Sun orbits the galaxy?
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What does yasbahoona mean?
It can mean to swim, which in this context means to orbit.
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It can mean to swim, which in this context means to orbit.
Okay, so the Quran never tells us the things orbit at all. It tells us that these things swim in outer space. That does not denote a circular path in the least. So we have absolutely no mention of a circular path. Keep diggin that hole.
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Okay, so the Quran never tells us the things orbit at all. It tells us that these things swim in outer space. That does not denote a circular path in the least. So we have absolutely no mention of a circular path. Keep diggin that hole.
It means to orbit as well.
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Oh, so it means both words at the same time. Not a duel meaning word, but a word that means two things simultaneously. ;D ;D That's pretty cross eyed, wouldn't you say?
It has more than one meaning. To orbit, to run, to imagine, to swim etc...
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More than one at the same time or same instance? ;D ;D
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I have already told you that words can have several meanings.No, you are hiding. Can I mean two different things at the same time when i say a word? I know a word can have two different definitions. But can I simultaneously mean two different things when I utter one word one time? Am I telling you two different things at one time? And the answer is, no. Words can have two meanings, but an utterance of the word can only have one. It has to be ONE of the meanings for the word, not two at the same time.
So therefore, that verse cannot simultaneously reference orbit and outer space at the same time or in the same exact utterance. So you're going to have to pick one. Is it outer space or orbit?
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The meaning of a word is modified by the object.
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No, you are hiding. Can I mean two different things at the same time when i say a word? I know a word can have two different definitions. But can I simultaneously mean two different things when I utter one word one time? Am I telling you two different things at one time? And the answer is, no. Words can have two meanings, but an utterance of the word can only have one. It has to be ONE of the meanings for the word, not two at the same time.
I agree.
So therefore, that verse cannot simultaneously reference orbit and outer space at the same time or in the same exact utterance. So you're going to have to pick one. Is it outer space or orbit?
Which words?
I thinkFalak
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Why can't one word mean two different things in the same sentence, at the same time? Why is this so impossible? I'm not talking about any sentences disscused here, but in general. If I say a sentence, and one of the words can have e.g. two different meanings, I can't see any reason why my sentence can't have two different, at the same time, valid meanings. At every instance in time, more than one thing is true, isn't it? Paris is the capital of France and strawberries are red. Both things are true. It must be possible, in some language, that two true things can be said in one and the same sentence, using a word with more than one meaning?
Or?
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Just a off-topic (but on-core-problem) side remark I felt I had to make after reading this thread
The problem is not proving/showing things to people.
The problem lies in whether they want to be shown or not.
The problem is whether they are willing to change their mind or not.
The problem lies in their motives.
Do they wanna learn or are they just out to win, and prove someone else (and that person's faith and book) wrong.Sometimes it hard to tell which one of the following things is the real case in a debater brickwall
- Plain old stubborn and cramped rigidness. Doubtful motives.
- "child syndrome" Inexperience, naiveness, over-confidence in one's knowledge.
- Low IQ