Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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As you beg me to display some more errors and contradictions in the Koran for you hahahah to explain away then here is a few. Enjoy. Now you have no excuses if you shirk we will see you shirk. If you deny we will see you deny. Be wary what you wish for. Oh and do not think for a minute I am going to forget those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus claimed himself to being especially as I see you ignore those errors in the Koran and beliefs of Muhammad. You cannot shirk away that easily.
I1i Moses
The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.I1ii Yahya
According to the Qur'an, no-one bore the name of Yahya before John the Baptist (sura 197). Yet, we find that name mentioned in the Old Testament (2 Kings 2523) implying that it was a well known name hundreds of years before the writing of the Qur'an.It is interesting to note that Yusuf Ali, in his translation of sura 197 tries to circumvent this problem by translating this aya as, "on no-one by that name have We conferred distinction before." Yet, the word 'distinction' does not appear in the Arabic at all. Is a translator permitted to change a text like this to correct an error? Obviously not! Ali is playing a dangerous game here. Is it no wonder, then, that Muslims refer to all English translations as simply interpretations. In his note (no.2461) Ali attempts to explain the problem by assuming that "Allah had, for the first time, called one of His elect by that name." It would have been better had he left the text stand as it was written.
I1iii Trinity
The Qur'an completely misrepresents the doctrine of the Trinity. The author of sura 5116 mistakenly thought that Christians worshipped three gods the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). But Christians don't worship this doctrine of the Trinity at all! There was a heretical sect of Christianity called the Choloridians, who had a concept of the Trinity which included Mary, who would have been in Arabia during the time of Muhammad. They are possibly the source for this obvious error.Another error is also found in sura 573-75, where the Qur'an says, "They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three..." Obviously the accusation is against Christians, yet Christians do not believe God is one of three! We believe that God is one. Yusuf Ali does a grave injustice in his translation by adding the phrase, "Allah is one of three in a trinity." The words "in a trinity" do not exist in the Arabic text! Ali puts it into his translation in an attempt to avoid the rather obvious mistake that Christians believe in three gods.
I1iv Ezra
The Qur'an in sura 572 makes the mistake of claiming that the Jews believed that Ezra was the Son of God, the Messiah, just as Christians claim for Jesus. Nothing could be further from the truth.I2 Internal Contradictions Which Point to Errors
Some errors point to internal contradictions within the Qur'an itself. I have dealt with these in another paper as well, and so will only list them here to jog your memory.I2i Mary & Imran
One of the best known errors is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 1928; 6612; 2025-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.I2ii Haman
Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 2838; 2938; 4025,3. But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian.I3 Errors Which Contradict Secular and Scientific Data
There are other stories in the Qur'an which do not stand up to the secular data which is available. These errors are possibly the most damaging for the credibility of the Qur'an as the perfect 'Word of God' because their veracity can be measured against the test of observable data, which is by definition neutral and binding.I3i Ishmael
The descendence of Ishmael by all Arabs is in doubt within the secular world, since historically the first father of the Arabs was Qahtan or Joktan (see Genesis 1025-30). Some of his sons names are still found in geographical locations in Arabia today, such as Sheba, Hazarmaveth, Ophir, and Havilah. Abraham's nephew Lot would be another ancestor to the Arabs via the Moabites and Ammonites (Genesis 24); as would Jacob's twin brother Esau, and the six sons of Abraham's third wife Keturah. Yet they are not even mentioned as ancestors to the Arabs in the Qur'an.I3ii Samaritan
The Qur'an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb was molded by a Samaritan (sura 2085-87, 95-97). Yet the term 'Samaritan' was not coined until 722 B.C., which is several hundred years after the events recorded in Exodus. Thus, the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses, and therefore, could not have been responsible for molding the calf.It is interesting to notice that while Yusuf Ali attempts to change this word to "Samiri" and Pickthall to "As Samirii," Arberry in the English, and Kasimirski in the French both correctly translate it "Samaritan." Yusuf Ali, in his footnotes, "bends over backwards" to explain his choice by suggesting that the name could mean "Shemer," which denotes a stranger, or "Shomer," which means a watchman, the equivalent of "Samara" in Arabic, which he implies is close enough to the Samari he is looking for. Once again we find an awkward example of Ali attempting to twist the translation in order to get out of a difficult scenario, similar to the examples of "Periklytos," or the word "Machmad" which he uses to signify Muhammad in the Bible. The Arabic simply does not give Ali the leeway to concoct other meanings for this word. To be consistent with the Arabic he should keep his translation consistent with the text, as Arberry and Kasimirski have done.
