.
Remember ? birds of a feather flock together!
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You obviously cannot read thus your comprehension is very poor.
Lastly, consider the company you agree with...
Remember ? birds of a feather flock together!
I am deadly against any Fabricated Hadith and anyone who tries to
1Tamper Quran
2Tamper Teachings of the Holy Prophet
Why do you assign me to any Group? I am only a Muslim who believes in that
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Peace "leoxyz" and other who wanna follow hadith as part of religious law,
This has been discussed many times before. Each of the prophet's words could NOT have been GOD's inpiration. Consider 3337. Hence how do we knwo which hadith are true and which are not(rem quran is also known as hadith). The Quran after rigorous investigation comes out to be the only authentic hadith while Bukhari, Muslim Qudsi etc fail miserably. Its that simple. They lack any scientific proof whatsoever as being the authentic inspirations of GOD. Moreover the statement "obey the messenger" does NOT refer uniquely to Muhammad but to ANY MESSENGER THAT MAY COME TO ANY COMMUNITY TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. The Quran clearly says "li KULLI UMMATTIN rasool" meaning "to EVERY COMMUNITY a messenger" and this is not in past tense. Moreover GOD exclusively termed Muhammad as "khaatamun NABIYEEN(last of proiphets)" and NOT "khaatamun nabiyeen wal murasaleen". Sunni and shia sectraians stupid twisted definition that every rasool has to be a nabi also doesnt hold per the Quran as you can see int he following article
http//www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html
GOD Bless! -
Peace "leoxyz" and other who wanna follow hadith as part of religious law,
This has been discussed many times before. Each of the prophet's words could NOT have been GOD's inpiration. Consider 3337. Hence how do we knwo which hadith are true and which are not(rem quran is also known as hadith). The Quran after rigorous investigation comes out to be the only authentic hadith while Bukhari, Muslim Qudsi etc fail miserably. Its that simple. They lack any scientific proof whatsoever as being the authentic inspirations of GOD. Moreover the statement "obey the messenger" does NOT refer uniquely to Muhammad but to ANY MESSENGER THAT MAY COME TO ANY COMMUNITY TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. The Quran clearly says "li KULLI UMMATTIN rasool" meaning "to EVERY COMMUNITY a messenger" and this is not in past tense. Moreover GOD exclusively termed Muhammad as "khaatamun NABIYEEN(last of proiphets)" and NOT "khaatamun nabiyeen wal murasaleen". Sunni and shia sectraians stupid twisted definition that every rasool has to be a nabi also doesnt hold per the Quran as you can see int he following article
http//www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html
GOD Bless!I do not know why you people cannot understand a simple question.You always put cart before the horse.
Do you believe that Holy Prophet has the authority to explain "Kitaab".
All other questions stem from this basic theme.
If you do not consider him PBUH as authority to explain the "BOOK" ,how can you discuss the authenticity of narrations.
It becomes a useless discussion .Because even if the authenticity of those narration is proved ,you will not accept it in the absence of His PBUH authority of explaining the book.You might have realized what is the value of
1Allah
2The HOLY Prophe PBUH
3The Holy Quran
OPF clearly mocked and attacked their integrity .
Look at this one what he said]Re is following quran alone even quranic?
? Reply #53 on Today at 043034 PM ? Quote
So if the aya said "Surely Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He raised from among them a postman to deliver the letters, and to fight crime, and to make pizza. For before that they were in manifest error", then "postman"'s role is to deliver letters, fight crime, and make pizza? Another pearl from a hadeethist. Such logic is not unexpected from those who believe in magical flying horses and super-Arabs and those who believe Yusuf Ali is "Quranist".
Are you sure this is a language of a "Muslim"
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Can you underline the "clear mockery" please, thanks.
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What do mean ?observe him and do like him? ? eat, sleep, walk, shave, etc.?
3321 Ye have indeed IN THE MESSENGER of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
The above addresses ALL believers including women to follow a pattern of principle detailed in Qur?an and not about growing a fist length beard or wear the same sandals.
http//qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1740&CATE=108
Peace
Z Peace Nun,
In all actuality, the beautiful pattern spoken of follows in the very next verse.
3322 And when the believers saw the opponents, they said "This is what God and His messenger have promised us, and God and His messenger are truthful." This only increased their faith and their submission.
The beautiful pattern is The Truth.
