the great global warming swindle
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Peace
most climatologists DON'T believe in man made global warming.
have you even watched the tapes?
Are you certain that majority of Climatologists agree with that statement? Again, a lot of people use this just so that they can continue to live comfortably. Its not only in this subject either. Check out the Wiki too
"Carl Wunsch controversy
Wunsch wrote in a letter dated March 15, 2007 that he believes climate change is "real, a major threat, and almost surely has a major human-induced component". He also says he had thought he was contributing to a programme which sought to counterbalance "over-dramatisation and unwarranted extrapolation of scientific facts". He raised objections as to how his interview material was used"
Like I said, whether or not Humans are a prime contributor doesnt mean we can be lax. I am in favor of cleaning up our act, its part of being a Muslim.
Peace
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i take it that you have not watched the vids, all questions that people ask about global warming is answered there.
Again, a lot of people use this just so that they can continue to live comfortably.
For gawd sake I don't talk my self out real 'threats', quite frankly I am usually paranoid and worry about stuff that I don't need to worry about, and YES most climatologists don't believe that we can effect climate change, it's all explained in the vids, tiz hardly rocket science.
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Peace,
I did. You want to base your belief on two videos? Even the first one is being debated and Durkin even admitted to mistakes in his video. Now, that doesnt mean he is completely wrong, but whos going to take it as a complete fact? Theres also Carl Wunsh.
Also, apparently you didnt see what I said.
Like I said, whether or not Humans are a prime contributor doesnt mean we can be lax. I am in favor of cleaning up our act, its part of being a Muslim.
Im not educated and Im not sure if you are to even make a statement on this issue. Its not my field of major so I just have my own opinion on it, but I do know a lot of people that use such rebuttals just to stay with their comfortable lives. If theres scientists that are against/for this and have spent years of study on this issue, then I have no place to speak against either of them.
Either way, both parties can be accused of propaganda. I just want us to change our lives for the better. Again, its the duty of any Muslim to do so.
Just asking because Im not sure, but are you Muslim? Reason I ask is because of your choice of words to refer to a specific woman.
Peace
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Peace,
The denial industry
http//www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2
Angel you are ignoring the unfathomable wealth and power of oil companies
Try this site also, for Exxon secrets
http//www.exxonsecrets.org/
The fact that global warming is being debated is very humorous
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yea just like debating 9/11 is humorous.
As if I have not taken the oil industry into account, btw this is standered practice in science, a vitamin supplement company will fund science research to come to the conclusion it wants, a homeopathy company will fund science research to get the conclusion it wants, thats how science works, there is nearly as much corruption in science as there is in politics. As if some of those people that are for the man made global warming theory don't have ulterior motives.
btw amuslim my conclusion is hardly based on 2 documentaries, i've always said in the past that the net is not a very good source for many subjects.
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Peace All
DArgento, thats the exact thing I was stating. People want a comfortable life, therefore they will refute anything that stops it. Its like saying that the urban runoff we produce is nowhere near what the earth does. Also all those holes that we blast for minerals and such, it isnt our problem, there are earthquakes, etc. that do more damage
BTW, Im digging that Pillars of Creation nebulae. Alhumduillah.
btw amuslim my conclusion is hardly based on 2 documentaries, i've always said in the past that the net is not a very good source for many subjects.
Neither are my own, but you want me to believe in your path BASED on those two documentaries?
Peace
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ofcause not on them 2 documentaries alone, btw I am not expecting you to believe that, i posted them 2 documentaries; notice how i did not comment on them?
People want a comfortable life, therefore they will refute anything that stops it.
are you some kind of self appointed psychologist?
lol when it comes to al-qaeeda I know for a fact that the "threat" the American media portrays is grossly exaggerated yet so many American idiots fall for it, even the British media won't let the Americans off when it comes to this one, the infamous BBC documentary 'the power of nightmares' talks about just 10 of the hundreds of cases where the government has deliberately framed Muslims for what they have not done. When there is a mountain of evidence to prove that such people were framed and they were proven to be innocent MANY people refuse to believe it. So much for wanting to live a 'comfortable life' )
In the other thread you said that if people are not affected by something they will not be bothered about it. Which simply is not true, you don't need to look far for evidence to disprove that (i.e. charities, human rights organizations, protests/political activism, etc.)
don't act like you know what people are like coz you certainly don't.
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are you some kind of self appointed psychologist?
Isn't what he said rather obvious? Do you need a mechanical engineer to tell you a stick will break?
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Peace all
ofcause not on them 2 documentaries alone, btw I am not expecting you to believe that, i posted them 2 documentaries; notice how i did not comment on them?
most climatologists DON'T believe in man made global warming.
have you even watched the tapes?
i take it that you have not watched the vids, all questions that people ask about global warming is answered there.
For gawd sake I don't talk my self out real 'threats', quite frankly I am usually paranoid and worry about stuff that I don't need to worry about, and YES most climatologists don't believe that we can effect climate change, it's all explained in the vids, tiz hardly rocket science.are you some kind of self appointed psychologist?