I3iii Sunset
In sura 1886 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a people We said O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring.I3iv Issa
The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it.I3v Mountains
Suras 1615; 2131; 3110; 786-7; 8819 tell us that God placed (threw down) mountains on the earth like tent pegs to keep the earth from shaking - after the earth was formed. For pre-scientific man this would sound logical, since mountains are large and therefore, their weight would have seemingly, a stabilizing effect on the earth. Yet we now know this logic to be quite inaccurate. Mountains were not formed and placed on the earth to render the earth's crust stable. In fact, the very existence of mountains is evidence of instability in the earth's crust, as they are found and pushed up by the colliding of tectonic plates (i.e. the migration of Arabia toward Iran has resulted in the Zagros range, France pushing against Italy produced the Alps, and the Indian plate nudging Tibet has given us the Himalayas)And He has cast great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with you, and rivers and roads that you may go aright,
And We have made great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with them, and We have made in it wide ways that they may follow a right direction.
He created the heavens without pillars as you see them, and put mountains upon the earth lest it might convulse with you, and He spread in it animals of every kind; and We sent down water from the cloud, then caused to grow therein (vegetation) of every noble kind.
Have We not made the earth an even expanse?
And the mountains as projections (thereon)? And the mountains, how they are firmly fixed,
I3vi Alexander the Great
In sura 1883-100 we find the story of Dhu al Qarnayn, who is known as the Greek conqueror, Alexander the Great. According to this sura, his power was given to him by Allah (aya 84), which some Muslims contend is an assertion that he had the same prominence as a prophet. But of even more importance to our discussion is the contention, according to this sura, that he was credited with building an enormous wall of iron and brass between two mountains, which was tall enough and wide enough to keep an entire army out (aya 96).It is simple to test these claims because Alexander lived in the full light of history. Arrian, Quintus Curtius and other historians of repute have written the history of Alexander's exploits. From their writings we know that Aristotle was his tutor. Yet, these historians equivocally make him out as a heathen general whose debauchery and drunkenness contributed to his untimely death at the early age of 33. They show that he was an idolater, and actually claimed to be the son of the Egyptian god Amun. How, therefore, could he be considered to have the same prominence as a prophet, or even, as aya 84 clearly asserts, that Allah was the agent for his power?
Yet, what is even more troubling, there is no historical evidence anywhere that he built a wall of iron and brass between two mountains, a feat which, indeed, would have proven him to be one of the greatest builders or engineers in the history of mankind.
When we find the Qur'an so inaccurate in regard to Alexander, whose history is well known, we hesitate to accept as valuable or even as reliable the statements of the Qur'an about other matters of past history.
I3vii Creation
Sura 865-7 tells us that man is created from a gushing fluid that issues from between the loins and the ribs. Therefore, in this sura we find that the semen which creates a child originates from the back or kidney of the male and not the testicles.I3viii Pharaoh's Cross
In sura 7124 we find Pharoah admonishing his sorcerers because they believe in the superiority of Moses's power over theirs. Pharoah threatens them with cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, and then says they will all die on the cross. But their were no crosses in those days. Crucifixion was first practised by the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians and then borrowed extensively by the Romans close to the time of Christ, 1700 years after Pharaoh!I3ix Other Scientific problems
a. Sura 1666 mentions that cow's milk comes from between the excrement and the blood of the cow's abdomen. What does this mean?c. sura 638 says that all animals and flying beings form communities, like humans. I would like to ask whether this includes spiders, where in some species the female eats the male after mating has taken place. Is that a community like ours?