Peace
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I am deadly against any Fabricated Hadith and anyone who tries to
1Tamper Quran
2Tamper Teachings of the Holy ProphetZMy friend, you are an intellectual coward who couldn't hurt a fly, unless of course the fly fell into your drink, but other than that you are an intellectual coward..
Peace
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Salaam all,
gentile,
Hussein, is this 2.5% mandatory as zakaat?
And what is jizya according to you? Is there a minimum % requirement?
The 2.5% is mandatory on those who can afford it of all Muslims, men women and children.
I am not aware that there is a certain % for Jizya but many scholars made it equal to Zakat but did not impose on women or children or monks/nuns.
Samia,
What again are the rules of zakat? Are you contradicting yourself in the same post or you mean some "rules" other than the 2.5%?
There is Zakat and there is Sadaka= charity. The Zakat has a minimum and that is the 2.5% and the Zakat is obligatory in a form of responsibility to the community. The charity can go beyond that but is not mandatory. Early Muslims always paid Zakat and then Sadaka except for those who could only pay Zakat. The Aya in question did not talk about Zakat. It covered probably both Zakat and Sadaka and that is where you get my answer.
Couldn't God say "2.5%" instead of "what beyond your needs"? Why would a billionnaire pay 2.5% and keep billions/millions that are definitely beyond their need? Bill Gates donates 60% of his fortune, and still have billions left. I do not see any muslim millionnaire/billionnaire donate near that amount. They are satisfied with abiding with the "rules" of zakat.
And God did not put the Salat in a very particular fashion just as He was not that particular about Zakat. May be God's wisdom is that we need to not only read, but watch how the messenger applied the Qur'an.
The quraan says he did not read past scriptures, he was a gentile. He was only surrounded by paganism. Where did he have any knowledge, and from where? Where would he know what is in the quraan before the qur'aan was revealed? Is this the justification for the huge amount of israelites in the hadith literature? Is that the knowledge he had?
The one who gave him the Qur'an has much more knowledge than the Qur'an. The one who gave him the Qur'an can give him more. Will you deny that?
if it were "obey the prophet" or "obey Muhammad" then your understanding might have some relevance. The obedience in as-much-as the message he is carrying/delivering.
Not quite. Rasool is not a postman. He brings the message, explains it and implements it. Secondly, you cannot divide him into a trinity and say this time he is this and this time he is that. He is prophet and messenger all the time. A person who has multiple roles, he or she has them all the time with no divisions.
God ordered him to debate "with the qur'aan". Do you read in this command "at least with qur'aan"?
Debate and law are two different things. If he was asked to debate the Qur'an, then that does not mean that all other things have to be only Qur'an.
First of all I am not, and would never be, in a contest with the prophet or claim he made mistakes that I can correct . But I can surely know what is claimed to have been said by him I contest bukhari et al, and anybody with the minimum rationality can. If God says he was a kind and merciful person, I will know that whatever was said about him killing apostates and adultrers is a big lie. If the quraan says he is of the highest manners, I will not believe he married a child of 9 yeas of age when he was over 40, a widower with children older than her. This would only be done by a lustful, uncaring father. If we know he is honest, he is at least honest with the message He will not utter hadith to abrogate any part of it.
And you actually do not believe in much of the Qur'an using the same argument. For example the way you understand Idribuhunna or want to impose a different meaning or the way you understand "cut their hands". When you find yourself have to make the Qur'an too complicated linguistically, then it is time for you to ask "Do I believe or not" or better "Is my logic logical". That is probably healthier for you to ask than throw this or throw that because sooner or later, you will find a Qur'an made in your own image.
beg your pardon? I understand Arabic, but I am told that in order to understand hadith I have to be learned in "3ilmur-rijaal science of Men (!)", "aljar7 walta3seel wounding and amending"; "asbab an-nuzuul Reasons of revalation (!)", "the abrogator and the abrogated"..etc....All this in an old, and rough language that even a dictionary wont help with understanding it.
Everytime we come with a hadith, you either add extras to it to make it more acceptable (e,g suckling the adult), or you say the hadith is weak (women created from a crooked rib) and the narrator is not known, As if the others figure in "Who is who".
As for the adding to the hadeeth. I see you guys doing the same for the Qur'an without hadeeth. You guys call it "logic" when it is not. I do not believe that I need to bring examples for they are apparent to all. As for the knowledge of Arabic, God did not say in the Qur'an that you need Arabic to learn the Qur'an. He did however give the job of teaching the Qur'an to the messenger. The messenger was more important according to the Qur'an, in the teaching of it than the language. That is something for you to ponder. As for Ilm Rijal or the books of explanation of hadeeth, then they are available and you can read them just as you read Lane's or any other dictionary. They are also easier to read since they give you data while Lane's gives you words and uses and contexts but cannot give you the true meaning of the word. The messenger can.
