Compilation of the Quran
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Having looked at the site, basically I will conclude that it is done by some amateur who does not even know the basic difference between TEXT and READING (pronounciation or recitation style). Whoever did this site obviously did not post any images of ancient manuscripts which have a completely different text than what we presently have as the Holy Quran, but relied on ahadeeth which are not even dealing with the text of the Quran but with its various modes of recitation.
The only good argument he makes regarding the text is sourced by some "Burton" and he gives no authentic Islamic sources for that argument. When he does quote Sahih Bukhari, etc., he presents facts Muslims already know and have nothing to do with preservation of the text.
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Whoever did this site obviously did not post any images of ancient manuscripts which have a completely different text than what we presently have as the Holy Quran, but relied on ahadeeth which are not even dealing with the text of the Quran but with its various modes of recitation.
If they are not images of ancient manuscripts then what are they? The present Quran is obviously not the same. Do you think the Kaba and its entire area present today was exactly what it used to be 1400 years ago?"The only good argument he makes regarding the text is sourced by some "Burton" and he gives no authentic Islamic sources for that argument. When he does quote Sahih Bukhari, etc., he presents facts Muslims already know and have nothing to do with preservation of the text.
The dig at the Great Mosque in San?a', Yemen, had found a large number of manuscripts of the Qur'an dating from first century of hijra. The date of building the Great Mosque in San?a' goes back to 6th year of hijra when the Prophet Muhammad entrusted one of his companions to build a mosque. The mosque was extended and enlarged by Islamic rulers from time to time. In 1385 H/1965 CE heavy rains fell on San?a'. The Great Mosque was affected and the ceiling in the north west corner was damaged. During the survey, the workers discovered a large vault full of parchment and paper manuscripts of both the Qur'an and non-Qur'anic material." http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/COPIES OF THE QUR'AN FROM THE ORIGINAL
During the time of Othman, the third Caliph, Islam spread fast and many companions moved out of Arabia. Amongst the many countries and provinces that accepted Islam were Syria and Iraq, but their language was not Arabic. One of Prophet's companions, Hothaifah-ibn el-Yaman, during his visit to Syria and Iraq learnt that people were reciting the Qur'an in different modes or style. This disturbed him very much and upon his return, he requested Othman to reproduce and distribute copies of the Qur'an that would help Muslims read or recite the Qur'an in a single consistent manner to avoid any conflict. http//www.talkislam.com/ecard/gbrowse.php?cat_id=41http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin
http//answering-christianity.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm
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You have only proved my point Genteel, and the Sana manuscripts are a testament to the textual integrity and preservation of the Holy Quran.
Do you think the Kaba and its entire area present today was exactly what it used to be 1400 years ago?
Excluding the modern hotels and facilities added by the Saudi govt, what reason should I not believe it is the same place as 1400 years ago.
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You have only proved my point Genteel, and the Sana manuscripts are a testament to the textual integrity and preservation of the Holy Quran.
Excellent! Then it stands correct that some (figurative) as seen in those images and reproduced by others long after the death of Muhammad. No wonder the Quran that we have today has remarkedly distinguished complications of all sorts. Besides, it also proves that the alleged "god" could not preserve it in its original form and forced humans to innovate his words further. ???Excluding the modern hotels and facilities added by the Saudi govt, what reason should I not believe it is the same place as 1400 years ago.
Your reason is not based upon opnion. Hotels and facilities are not the only stuff added. Everything that resides today in that loaction has been totally and overly dramatized, including the Kaba inside out. Read history, do some research and study. I wasn't talking about its precise point of location, but perhaps that too is questionable. -
Excellent! Then it stands correct that some (figurative) as seen in those images and reproduced by others long after the death of Muhammad. No wonder the Quran that we have today has remarkedly distinguished complications of all sorts. Besides, it also proves that the alleged "god" could not preserve it in its original form and forced humans to innovate his words further.
You have no proof whatsoever, all you have is your wishful thinking. The proof on the other hand lies with us, and Islamic awareness is an excellent site with images of early Quranic manuscripts and fragments dating as early as the 1st century A.H., and possibly even the lifetime of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) himself. No other religious scripture has such historical evidence and proof of its complete authenticity and preservation, especially not the bible.