d. sura 2545-46 maintains that it is the sun which moves to create shadows. Yet, I have always been taught that it was the rotation of the earth which caused shadows to move, while the sun remained quite still (i.e. thus the importance of sundials in earlier days).
e. sura 171 says Muhammad went to the "farthest Mosque" during his journey by night (the Mi'raj), which Muslims explain was the Dome of the Rock mosque, in Jerusalem. But there was no mosque in Jerusalem during the life of Muhammad, and the Dome of the Rock was not built until 690 C.E., by the Amir 'Abd al Malik, a full 58 years after Muhammad's death! There was not even a temple in existence at that time. The temple of Jerusalem had been destroyed by Titus 570 years before this vision. So what was this mosque Muhammad supposedly saw?
I4 Absurdities
There are other errors which are statements or stories which simply make no sense at all, and put into question the integrity of the writer or writers of the Qur'an.I4i Man's Greatness
Sura 459 states,"Greater surely than the creation of man is the creation of the heavens and the earth; but most men know it not." This implies that greatness is only measured by size; that the mere vastness of the physical universe make it greater than man, an argument which would make a football of immensely greater value than the largest diamond. Our scripture tells us that Man's greatness lies not in his size, but in his relationship with God, that he is made in God's image, a claim which no other animate or inanimate object can make.I4ii Seven Earths
Sura 6512 reads, "It is God who hath created seven heavens and as many earths." We would love to know where the other six earths are. If these refer to the planets in our solar system, then they are short by two (and now possibly three).I4iii Jinns & Shooting stars
Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 376-10; 5533-35; 675; & 726-9.How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?
I4iv Solomon's power over naturea. Birds and ants
King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 2716) and the speech of ants (sura 2718-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 1053-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 2717). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 2720-27).Note According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff).
b. Jinn
The Jinn were forced to work for Solomon, making him whatever he pleased, such as palaces, statues, large dishes, and brass fountains (sura 3411-13). A malignant jinn was even commissioned to bring the Queen of Sheba's throne in the twinkling of an eye (sura 2738-44).c. Wind
The wind was subject to Solomon, travelling a month's journey both in the morning and in the evening (though the wisdom of its timing is somehow lost in translation) (sura 311; 2181).d. Ants talk
The ants, upon seeing Solomon and his army arriving in their valley (and by implication recognizing who he was), talk among themselves to flee underground so as not to be crushed (sura 271.I4v Youth and dog sleep 309 years
Sura 189-25 tells the story of some youths (the exact number is debated) and a dog who sleep for 309 years with their eyes open and their ears closed (Note Yusuf Ali's attempts to delineate the exact time period of this story in footnote no.2365, and then concludes that it is merely a parable).The object of this story is to show Allah's power to keep those who trust in him, including the dog, without food or water for as long as he likes.
I4vi People become apes
In suras 265-66 and 7163-167, Allah turns certain fishing people who break the Jewish sabbath into apes for their disobedience. Had Darwin read the Qur'an, his theory on evolution may have parallelled "Planet of the Apes" rather then the other way around.I4vii Sodom & Gomorrah turned upside-down
In suras 1181-83; 1574 the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are turned upside-down and rained upon with clay-like brimstone, upon whose surface were marked the destiny of the wicked people who lived there.I4viii Jacob's Smell & Sight
In sura 1293-96 Joseph sends his coat to his father as proof of his existence. But as the caravan leaves Egypt, Jacob, who is in Canaan smells Joseph, who is hundreds of miles away (aya 94). Then the coat, when it arrives, is placed over the face of his father Jacob and suddenly he receives his sight. Now we know why Andrew Lloyd Weber added the word "amazing" to the title of his musical, "Joseph's Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat."I4ix Night/Day/Sun/Moon are subject to man
In sura 1612-15 the day and night as well as the Sun and Moon are surprisingly all made subject to man. That would imply that we had control over the rotation of our planet, as well as the entire movement of our solar system (Yusuf Ali's explanation of this odd pronouncement in note no.2031 is rather interesting).
