Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Bahman you say; Peace DDS You may understand meaning of Islam and Muslims. You falsely consider Mohammedans (shia and Sunnis)
Starjade says; To me a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Shia and Sunny may well be Muslims but they have different worded Korans dont they. Dont you think it is shameful that they are blowing each other up in mosques. What does that say about islam? Seems they are all in serious need of religious guidance.
Bahman you say; Correct your article using Islam ( submission to God Alone 319) then I would consider to listen to your 500 claims using cyber id as prophet Peace.
Starjade says; Muslims do not submit to the Living God of Abraham and of Moses if they did then they would listen to my Revelations and learn from that experience. I am the actual Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. This can be established by the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards. It is not open to debate because Deuteronomy law does that Judging not you. I have already contacted the Jews way back in 1995 with Revelations of an ever nearing apocalypse with a view to that exodus of all descendants of Abraham plus some Alien residents. I walk the walk as well as talk the talk. Unlike you I give my life body and Soul to the Living God.
If you are a Muslim then you are bound by the Islamic law I have invoked in the beginnings. You also are bound by the Sura 482 challenge of the Koran and have no choice as a Muslim but to debate these many errors that exist in the Koran which proves that the Koran does not come from God which blows out all of the claims of Muhammad who is clearly presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
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Arnold you said; I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
Starjade says; well hello there Arnold. I can see you also have been doing some studying.
Throwing Stars at the Devils?
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps,
and we have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans, ...
-- Sura 675We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,
(for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
-- Sura 376-8Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 376-10; 5533-35; 675; & 726-9.
How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?
Muhammad also believed the Sun sets in a pool of muddy water. In sura 1886 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a people We said O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring.
My most favourite error is The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, , has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of Gods angelsexactly like Gabriel!
In the Quran there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living beingalthough, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Quran and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,
"Ibn Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."
In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse
"The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."
Not only ibn Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue"On the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, Tell us about the thunder. What is it? He told them
It is one of Gods angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them. They said to him, What is this sound that we hear? He said (It is) his voice (The angels voice)."
The same incidentthe question of the Jews and Muhammads answer are mentioned by most scholars. Refer, for instance, to al-Sahih al-Musnad Min Asbab Nuzul al-Ayat (stories related to the verses of Quran, p. 11) and al-Kash-shaf by the Imam al-Kamakhshari (part 2, pp. 518, 519). He reiterates the same story and the same words of Muhammad. Thus, the incident is in vogue among all Muslim scholars, and the story and the dialogue between Muhammad and the Jews is well-known.
Baydawi, Jalalan, Zamakhshari, Suyuti, and ibn Abbas have said. We do not know (among the ancient scholars) any who are more famous than these.
Concerning lighting, Muhammad affirms that it is an angel like the thunder and like Gabriel and Michael. On page 230 of the above references, Suyuti alludes to it. Also on page 68 of part 4 of the "Itqan", the Suyuti records for us the names of the angels, which are "Gabriel, Michael, Harut, Marut, the Thunder and the Lightning (He said) that the lightning has four faces."
The Suyuti listed all these under the sub-title, "The names of Gods Angels". He also indicated that Muhammad said that the lightning is the tail end of an angel whose name is Rafael (refer to part 4, p. 230 of the Itqan).
Starjade says; I have even met a Muslim who believed that Muhammds claim was true. I have his statement on record someplace.
Already much discrepancy is found to exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad. One wonders just what those so called religious scholars had been thinking to display words that show Muhammad ro be a fool. Of course we have come a long way since then and can realize his errors but in his follow Islam or die days nobody dared question the matter. Bit like the emperors clothes thing.
Now how can any Muslim hope to explain these things away. Do they teach these things in Islamic schools? Isnt it time the Islamic world moved forwards and stopped misleading its congregations.