In fact, believing and accepting hadith will end up not being able to believe that the quraan is complete.
Wrong for many reasons
1- Although many of you claim the Qur'an is complete, you practically do not believe it. That is why some of you will say, but we use logic to understand it.2- If you believe the words are too narrow that they cannot encompass all the body of hadeeth within them, then you will believe that hadeeth is outside, but you will also find a Qur'an that is narrow and shallow. and incomplete
3- However, if you give the words of the Qur'an the linguistic width that they deserve, you will find that it will encompass the hadeeth, where the hadeeth brings your attention to things you missed.
Nun,
About the Prophet's sandals (Allah bless him & give him peace)
Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani, SunniPath Academy TeacherIs it permissible for a Muslim, with the intention to emulate the Prophet (saw) to get sandals made on this design, just as many Muslims emulate him in dress?http//www.shukronline.com/the-prophets-sandal.html(In Pakistan, they can make sandals very cheap on any design and if permissible, I am planning on getting a pair made for myself and one pair as a gift for someone)
Walaikum assalam,
It is not only permitted, but a means for great reward to follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in his worldly habits.
An excellent discussion of these may be found in Book XX of Imam Ghazali?s Ihya, whose translation is available in the Books section of the www.sunnipath.com library.
And I will respond to Sheikh Faraz that even though Ibn Umar did something like that, the majority of the Sahaba and the early scholars did not see that one needs to follow those aspects of the prophet's life. They had consensus however, on obeying him and arriving at rulings using his example of how he applied rulings and how lived his life within the message of the Qur'an.
Take care all and have a great day.
Hussein
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Not quite. Rasool is not a postman. He brings the message, explains it and implements it. Secondly, you cannot divide him into a trinity and say this time he is this and this time he is that. He is prophet and messenger all the time. A person who has multiple roles, he or she has them all the time with no divisions.
The Rasool is indeed just a "postman", the prophet on the otherhand, was someone living 1400 or so years ago appointed by the god to lead his particular followers with the quran, In a couple of more words, the prophet explained it to his followers and he implemented it to the best of his human abillity at that time.
Important point( take note leo), the quran NEVER proscribed its followers to "Obey the prophet".
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You have no proof. If you want to use balagh= delivery then that word means delivery and make it understood not the delivery of the postman. Note that the Qur'an never uses words that are more like postman as "Tasleem" or "ilqaa" but used "balagh" which is deeper and has more than delivery. The Arabic word "balagha" means being able to "making something understood in the clearest way possible".
Secondly, if he explained it to his friends and his friends explained it to their friends and children and so forth, then the hadeeth is important because it reflects that knowledge of the early muslim community.
Thirdly, the "obey the messenger" was not limited to his life or death. The Qur'an does not give that limit. Just as the "obey God" was not limited to the time of life of the messenger. So, in both cases you are depending on reading texts to understand them. The texts of the hadeeth can help you understand the text of the Qur'an.
Take care
Hussein
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Peace "leoxyz" and other who wanna follow hadith as part of religious law,
This has been discussed many times before. Each of the prophet's words could NOT have been GOD's inpiration. Consider 3337. Hence how do we knwo which hadith are true and which are not(rem quran is also known as hadith). The Quran after rigorous investigation comes out to be the only authentic hadith while Bukhari, Muslim Qudsi etc fail miserably. Its that simple. They lack any scientific proof whatsoever as being the authentic inspirations of GOD. Moreover the statement "obey the messenger" does NOT refer uniquely to Muhammad but to ANY MESSENGER THAT MAY COME TO ANY COMMUNITY TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. The Quran clearly says "li KULLI UMMATTIN rasool" meaning "to EVERY COMMUNITY a messenger" and this is not in past tense. Moreover GOD exclusively termed Muhammad as "khaatamun NABIYEEN(last of proiphets)" and NOT "khaatamun nabiyeen wal murasaleen". Sunni and shia sectraians stupid twisted definition that every rasool has to be a nabi also doesnt hold per the Quran as you can see int he following article
http//www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html
GOD Bless!ANOTHER CAT IS OUT OF BAG
So Qadianis are also operational over here.All anti-islam stuff is accumulated to
-Attack Allah and Quran
-To attack authority of the Prophet PBUH
-To Tamper the quran
-To attack finality of prophethood of Muhammad PBUH -
You have no proof. If you want to use balagh= delivery then that word means delivery and make it understood not the delivery of the postman. Note that the Qur'an never uses words that are more like postman as "Tasleem" or "ilqaa" but used "balagh" which is deeper and has more than delivery. The Arabic word "balagha" means being able to "making something understood in the clearest way possible".