No, but Im human and I observe the human ways. Have you gone to school and got degrees in this subject, or just a laid back theorist? If you do have degrees in this subject, then I respectfully bow out of this. As I said 2 posts before
Im not educated and Im not sure if you are to even make a statement on this issue. Its not my field of major so I just have my own opinion on it, but I do know a lot of people that use such rebuttals just to stay with their comfortable lives. If theres scientists that are against/for this and have spent years of study on this issue, then I have no place to speak against either of them.
I personally have taken class' in psychology, not that it matters.
lol when it comes to al-qaeeda I know for a fact that the "threat" the American media portrays is grossly exaggerated yet so many American idiots fall for it, even the British media won't let the Americans off when it comes to this one, the infamous BBC documentary 'the power of nightmares' talks about just 10 of the hundreds of cases where the government has deliberately framed Muslims for what they have not done. When there is a mountain of evidence to prove that such people were framed and they were proven to be innocent MANY people refuse to believe it. So much for wanting to live a 'comfortable life'
In the other thread you said that if people are not affected by something they will not be bothered about it. Which simply is not true, you don't need to look far for evidence to disprove that (i.e. charities, human rights organizations, protests/political activism, etc.)
don't act like you know what people are like coz you certainly don't.
Not all people, and not in their entire life. In certain facets of it, however, its true. Its true of you and me as well. Its matter of to what degree you take it to.
Have you seen how a lot of charities operate? Some are underhanded. Also, a lot of things that have to do with charities have benefits, which is why they do it in the first place. Look at celebrities. When many donate, it makes the news. They need camera time. Also people that are big in charities get paid. Does that sound like a charity to you?
Protests? Same backing depending on how you look at it. Politics plays a key role in all the above that you mentioned. You really think that many of the higher ups even care? Its mainly the lower people that do all the work. Even many of them can be accused of having ulterior motives, be it to boost their own ego, etc.
I work for a company that is involved with a big charity organization. That organization about 10 to 20 years ago was exposed as some of the members used the money for their own houses, etc. Its still a charity organization, but its tarnished. Also, my company is involved because "they care about people". Its a bunch of crock. Reason being, is that even my manager told me that the more people that donates, they get more seats on the board. Ulterior Motives.
Its funny that you accuse me of this, as you are the one that thinks you can dictate what Global Warming is. Now I dont say you cant have your own opinions, but you are quite pushy on the matter, yet you do not let me have my own opinion.
Again, offtopic, but are you a Muslim? Not that its wrong if you aren't, just your etiquette.
If you are a muslim, just look at the Quran and what it says about people.
ofcause not on them 2 documentaries alone, btw I am not expecting you to believe that,
We're just going in a circle. I say, to you your way and to me my own way. Theres no purpose in arguing.
Peace
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peace,
I've studied advance level psychology too so I don't need a lecture.
i am well aware of corruption in charities so again I don't need another lecture. And the people that give money to charities are NOT "evil" for gawd sake.
You accuse me of being 'pushy' when all i did was post the link to 2 online documentaries. And yes maybe if you did your homework you would realise that most climatologists don't believe in man made global warming. And I am not holding a gun to your head expecting you to believe me.
And I don't need a PhD in science to understand if global warming is man made or not.
And I don't need a PhD in politics to know how the man made global warming theory is useful for corrupt politicians.
lol whether I am Muslim or not has nothing to do with climate change, i post 2 vids about climate change, you first imply that people that don't believe in man made global warming just want to live 'comfortable lives' (which implies we are selfish) and then you want to question my faith, this is more of a personal 'attack' then a serious discussion.
http//www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/090707closertosun.htm
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Peace
peace,
I've studied advance level psychology too so I don't need a lecture.
You brought this up
are you some kind of self appointed psychologist?
It was merely a response.
i am well aware of corruption in charities so again I don't need another lecture. And the people that give money to charities are NOT "evil" for gawd sake.
You accuse me of being 'pushy' when all i did was post the link to 2 online documentaries. And yes maybe if you did your homework you would realise that most climatologists don't believe in man made global warming. And I am not holding a gun to your head expecting you to believe me.
If you knew that about charities then why did you bring it up?
Also I never said the people were evil. I did say that their motives is what dictated them. A lot of people give just to get a good feeling. You dont believe me? Also, cancer research, and tons of other charities like that does evil in itself by researching on animals. That is not Islamic and even taking Islam out of the picture, it itself is horrible.
Heres what I said
Like I said, whether or not Humans are a prime contributor doesnt mean we can be lax. I am in favor of cleaning up our act, its part of being a Muslim.
Then you keep on asking me about the two tapes
have you even watched the tapes?
i take it that you have not watched the vids, all questions that people ask about global warming is answered there.
Apparently you wouldnt let me keep my opinion as you kept on getting on about those two videos.
And I don't need a PhD in science to understand if global warming is man made or not.
And I don't need a PhD in politics to know how the man made global warming theory is useful for corrupt politicians.
lol whether I am Muslim or not has nothing to do with climate change, i post 2 vids about climate change, you first imply that people that don't believe in man made global warming just want to live 'comfortable lives' (which implies we are selfish) and then you want to question my faith, this is more of a personal 'attack' then a serious discussion.