Is this enough or do you want some more. Oh please do not shirk that Thunder and lightening thngy error i mentioned earlier as it would be so funny if you dared a reply.
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your webpage is so brutal
Starjade says; Nah is is simply blunt and to the point. I could have been harsh but instead I was being right nice considering there are those written and displayed who worship false prophets and false gods.
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"To make myself the new prophet, I must the make the old prophets look bad!"
Wow Starjade you had a sentence which didn't start with "Starjade says" A whole post no less...
I1ii Yahya
According to the Qur'an, no-one bore the name of Yahya before John the Baptist (sura 197). Yet, we find that name mentioned in the Old Testament (2 Kings 2523) implying that it was a well known name hundreds of years before the writing of the Qur'an.Foot... meet mouth
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I personally think this starjade guy is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. -[
Not one INTERNAL contradiction of the quran has been represented YET.
Starjade says; I will get back to you my Computer Time is out. Well now twop of you have loads of errors and contradictions to chew over now dont you. And this thread invited you all to another forum where those conversations had already begun into its 20 th page. Pay more attention,
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.
Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
OPF The Legendary King And Slaughterer of Demonic Beings Who Like the Colour Pink With a Hint Of [email protected] Says Firstly, I am not "you muslims".
Secondly, your knowledge of islam and general things (especially pertaining to reality) is weak. I remember something about a bark being worse than a bite, can it refer to a tree?
Thirdly, I addressed a fraction of your post in another thread or this thread and you failed to respond. That is equal to forfeiting.
But in any case, you, Starjade, the True Doomsday Prophet of The Living God Behind The Veiled Crack have met your match, for I am King Anubis the 32nd Of Zargon V Six Of the Twelfth Dimension, and my religious knowledge far outshines yours.
OPF - TLKASODWLTCPWAHOF, the One Prophesied in 381 will take five contradictions of your ridiculously long list and address them after you respond to the original. OPF must exit his mother's basement now.
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May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.
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Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.
No way!
Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious.
No, he copied nothing. God revealed the Quran to him. The 3 religions have similarites between them because they are coming from the same God.
The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
We do not believe that God promosed Moses to raise up a prophet in the midst of the "Jews". Muhammed is the last Prophet from God. We do not believe in the authenticity of the so-called Old Testament. Got it?
And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.
The Ishamelite? You really have no clue.
What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not thing they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.
I do not care what others worship ,but we worship the One and Only God ,not the moon or Muhammed.
Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm
Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
Crap. Those are not signs or miracles. I want a Burning Bush, a Walking on Water, or a Night Jouney.
It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.
Does that include Muslims and Arabs? And who are those Aliens?
Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts.
You have shown nothing so far.
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Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.
Nothing has been proven to be true by you. If you shattered her faith then she is by no means knowledgeable.
Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.
Do not judge the Quran based on the corrupted claims of the so-called Old Testament.
I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.
Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.
Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.
Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.
At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.
To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.Thutmoses 1/Amenhotep 1 were'nt/wasn't the Pharaoh of Moses. Historians do not know for sure when the Exodus happened for sure.
Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.
I found no errors or contradictions whatsoever.
Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer.
I seriously do not know what to say here!
In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues.
Never heard about her and do not care about her to be honest.
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May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.
Why, yes you can.
Just kidding, haha, I didn't say "OPF Says", it doesn't count. Funnily enough, I was just having a flick through... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCYjBaBAhs
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Hi Starjade,
I don't understand why you keep asking us to go to our Imams and scolars for help!!????
I don't think you have read up about us in this forum.
Many of us are backing off from traditional Islam and we also think that Quran has been awfully mistranslated.
Actually what is really a proof?
It sounds to me like you are a real agnostic who will wait for God to show himself infront of you
There are alot that do exist but we cannot see and/or touch it. But we have our soul, what we feel inside. People who are not in touch with their soul are not whole humans. A balance between the body and soul makes an healthy and terrifiq humanbeing.
Maria
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Starjade,
Thank you for displaying your skills in copying and pasting.