Secondly, if he explained it to his friends and his friends explained it to their friends and children and so forth, then the hadeeth is important because it reflects that knowledge of the early muslim community.
Thirdly, the "obey the messenger" was not limited to his life or death. The Qur'an does not give that limit. Just as the "obey God" was not limited to the time of life of the messenger. So, in both cases you are depending on reading texts to understand them. The texts of the hadeeth can help you understand the text of the Qur'an.
Take care
Hussein
Peace Hussein,
My use of "postman" was intended as a starting point(from where you had started), but yes, basically the messenger could be considered something like, well..a messenger (one who delivers a message through the clearest possible way), this case, Speech/ and then dictation of that speech for future generations.
Secondly, I agree, the prophet's actual direct explanations of the "messenger's speech" would be important to his followers, though dangerous and anti-quranic when passed on to a people not there to hear it from the prophet's mouth themselves. Fact is, if the prophet thought his explanations important for the future generations he would have wrote them down.
Thirdly, "obeying god and obeying the messenger" are one and the same. There is no time limit due to the fact that we have the "message" associated with the god and the messenger".
Peace
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Hussein (or anyone else), is the 2.5% zakaat mandatory?
And what is jizya according to you? Is there a minimum % requirement?
Peace!
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Salaam Warner,
KLM is spoken words, whether by humans or by God or others. Here are some examples of human speech 346, 11105 and more. Examples of animals speaking in words to humans 2782 Examples of God speech The ones mentioned earlier as well as 2174, 2118. All of them are spoken words.
QWL is communication spoken or unspoken in words or otherwise also by God or man or any other entity. Here is an example of unspoken QWL
191 Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad.
192 A mention of the mercy of thy Lord unto His servant Zachariah.
193 When he cried unto his Lord a cry in secret,
194 Saying My Lord! Lo! the bones of me wax feeble and my head is shining with grey hair, and I have never been unblest in prayer to Thee, my Lord.
195 Lo! I fear my kinsfolk after me, since my wife is barren. Oh, give me from Thy presence a successor
Khafiyya which was translated by Picktal as secret is closer to hidden.
QALA he said is the word that was translated as Saying. Suggesting that he said something but it could have been spoken or unspoken and probably it was unspoken since it was hidden.
There are other examples like this as well. So, whenever you see KLM, then it is spoken words and when QWL, it could be spoken or unspoken form of communication.
The Qur'an was never pointed to in the Qur'an as QAWL. It was only referred to as Kalam= spoken words.
Take care and have a great day.
Hussein
Salaam Hussein
I did not want to take this subject forward after the above and the response from Ayman. I thought this is going around in circles.
But since there maybe a situation where I could have misunderstood you please be good enough to tell me how do you define ?saying? and ?speech?.
Thank you
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Salaam Warner,
But since there maybe a situation where I could have misunderstood you please be good enough to tell me how do you define ?saying? and ?speech?.
There is no point in discussing the english words when we are discussing the Arabic words of the Qur'an. However, I use "Saying" for QAWL and KALAM for speech. Mainly, I allow saying to be more than spoken words, while keep speech as spoken words.
Hussein
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The Rasool is indeed just a "postman", the prophet on the otherhand, was someone living 1400 or so years ago appointed by the god to lead his particular followers with the quran, In a couple of more words, the prophet explained it to his followers and he implemented it to the best of his human abillity at that time.
Important point( take note leo), the quran NEVER proscribed its followers to "Obey the prophet".
The rasool is not "just" a post man, this is ill mentality.
GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.
Shame on anyone who calls himself as a Muslim and disobeys the clear Sign of Allah.
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The rasool is not "just" a post man, this is ill mentality.
GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.
Shame on anyone who calls himself as a Muslim and disobeys the clear Sign of Allah.
Peace,
Z Before giving us your opinion, it would be wise for you to first learn the difference between a rasool and a prophet (nabi).
Peace