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Navid you say; I have yet to see any INTERNAL contradictions with the quran. The quran contradicting the bible does not mean the quran is contradictory. Sorry
Starjade says; The Bible is a word I hate to use as it contains two books the Old Testament which is Jewish and the New testament which is Roman Christian. It is not one book nor one religion. All Bible with a new testament added on are all published and printed by Christians. The New testament is not valid.
Internal Contradictions Which Point to Errors
I2i Mary & Imran
One of the best known errors is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 1928; 6612; 2025-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.I2ii Haman
Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 2838; 2938; 4025,3. But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian.As Long as errors exist in the Koran the Koran admits that it does not come from God. This admission is found in Sura 482. I have staggering lists of errors displayed and waiting for Muslims to try and give accounts for. Many tried and failed.
Muslims should then worry more at the claims of Muhammad who claims he got those words from the Christians Angel Gabriel. You know the Angel Gabriel said to have appeared to Zacharias in the Temple even though there were no witnesses there to see that event?
This is the same Angel Gabriel who appeared so Luke claims to give authenticity to the birth of Jesus. Who in later life claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews which is why Christians called Jesus the King of the Jews to this very day.
Ooops. Just wait a minute. As all you Muslims know Muhammad has proclaimed that he alone is that long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raised up in the midst of the Jews. Muslims argue this from thy brethren thingy to this very day.
And Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed that jesus was the prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Rather odd then for Muhammad to then say this Angel Gabriel appeared on a Mountain to tell him that he was that long awaited prophet.
11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself as being. But Christians always yackle on about Jesus being the son of God. So Muhammad never realize that Jesus claimed that he was that long awaited prophet. And Jesus is claimed to have been authenticated by the (cough) Angel Gabriel who had never existed in Time before the mention of this Angel Gabriel by this character luke. Weirdy one that isnt it. Now perhaps you all start to graps why I name 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being errors in the Koran especially considering the claims of Muhammad. Oooops once again Muhammad has slipped up. That will teach him to have Christian wives and relatives to feed his head with nonsense.
And he carried it on by claiming the words of the Koran came from this Angel Gabriel But history shows then that the claim is that this Angel Gabriel is seen to be promoting both jesus and Muhammad as being genuine and that one long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Hahaha scuse me whiles I wipe the nose goo off my computer screen for this makes me laugh so much my nose goo is splattering out.
But the wise one must realize that the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet not two. Either Jesus or Muhammad or both just have to be lying. It is a matter of common sense. And do not forget Muhammad actually believed the Christian tales of Jesus which is why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being. Now that is then most odd considering what prophet it is that Muhammad claims himself to being.Certainly this Angel Gabriel is seen to be lying (gasp) standing against the actual word of the Living God who only promised to raise up one Prophet not two.
But panic not for the Romans invented the Angel Gabriel to give a religious persona to their tale of Jesus. Gabriel was never real. But that again reflects on those silly claims of Muhammad and the claim the Koran itself came from the very words of this Angel Gabriel who stands against the actual word of the Living God. Tsk tsk tsk Cant wait for Muslims to get to that point in Time to speak of the (cough) Angel Gabriel with the real live genuine Deuteronomy prophet Starjade. Thats breakfast time folks. eat rotfl
Islam is doomed and powerless against me and my God given revelations. Perhaps you can see why I am the undisputed Challenger and all who come up against me bite the Dust. Oh and please now and then do smile and think just who is he just who is he this one who is giving such startling Revelations. Because in my eyes that is the funniest part of all these religious conversations and Revelations.
I do not need to waffle on about Angels and prophets when Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards already does establish exactly who I am. That law was brought down by Moses from the Living God and that then makes that Deuteronomy law the actual word of the Living God. So I am already established by the actual word of the living God, religious law, plus the many signs in the heavens and by my own acts and deeds all of which gives me absolute authenticity. And to me the Living God said they should hearken.
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
He judges the Quran based on his corrupted Bible. well, newsflash, we believe the Bible to be full of nonsense.
