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How Long Ago Was The Quran Revealed!!!!

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    ijaz
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    I prefer physical evidence to hearsay/conjecture/arbitrariness, and physical evidence says from 670AD and probably earlier, given that the manuscript is from Yemen, reasonably far from the described locality/reach of Muhammad (293.

    Correct.... )

    OPF,

    What is this physical evidence that you are refering two..

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      OPF,

      What is this physical evidence that you are refering two..

      Things like this http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

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        unknownuser
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        Salaam Brothers & Sisters,

        Now we have the miracle of 19 to remove all traces of doubt 7431 point 4 RK's translation of the Quran.

        If one says Quran was revealed so many years ago without proof then that will be a Hadith, however, I will prove it to you when the Quran was revealed.

        According to the preface of Dr Rashad Khalifa's Translation of the Quran, he said that Quran was revealed between 610 & 632 AD.

        Present year is 2007 take 632 from it we get 1375, the gv of Quran is 382, when you concatenate this with these number of years we get 382 1375 / 19 = 201125 x 19 or
        382 1375 / 171 = 22347 / 2, Position 2 confirms the attribute the age of the Quran.

        The above is the proof that Quran was revealed 1375 years ago, it was already established that some one i.e. me will reveal this information in the year 2007, because 2008 or 2009 are not multiples in that code..

        Glory be to God

        Kind Regards

        Ijaz

        Who says it is 2007?

        List of calendars

        In current use

        • Armenian calendar
        • Astronomical year numbering
        • Bah?'? calendar
        • Bengali calendar
        • Berber calendar
        • Buddhist calendar
        • Chinese calendar
        • Coptic calendar
        • Ethiopian calendar
        • Fiscal year
        • Germanic calendar (still in use by ?satr?ar)
        • Gregorian calendar
        • Hebrew calendar
        • Hindu calendars
        • Indian national calendar
        • ISO week date
        • Iranian calendar
        • Irish calendar
        • Islamic calendar
        • Japanese calendar
        • Javanese calendar
        • Juche calendar
        • Julian calendar (still used by Orthodox churches for Easter)
        • Revised Julian calendar
        • Lithuanian calendar
        • Malayalam calendar
        • Maya calendar (parts still used by Maya Indians)
        • Minguo calendar
        • Nanakshahi calendar
        • Nepali calendar
        • Nepal Sambat
        • Romanian calendar
        • Runic calendar (Still in use by ?satr?ar)
        • Tamil Calendar
        • Thai lunar calendar (still used for some Thai holidays)
        • Thai solar calendar
        • Tibetan calendar
        • Zoroastrian calendar (including Parsi)

        Archaic calendars

        • Ancient Macedonian calendar
        • Attic calendar
        • Aztec calendar
        • Babylonian calendar
        • Byzantine calendar
        • Coligny calendar
        • Egyptian calendar
        • Enoch calendar
        • French Revolutionary calendar
        • Hellenic calendar
        • Mesoamerican calendars
        • Positivist calendar
        • Roman calendar
        • Runic calendar
        • Soviet revolutionary calendar
        • King's Calendar

        The following are proposed reforms of the Gregorian calendar

        • Holocene calendar
        • International Fixed Calendar (also called the International Perpetual calendar)
        • World Calendar
        • Leap week calendars
          o Pax Calendar
          o Common-Civil-Calendar-and-Time
          o Symmetry454

        Free your mind from the number thingamajig obsession and read/listen to Qur?an.

        Beautiful Surah 19?

        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU

        Peace

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          ijaz
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          #8

          Who says it is 2007?

          List of calendars

          In current use

          • Armenian calendar
          • Astronomical year numbering
          • Bah?'? calendar
          • Bengali calendar
          • Berber calendar
          • Buddhist calendar
          • Chinese calendar
          • Coptic calendar
          • Ethiopian calendar
          • Fiscal year
          • Germanic calendar (still in use by ?satr?ar)
          • Gregorian calendar
          • Hebrew calendar
          • Hindu calendars
          • Indian national calendar
          • ISO week date
          • Iranian calendar
          • Irish calendar
          • Islamic calendar
          • Japanese calendar
          • Javanese calendar
          • Juche calendar
          • Julian calendar (still used by Orthodox churches for Easter)
          • Revised Julian calendar
          • Lithuanian calendar
          • Malayalam calendar
          • Maya calendar (parts still used by Maya Indians)
          • Minguo calendar
          • Nanakshahi calendar
          • Nepali calendar
          • Nepal Sambat
          • Romanian calendar
          • Runic calendar (Still in use by ?satr?ar)
          • Tamil Calendar
          • Thai lunar calendar (still used for some Thai holidays)
          • Thai solar calendar
          • Tibetan calendar
          • Zoroastrian calendar (including Parsi)

          Archaic calendars

          • Ancient Macedonian calendar
          • Attic calendar
          • Aztec calendar
          • Babylonian calendar
          • Byzantine calendar
          • Coligny calendar
          • Egyptian calendar
          • Enoch calendar
          • French Revolutionary calendar
          • Hellenic calendar
          • Mesoamerican calendars
          • Positivist calendar
          • Roman calendar
          • Runic calendar
          • Soviet revolutionary calendar
          • King's Calendar

          The following are proposed reforms of the Gregorian calendar

          • Holocene calendar
          • International Fixed Calendar (also called the International Perpetual calendar)
          • World Calendar
          • Leap week calendars
            o Pax Calendar
            o Common-Civil-Calendar-and-Time
            o Symmetry454

          Free your mind from the number thingamajig obsession and read/listen to Qur?an.