That said, STILL waiting for internal contradictions in the quran. Please present two or more supposedly contradicting verses (all from the quran) and explain why you think they are contradicting. Thank you.
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Just kidding, haha, I didn't say "OPF Says", it doesn't count. Funnily enough, I was just having a flick through... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCYjBaBAhs
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starjade actually leroy jenkins is famous in cyberspace... he even had a reference on jeopardy, so he is famous in real space too... iris? never saw her on jeopardy or youtube
and when i said your webpage is brutal i didn't mean that the content was harsh towards those it is speaking against... i meant it is brutal in the fact that it looks like absolute garbage, half the content is unreadable due to your bad font choices, and puff the magic dragon smoking a pipe is really distracting.
your layout blows.
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lmao, that link wasn't what I was expecting!
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"To make myself the new prophet, I must the make the old prophets look bad!"
Wow Starjade you had a sentence which didn't start with "Starjade says" A whole post no less...
Foot... meet mouth
Starjade says; Those you think are Prophets may not actually be Prophets. Just because you are led to believe they are Porphets that does not make them so. To be established as a prophet you need to accurately Prophesise the future and before more than two or three witnesses if you want to be established as a Porphet by religious law.
Now if I show that Jesus and Muhammad are frauds then they were not Prophets people only thought they were but false Prophets are presumtuous to think they could speak in Gods name.
My pointing out false Prophets is a good thing as following false Prophets is forbidden by the Living God.
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
OPF The Legendary King And Slaughterer of Demonic Beings Who Like the Colour Pink With a Hint Of [email protected] Says Firstly, I am not "you muslims".
Starjade says; When you attempt to defend islam the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad then that makes you a Muslim and if I write in the plural I am speaking to more than you. And I like the colour Pink also. I like many colours that is why I can tell the difference between black and white.
OPF you say; Secondly, your knowledge of islam and general things (especially pertaining to reality) is weak. I remember something about a bark being worse than a bite, can it refer to a tree?
Starjade laughs; I am a Tree of knowledge and know many things about the religion of Islam that will surprise you. But I do not want to show off too much of my power when it is best to remain silent so you Muslims fall into that sense of security only to then be blown away into the reality of your religious deceptions.
OPF you say; Thirdly, I addressed a fraction of your post in another thread or this thread and you failed to respond. That is equal to forfeiting.
Starjade says; I do not know what post you speak about. This is the only thread I have posted so far. If a reply is pending then show patience as my own Time is taxed doing all sorts of stuff. As a matter of fact I wrote a reply to some things you said last night. I was going to edit it for posting but as you grow impatient you can take it as it is.
Islam is the one who is losing this argument. Again and again I see you Muslims shirk away from the many errors that exist in the Koran. I even left you easy ones to refute whiles the others are beyond your abilities. Hence your silence.
OPF you say; But in any case, you, Starjade, the True Doomsday Prophet of The Living God Behind The Veiled Crack have met your match, for I am King Anubis the 32nd Of Zargon V Six Of the Twelfth Dimension, and my religious knowledge far outshines yours.
Starjade says; Really and there was me a Prophet from the Living God just thinking you were an idiot.
OPF you say; OPF - TLKASODWLTCPWAHOF, the One Prophesied in 381 will take five contradictions of your ridiculously long list and address them after you respond to the original. OPF must exit his mother's basement now.
Don?t know what you are babbling about but my original list of errors are Starjades 21 errors found in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad. They are a bit deep for you to be able to manage methinks.
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2Pac - Notts you said; I personally think this starjade guy is suffering from some kind of mental disorder.
Starjade laughs; A Muslim who gives worship to the moon says I must have a mental disorder. Try and remind yourself that I came here inviting the whole of Islam to try and defend the Koran and the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations. So far I have named many errors in the Koran and in the belief of Muhammad and his followers and yet you shirk a reply to those matters. It is a funny thing that the word Lunacy is pertaining to the mooin that you worship. Not hard to reason why.
2Pac - Notts you said; Not one INTERNAL contradiction of the quran has been represented YET.