So its final, you do not have extensive knowledge or have done such research to even be considered a doctor in this field? What I am saying is that there are experts that say things that are against your point of view, they are the ones that have more knowledge and more higher standing then yourself. This is why while I have my opinion on this issue, I would not go out and argue with an expert due to the fact that they have more knowledge than me. Its like me going to a Sunni and telling them how to read the Quran when they know more Arabic than I do.
Like I said, the Muslim thing was off topic and I was meaning to ask it, due to the way you talked about a specific women. If you dont want to answer it or if its too hard to, so be it, it doesnt bother my life. Twas merely a question, no need to get haughty.
You seem to think that you are knowledgable in many fields, Ill leave you to believe that. Theres no more reason to even talk in this thread, as we keep on going in circles. As I said in my last post
We're just going in a circle. I say, to you your way and to me my own way. Theres no purpose in arguing.
Peace
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your doing it again and you don't even realise it. ;D
You seem to think that you are knowledgable in many fields, Ill leave you to believe that.
again your making assumptions about people. stop judging people by your own pathetically low standereds . its a disgusting habit and you should be embarrassed about it.
As for "experts", they don't even agree with each other! so if you have 2 "experts" that disagree with each other then you have to make your own mind up. Same applies to any field.
And I'm sure you have 100s of PhDs yes Allah told us to use our minds but we shall ignore that advice since many of us don't have PhDs, i shall ring the local imam up and tell him i need a lesson in islam and a good 'ol hiding for rejecting the ahadith, since HE is the expert in islam, HE has studied it for decades and since HE is older and "wiser".
Hmm now do i need a PhD in politics to find it if i should be voting for labour, lib dems, the tories, or the RESPECT party. I am pretty disturbed by the fact that many people that vote for a party quite often don't know what they stand for on every issue.
Like I said, the Muslim thing was off topic and I was meaning to ask it, due to the way you talked about a specific women.
I don't know what you mean, what woman?
As for testing on animals, since when did i say i supported it?
As if all charities are corrupt, charities like Islamic relief are so open about what they do that we don't need to worry about corruption, and COMMON SENSE tells you that you need to pick a reliable charity, of cause common sense is not so common.
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Martin Durkin, the director of the global warming sceptic film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, concedes that a graph he used of temperatures over the last thousand years ignores data from the last twenty years. In Durkin's film the endpoint of the graph, produced by a British academic back in the 1980's, is labelled "now". Despite being condemned by scientists when it first screened in the UK, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation broadcast an edited down version and convened a post-screening discussion panel. In an interview ahead of the panel discussion, Durkin said that it was "absolutely absurd to quibble on when it finishes". However, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reveals a dramatic rise in temperatures in the last two decades. The rights to the film have also been bought by distributors in Germany, Canada, Spain and the United States.
http//www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,22066664-10229,00.html?from=mostpop
Also see http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)#Modified_Truth
This dude is not to be taken seriously
http//www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=39
To take this documentary seriously it should have used stats from let's see.... this century
NEXT !
A May 2007 report by Greenpeace USA concludes that, in 2006, Exxon spent $2.1 million on 41 groups that are part of the climate change denial and disinformation campaign. The report says Exxon has now given $22 million to these groups since 1998.
http//www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/exxon-secrets-analysis-of-fun
Global warming skeptics (wikipedia like)
http//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Climate_change_skeptics
Exxon still funding climate skeptics (40 groups!)
http//www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN1843960820070518
Global warming skeptic refuses to disclose funding
http//www.sej.org/foia/index7.htm
According to a recent ruling by federal judge Saundra Brown Armstrong, the Bush administration broke the law by failing to present the latest scientific research about global warming to Congress and the public
http//sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/21/BAG97RMND96.DTL&tsp=1
Deny climate change, make 10,000 dollars!
http//www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2004230,00.html
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D i've heard all that before.
but the Globalists Love Global Warming.
http//www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/270407sickandtired.htm
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6026880749850611241
"They(tv reporters) ask me 'Did you see ice falling from the edge of glaciers?' 'Yes, that's the spring break-up. That happens every year.' The press comes to us all the time, you know, 'I want to see something of the greenhouse disaster.' I say 'There is none(chuckles).'"
--Prof. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Director, IARC, Fairbanks, Alaska (International Artic Research Center - the worlds leading arctic research institute)
The plausible scientific community research says it's the variables in the Sun causing global warming. CO2 isn't figured anywhere in it. No doubt pollution needs to be stopped, but it's not causing global warming.
people that support the man made global warming theory are quick to vilify anyone who does not support such a theory, and make unfounded claims at people they don't even know (such 'amuslims' ad hominem attacks towards me - according to him I am "pushy", "lazy", "selfish" and claiming to be a "miss know it all", thats quite a mouth full for someone who does not even know me). But the sweet irony is that you ignore the backgrounds and the motives of the 'top people' that do support this theory. EDIT i mean industry.