          Beautiful Surah 19?

          http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU

          Peace

          I think you are off the rocker.. brickwall

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            ijaz
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            Things like this http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

            OPF,

            I would like evidence, not reference to some guy who may or may not have existed..

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              ayman
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              Peace everyone,

              Present year is 2007 take 632 from it we get 1375, the gv of Quran is 382, when you concatenate this with these number of years we get 382 1375 / 19 = 201125 x 19 or
              382 1375 / 171 = 22347 / 2, Position 2 confirms the attribute the age of the Quran.
              The above is the proof that Quran was revealed 1375 years ago, it was already established that some one i.e. me will reveal this information in the year 2007, because 2008 or 2009 are not multiples in that code..

              1988 (or every 19 years) was also a good year for such nonsensical miracles that only the mathematically challenged believe in.

              Never mind the fact that the Gregorian calendar year count is completely arbitrary to begin with, as Nun kindly pointed out.

              Peace,

              Ayman

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                unknownuser
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                I think you are off the rocker.. brickwall

                If you "think" you would not make such absurd claims as this...

                "that some one i.e. me will reveal this information in the year 2007" -- ijaz

                The same "whisperer" which got to your ego also got to RK and where did you get idea 632 from?

                Once again, working the problem backwards;

                Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked INPUT

                Step 1 pick a name, place, year, whatever you want to justify
                Step 2 consult 19 tables
                Step 3 digits combined with {gv of name} = some number x 19

                19 x 201120 = 3821280 + 727 = 2007
                19 x 201121 = 3821299 + 708 = 2007
                19 x 201122 = 3821318 + 689 = 2007
                19 x 201123 = 3821337 + 670 = 2007
                19 x 201124 = 3821356 + 651 = 2007
                19 x 201125 = 3821375 + 632 = 2007
                19 x 201126 = 3821394 + 613 = 2007
                19 x 201127 = 3821413 + 594 = 2007
                19 x 201128 = 3821432 + 575 = 2007
                19 x 201129 = 3821451 + 556 = 2007
                19 x 201130 = 3821470 + 537 = 2007
                ....................................................
                19 x 201158 = 3822002 + 5 = 2007

                19 x 201200 = 3822800 - 793 = 2007

                Who determined year ZERO; Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory? lol

                This is what Ayman was trying to explain as well; with 1/19 of infinity to choose from any combo is possible.

                These thoughts misguide from the message and lead to idolatry of people and numerology.

                Peace

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                  unknownuser
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                  OPF,

                  I would like evidence, not reference to some guy who may or may not have existed..

                  Please go to the Kuwait National Museum amongst others, with your radiocarbon dating equipment.

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                    ijaz
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                    Please go to the Kuwait National Museum amongst others, with your radiocarbon dating equipment.

                    If the carbon dating have not been done yet and the papers published, then obviously they are hiding something..

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                      ijaz
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                      If you "think" you would not make such absurd claims as this...

                      "that some one i.e. me will reveal this information in the year 2007" -- ijaz

                      The same "whisperer" which got to your ego also got to RK and where did you get idea 632 from?

                      Once again, working the problem backwards;

                      Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked INPUT

                      Step 1 pick a name, place, year, whatever you want to justify
                      Step 2 consult 19 tables
                      Step 3 digits combined with {gv of name} = some number x 19

                      19 x 201120 = 3821280 + 727 = 2007
                      19 x 201121 = 3821299 + 708 = 2007
                      19 x 201122 = 3821318 + 689 = 2007
                      19 x 201123 = 3821337 + 670 = 2007
                      19 x 201124 = 3821356 + 651 = 2007
                      19 x 201125 = 3821375 + 632 = 2007
                      19 x 201126 = 3821394 + 613 = 2007
                      19 x 201127 = 3821413 + 594 = 2007
                      19 x 201128 = 3821432 + 575 = 2007
                      19 x 201129 = 3821451 + 556 = 2007
                      19 x 201130 = 3821470 + 537 = 2007
                      ....................................................
                      19 x 201158 = 3822002 + 5 = 2007

                      19 x 201200 = 3822800 - 793 = 2007

                      Who determined year ZERO; Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory? lol

                      This is what Ayman was trying to explain as well; with 1/19 of infinity to choose from any combo is possible.

                      These thoughts misguide from the message and lead to idolatry of people and numerology.

                      Peace

                      WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT..

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                        unknownuser
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                        WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT..

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                        What is this some new 19 code? ;D

                        Hey look -- it's all verified...

                        Nun de plume
                        Apprentice

                        Posts 298 = 2+9+8 = 19!

                        peace

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                          Posts 298 = 2+9+8 = 19!

                          peace

                          WHAT DOES THIS PROVE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS TOTAL RUBBISH!!

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                            WHAT DOES THIS PROVE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS TOTAL RUBBISH!!

                            You seem to be finally learning; now what is your opinion and tell us why this is any different?

                            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15360.0

                            Peace

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                              ijaz
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                              You seem to be finally learning; now what is your opinion and tell us why this is any different?

                              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15360.0

                              Peace

                              You have made up conjucture I am dealing with a divine book called Quran and the word of the messenger of the covenant that says that Quran was completed in 632 AD, there is considerable difference between Hadith and the Truth..

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                                According to the preface of Dr Rashad Khalifa's Translation of the Quran, he said that Quran was revealed between 610 & 632 AD.

                                Start of revelation is 609 not 610

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