Starjade doth say; Now you are in error with this lie for these pages record many errors and internal contradictions in the Koran. So stop shirking. Besides I thought it would be right nice to invite you all to Conspiracy Central rather than display those words here that destroy your religion. They are waiting on that forum to see islam bite the Dust before their very eyes. They have heard my brag the brag and talk the talk now they want to see me walk the walk and believe me I can do that and with a swagger.
2Pac - Notts you said; Instead of promoting your site why not post a topic on here starting with your "supposed" contradiction of the quran and then we can discuss further.
Starjade says; The End of Times web site does not belong to me. It was created by the American Philosopher Liberty Girl. I link to that web site because it already had data written and so that saves my repeating myself. After all many ask the same Questions and so be sure I am prepared. As for Conspiracy Central that is not my web site either. I just happened to surf on by and ventured in. Already the Sura 482 challenge has reached 20 pages long and still rising.
The Sura 482 challenge is a way that the errors in the Koran can be discussed and under Islamic law. So then why are you shirking those errors pretending that you are blind and cannot see when all along you had been blind but now have that power to see more further than you have ever done before. Mind you there will always be those that will dwell forever in the dark no matter what light shines upon them.
2Pac - Notts you said; By the way using bible or any other source which isn't based on logic and reasoning would be illogical to refute contradictions within the Quran because then any mad man can make up a theory or pull history out of his ass and use it to make up a contradiction....it doesn't work like that starjade.
Starjade says; As can be seen I have been using the words of the Koran. But as Muhammad claims that he is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And as 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being which happens to be that very Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And as Muhammad and the Koran speak of Moses and Isaiah and other Prophets of the Old Testament as well as the false prophets of the New Testament. Then the Old and New testament does have every right to be mentioned and pretending the Old Testament isn?t valid is just not going to wash with me when Muhammad and the Koran sure as hell consider it valid. Of course the New Testament was a Roman fabrication but the Koran does mention Jesus and so your entire argument on that score is not valid.
By the way I have seen every Islamic scam and shirk in the book. There must be a book of these things in Islamic propaganda and so do not try the old oh we don?t believe in the Old Testament rubbish. The Koran would be an empty book without the statements and Prophecies of the Old Testament and Muhammad could not make his proclamations of being that Prophet without the Old Testament and Moses and Isaiah. Be wary then before you start to play your games and by the way have some respect. These conversations no matter where they are on any forum are all done under Islamic law. So button it up and start to give that account for the many errors found in the Koran instead of trying to shirk those errors with glib abuse.
2Pac - Notts you said; Take time to study the subject your refuting and then bring an argument instead of blabbing nonsense history and circular arguments. PEACE
Starjade says; I was taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts and they also taught me some Islamic law and the way a Muslim mind thinks. I know my subject very well which is why I am the challenger and you have a Kuffars shirk bone. I have one simple argument but it runs deep. I want all religious scholars of all religions to think about this argument.
Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law brought down by Moses from the Living God and is therefore known to be the actual word of the Living God. It can be established by Deuteronomy law that I am a genuine Prophet. With a provable connection to the Living God. Who has already had a hand in a Miracle right here on earth. In addition, who has already approached the descendants of Abraham with a view to a Mass exodus of the Descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the globe? They will Exodus to Africa in my apocalyptic plans and build a biosphere. The Third temple to the Living God whiles they await a new land that I have promised them which will arrive in the South Eastern Atlantic Basin next to Africa on that apocalyptic day. This way they will survive that apocalypse and everything else will die.
To fully grasp and understand what a Prophet from the living God is truly talking about you will have to understand the Old Testament and the Jews religion. They are waiting for a Prophet to come from the Living God to do just that. To cause that world wide Exodus I would have to be able to establish for a fact that I alone am that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. In addition, according to Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards I can actually do that. That is something nobody else on this Planet who has ever lived can do. Jesus and Muhammad cannot. They have no witness testimony to back up their silly claims.