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Amazing how entrenched in crap one can get, but delusions of grandeur tend to do that.
For starters, neither Ibn Abbas nor the other so-called Imams are authorities on anything related to space, or generally anything other than their own perception, and their word is nothing to do with the Quran.
Your method is to take an allegorical description, and turn it into a literal description, see 37. Another of your favourite ploys is to take sources external to the Quran, usually narrations based on hearsay and conjecture - narrations made by humans who were, slightly stupid as evidenced from their text. Then you avoid the idea of taking the Arabic meanings, because it may expose your delusions.
The sheer volume of pure horseshit is what stops me from refuting it, but for starters, in this 4-dimensional reality we call life, the fourth dimension is time. In time, Aaron A does not have to be = to Aaron B, because the two can be separated by thousands of years. Yes, I said it - people can share the same name. Really!
Anyway, I suggest you exit your mother's basement and PLEASE get yourself checked out at a good ward. If I knew your address they would be over soon...
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rotfl Is this all? Starjade, I could do better in trying to disprove the quran. Why don't you find a Christian scholar or anyone else who is actually well-grounded in the quran so some real arguments could be made?
Again I have yet to see internal contradictions in the quran, sorry.
Starjade says; Oh I only showed a few contradictions as it was claimed there are none. Clearly there are. Why not examine the 21 errors in the Koran I have given links to. Then we shall see how clever you are.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
If you want conversations with a Christian Scolar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast. eat rotfl
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He judges the Quran based on his corrupted Bible. well, newsflash, we believe the Bible to be full of nonsense.
Does this guy claim to be a Prophet or what?Starjade says; The Christians New Testament and claims are false. The Koran could not exist nor could the claims of Muhammad exist without the Old Testament. Rather silly of you to think other wise.
As for my being a Prophet. I do not make claims I outright state that I can be established as being a genuine Porphet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. That fact by the way shows once again errors in the claims of Muhammad that stand against the actual word of the Living God and Giods Deuteronomy laws. Muhammad does not stand that high and once again is seen to be presumtuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The evidence that can establish I am a genuine Prophet from the Living God is shown the other side of this link.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
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Well; the quraan, Jabriel and Muhammad attest to that. Since you take them as "liars", then you are a liar too by your own logic.
Starjade says; Even Muhammad is bound by Deuteronomy law because he is a descendant of Abraham. Of course as Muhammad cannot satisfy Deuteronomy law with him having no witnesses to his claims then his idolators will be in that denial. But that does not alter the truth of the statement.
The Sura 482 of the Koran already admits it does not come from God by the many errors existing in the Koran. That is a reflection then on what you believe regarding Muhammad and his word to be untrue.
I notice you do not dare to take on that Sura 482 challenge and attempt to defend the koran from my revelations. So you must be the Kuffar who shirks the challenge.
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Starjade
The old testament was written by a liar Rabi like you and moses was also not prophet and you are also a liar
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Can you prove the old testament is God words and Moses and you are prophet i bet you can not prove it.Starjade says; The Prophecy of Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 came from the Living God so it is the Living Gods Prophecy not Moses. had you payed attention to the Old Testament it was Aaron who was the prophet of Moses. As for Deuteronomy being brought down from the Living God by Moses that is already written in the Old Testament and confirmed by the Living Gods Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade. As Deuteronomy came from the Living God then it is the word of the Living God. Once again I repeat it can be established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God and so once again you are in error on all accounts.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
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Starjade says; The Prophecy of Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 came from the Living God so it is the Living Gods Prophecy not Moses. had you payed attention to the Old Testament it was Aaron who was the prophet of Moses. As for Deuteronomy being brought down from the Living God by Moses that is already written in the Old Testament and confirmed by the Living Gods Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade. As Deuteronomy came from the Living God then it is the word of the Living God. Once again I repeat it can be established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God and so once again you are in error on all accounts.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
But i said the old testament is not from God then how i can believe that you are a prophet and not a liar.