Everything that resides today in that loaction has been totally and overly dramatized. Read history, do some research and study.
It's easy to say get educated, do research, learn, etc., but here if you make these kinds of assertions than I think you should give some evidence for it.
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Can't put attributes either. But regardless, bring the evidence requested without dodging.
I bet it is unless you bring forth the evidence as requested.Yes, I'll just prove God exists here and now in a single forum post. brickwall
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You have no proof whatsoever, all you have is your wishful thinking. The proof on the other hand lies with us, and Islamic awareness is an excellent site with images of early Quranic manuscripts and fragments dating as early as the 1st century A.H., and possibly even the lifetime of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) himself. No other religious scripture has such historical evidence and proof of its complete authenticity and preservation, especially not the bible.
The wishful thinking comes from the delusional concept of an unperceivable and fathomless god that the religionist (and most ardently the Muslims) have vehemently and deliberately shed attributes upon and you claim that you have every proof. elektro You can't even answer my questions previously requested barefaced but run around diverting attention to something else. OPF is the best example.Anything and everything ever claimed against Quran becomes involuntarily and unimaginably twisted in YOUR favour just to claim its alleged integrity and superiority over all others and most fashionably amongst yourselves. And you call that proof when the "beasts" ate the verses and an almighty god couldn't "preserved" it, yet claim otherwise and magically an ancient man-made book becomes Allah's words. This is the height of lunacy and the key term is "circumambulating in extreme denial" with or without the Kaba. Its either the Quran or Quran + Kaba. Sorry mate.
It's easy to say get educated, do research, learn, etc., but here if you make these kinds of assertions than I think you should give some evidence for it.
Don't expect people to hold your finger at every step. Do your own research when needed most, then you have grounds to counter. -
Yes, I'll just prove God exists here and now in a single forum post. brickwall
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and possibly even the lifetime of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) himself. No other religious scripture has such historical evidence and proof of its complete authenticity and preservation, especially not the bible.
So you do believe in conjectures and hearsies as deemed useless by your rival (OPF). voodooB) Hearsay and conjecture is useless.
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So you do believe in conjectures and hearsies as deemed useless by your rival (OPF).
OPF believes in the Holy Quran only and rejects the vastly useful corpus of ahadith which is essential for understanding the historical dimension of Islam among other things.
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OPF believes in the Holy Quran only and rejects the vastly useful corpus of ahadith which is essential for understanding the historical dimension of Islam among other things.
Though I would agree with you here but not wholly since ahadith and Quran are not the only sources in understanding the Islamic historical dimensions. On the contrary, all Quran alone groups would disagree with you here to the extent of mocking each other and throwing tempertantrums from the Quran, just like all Muslim sectarians would do to a non-Muslim as well. -
Though I would agree with you here but not wholly since ahadith and Quran are not the only sources in understanding the Islamic historical dimensions. On the contrary, all Quran alone groups would disagree with you here to the extent of mocking each other and throwing tempertantrums from the Quran, just like all Muslim sectarians would do to a non-Muslim as well.
Generalization
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Renown German Researcher, Christoph Luxenberg, Reveals Qur?an a Knockoff Of The Bible
The Renown German Researcher, Christoph Luxenberg, a world renown linguistic scholar, in his book clearly reveals that the Quran is nothing but a distorted knockoff of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible. Here is just one example, but the interested individual can find many many pages of similars in his book.
<<<?Let's first look at what the Quran (Koran) says at Sura 347
Sura 347, "She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is."
And, Sura 348 says, ""He will teach him the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel." Interestingly here the Quran (Koran) actually speaks of the first five (5) books of the Bible, the Torah; yet today many Muslims rail against the Bible from which their book the Quran (Koran) was plagiarized from.
Now the Bible says at Luke 135, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God." (American Standard Version; ASV).?>>>.
A short review of his book can be found in, "HUGOYE JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschl?sselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.
But to really get specific facts in great detail with advanced literary analysis one must read his book of 306 pages.
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