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I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already walked that Exodus walk and done those deeds and the Exodus plans are pending fulfilment. In case you are truly religiously ignorant let me be specific. The very Prophet that those Jews had been waiting for is that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Remind yourself that according to Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards laws I am established as being a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already performed a miracle right here on earth. I have already fulfilled that prophecy by my own acts and deeds. The Exodus is still pending along with the Third temple because the Jews are and always have been a blasphemous people. Always worshipping Golden Calves and breaking their Covenant with the Living God.
To cut the matter short. There is an apocalypse on the horizon that will cause mass extinction to every oxygen breathing life form on this Planet. The Jews are waiting for a prophet from the Living God to arrive and gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them to a New land and they expect that Prophet to build that Third Temple to the Living God. As I have seen those future apocalyptic earthquakes, I see that as a Good way to move potentially billions out of those earthquakes zones and build a biosphere for them all to live in. In doing that deed I will have saved the lives of potentially billions even though the only real Chosen ones are those that belong to the Living God which are the first born of man and beast. I just like to broaden my horizons. I do not give a damn that they are Jews. I do not care about the descendants of Abraham. It is just that they are the only ones in their millions of millions who are waiting for a Prophet from the Living God to do all those Exodus plans. That Exodus is the solution to that extinction that will occur when that ever nearing apocalypse happens. And trust in me I have the date of that event as I saw it happen with my own eyes.
Now then when I look out upon the religious congregations of this world, I see Muslims and Christians. They in their silly worlds of delusion believe that Jesus or Muhammad is that specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Now I know they are both liars and frauds because as Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards can establish, only I could be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet.
So it is then a natural order of things that I shall go forth and expose those frauds in the eyes of their own congregations and squash the beliefs of those false pretenders to my Throne and cause them to bite Dust. Trust me I do that very easily. Now for me I plan to save the lives of potentially billions of people. Your those people and so are your children. It can be established by religious law that I do prophesise genuine earthquakes. So the grave grim apocalyptic situation I speak about is a genuine event of the future that will soon be upon you. I hear fools laugh and they also laughed at Noah but he was the wise in the end and they who did not believe perished.
Jesus bit the dust long ago. But do not forget that Ishmael was a descendant of Abraham and they are today?s Arabs. They foolishly invented a new Golden Calf called the Koran. I have already spoken of them worshipping the moon, which is detestable in the eyes of the living God. So a way must be found to stop that and convert them. The Sura 482 of the Koran and the Islamic law I have invoke has that potential if they were genuine Muslims.
From my mind I see a way to save a planet from extinction. From the Christians and Muslims point of view I am attacking your idols and Golden Calves and so you insult me and cast spuke and abuse. Who then stands in the right. I am a world saviour a true Messiah with plans to save a Planet and to fulfil the will and the wishes of the Living God to whom even the living God said you should hearken.
Or is it you Moon worshippers and idolisers of man and beasts in the form of Golden calves that are presumptuous to think that they could speak in Gods name. I have every right to condemn you and your idols and golden calves. They stand against the actual word of the Living God and they will cause those congregations to face that grim extinction.
I speak of the why I am established as being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Why I go to such lengths to prove that to be a fact before the very eyes of the congregations. Why I am actively bringing your false religions to bear forcing you all to bite the Dust.
And what excuse can you give for your false Prophets who cannot be established by Deuteronomy law not did they attempt that world wide exodus. Your reasons are only your own ego?s and idolisations. That lonely experience that makes you all feel a part of the crowd. You cannot establish your false prophets to be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet or Prophets from God at all. Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God already stands against them as well as your own doctrines. How sad is that. When your buildings fall down upon you on that grim apocalyptic day your false Prophets will not be coming to save you for in them you had been misled. There is only one genuine Prophet from the Living God thinking of you during those grave Times which is why I came back in the past to find a way to warn you.
You talk as if you are religious yet you worship false gods and false Prophets and ignore the actual word of the Living God and the Living Gods Prophets. To me the living God said you must hearken but I see you are blind men without insight. Do not tell me you are religious when you stand against the actual word of the Living God to spout presumptuous claims about your false Prophets to someone who can be established by Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God to be a genuine Prophet who has come from the Living God.