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Starjade says; The Christians New Testament and claims are false.
Good that some Christians are finally seeing the light.
The Koran could not exist nor could the claims of Muhammad exist without the Old Testament.
The Quran existed independently of any other scriptures. Rather silly of you to consider otherwise.
As for my being a Prophet. I do not make claims I outright state that I can be established as being a genuine Porphet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. That fact by the way shows once again errors in the claims of Muhammad that stand against the actual word of the Living God and Giods Deuteronomy laws. Muhammad does not stand that high and once again is seen to be presumtuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The evidence that can establish I am a genuine Prophet from the Living God is shown the other side of this link.
I hope someone is joking here.
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OPF said Amazing how entrenched in crap one can get, but delusions of grandeur tend to do that. For starters, neither Ibn Abbas nor the other so-called Imams are authorities on anything related to space, or generally anything other than their own perception, and their word is nothing to do with the Quran.
Starjade says; next you will be saying that Muslims and Muhammad and the words of the Koran have nothing to do with the Koran. I still will not believe you.
OPF said Your method is to take an allegorical description, and turn it into a literal description, see 37. Another of your favourite ploys is to take sources external to the Quran, usually narrations based on hearsay and conjecture - narrations made by humans who were, slightly stupid as evidenced from their text. Then you avoid the idea of taking the Arabic meanings, because it may expose your delusions.
Starjade says; So this has what exactly to do with Muhammad believing Jesus to being the Prophet jesus is claimed to be which is the long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up n the midst of the Jews. Which is why they call him the King of the Jews.
To the matter of Muhammad then proclaiming himself to being that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews which is why they called Muhammad the Prophet to the Nation. Did you think Ibn Abbas mentioned that error in 11 Chapters of the Koran and the word of Muhammad.? Seems like you are being very picky on what you dare to reply too. Whiles having no explanation to these serious errors in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad.
OPF said The sheer volume of pure horses*** is what stops me from refuting it, but for starters, in this 4-dimensional reality we call life, the fourth dimension is time. In time, Aaron A does not have to be = to Aaron B, because the two can be separated by thousands of years. Yes, I said it - people can share the same name. Really!
Starjade says; The things you speak of are errors other scholars point out existing in the Koran. Why not grow a backbone and try and reply to this matter of Jesus and Muhammad claiming themselves to being that singular Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews seeing as you think yourself so clever. I need a good laugh. The living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. So either Jesus or Muhammad have to be lying in their proclamations. If it is Jesus then why do 11 chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus claims himself to being when Jesus claims he is that long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.? That is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews and Muhammad did believe in Jesus.
But on that second claim by Muhammad he proclaimed that he alone is that long awaited Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up which is why they called Muhammad the prophet to the Nation.
The problem with those silly claims by Jesus and Muhammad is that the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. Muhammad does not claim to be Jesus. He believed in Jesus and 11 chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus because of Muhammad?s belief. But Muhammad did not realise who or what prophet it was that Jesus was proclaiming himself to being and made that error by proclaiming himself to being the very Prophet that Jesus had already claimed himself as being.
OPF said Anyway, I suggest you exit your mother's basement and PLEASE get yourself checked out at a good ward. If I knew your address they would be over soon...
Starjade says; Glib comments will not help you escape the many errors in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad. Already you have bitten the Dust but are too blind to see. eat rotfl
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If you want conversations with a Christian Scolar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast.
What an arrogance of you! I can talk about Muslim scholars who can take you and that Christian minister for breakfast, but I do not want to boast and I dislike bragging.
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This guy does not get it. We do not believe the Old Testament to be the word of God and it's authentic to us.
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What an arrogance of you! I can talk about Muslim scholars who are experts on Christianity and the Bible, and can take you and that Christian minister for breakfast, but I do not want to boast and I dislike bragging.