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I presented you with facts to show those you believed in the past are false prophets who are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name. Have none of you got that little thing called common sense. Already before your very eyes islam has bitten the Dust. Your Islamic scholars cannot defend islam or the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. Your own religious leaders dare not make accusations of blasphemy against me because they know Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards means there would be a public trial and I will crucify Islam and Christianity with my God given Revelations.
In addition, whiles I take this visit to spare moment?s farm remind your self that Muhammad in his presumptuousness, said he was the last prophet to come from god. hahahaha of course he did say the false prophet jesus would come after him. And the Christians claim Jesus to be a prophet as you already know.
Well get a load of me, who is established by Deuteronomy law, which is the actual word of the Living God, to be that very specific Deuteronomy Prophet who has come from the Living God, that the Living God himself promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. This is who it is that you are facing in this Sura 482 challenge. And you did hear me say go fetch your religious scholars and imams to help you because you truly will need that support even though I already know just as they do that they are powerless against me and my God given Revelations. I just like to show that point to bring the matter to that conclusion. Islam and the Koran and the claims of Jesus and Muhammad have bitten the Dust. Wake up and face that reality or never say with any justification that you are a religious ever again.
And he began to make the ark; and whenever the chiefs from among his people passed by him they laughed at him. He said If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).
Hahaha and as you requested I posted even more errors found in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad. Why then are you shirking all of these errors that I mention. Anyways these are my arguments. But as I am on a roll here is another error to ponder upon. It is known the Jews waited for a prophet to come from the Living God and gather them up from the four corners of the globe. Go ask a Jew if you do not believe me. Choose an Israelite Jew as the Ishmaelites now worship the moon and forget the way of the Living God.
However, in the Claims of Christianity and Islam you all forget. During the Times when Jesus and Muhammad were claimed to have lived, those Jews were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That scattering of the Jews only happened during the world wars. Therefore, it was never possible for Jesus or Muhammad to have been that Deuteronomy Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. They never were in any position to fulfil that End of Times Prophecy. Now come on how do you explain that hard to miss fact. Have your religious leaders been asleep over the centuries.
Muhammad claimed he had fulfilled Prophecies made by Isaiah. But what explanation do you have as to why Muhammad and Jesus never fulfilled this exodus Prophecy. Or why that could not be possible to gather up the Jews from the four corners of the globe blowing out all of their claims just on those very Exodus Matters.
Isaiah 1111 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 1112 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Don?t you Muslims think it is Time you listened to the Islamic law that I have invoked in the very beginnings. And listened for a change to the Koran itself when it says; Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Starjade concludes. I find it most funny that this Sura is found in that Chapter named women. Its so apt. Wrinkly old women might be better. Or Kuffar Shirkers of the Koran might even be more accurate.
Now come on 2Pac - Notts and Navid and the rest of you. You demanded to see a list of errors because the errors I already showed you took you out of your depth. You must refute all these errors and with sound reason. Not with the shirk of you don?t believe spwek. We are not discussing your beliefs but the statements of the Koran and the claims of Muhammad.
This other list of errors is small I have many many more that can and will overwhelm you. If your religious scholars and Imams became lost then you are way out in the wilderness of Sin.
In addition, I am just one man who has challenged the whole of Islam and it is Islam, the Koran, and the claims of Muhammad that continue to bite the Dust.
Read this narrative from Yusuf. It is as Muhammad a point to be made that Muhammad after hearing these tales from the Old Testament wrote what he recalled was the best parts of the stories that he could recall from the Old Testament. But of course he did not recall that tale well did he.
We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.
The Old Testament is more clear and tells the tale with clarity and truth. The Korans tale of this portion of the Old Testament is annoying to me. Joseph was a dreamer of dreams and this tale in the Koran turns the story to nightmares destroying the tale for a deceptive mans convenience. What is more in the Old testament is a secret knowledge hidden between the lines. In the Koran in Muhammad?s re written version of the tale causes that hidden knowledge to be lost causing my teeth to gnash.