Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.

[unknownuser]

I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already walked that Exodus walk and done those deeds and the Exodus plans are pending fulfilment. In case you are truly religiously ignorant let me be specific. The very Prophet that those Jews had been waiting for is that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Remind yourself that according to Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards laws I am established as being a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has already performed a miracle right here on earth. I have already fulfilled that prophecy by my own acts and deeds. The Exodus is still pending along with the Third temple because the Jews are and always have been a blasphemous people. Always worshipping Golden Calves and breaking their Covenant with the Living God.

To cut the matter short. There is an apocalypse on the horizon that will cause mass extinction to every oxygen breathing life form on this Planet. The Jews are waiting for a prophet from the Living God to arrive and gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them to a New land and they expect that Prophet to build that Third Temple to the Living God. As I have seen those future apocalyptic earthquakes, I see that as a Good way to move potentially billions out of those earthquakes zones and build a biosphere for them all to live in. In doing that deed I will have saved the lives of potentially billions even though the only real Chosen ones are those that belong to the Living God which are the first born of man and beast. I just like to broaden my horizons. I do not give a damn that they are Jews. I do not care about the descendants of Abraham. It is just that they are the only ones in their millions of millions who are waiting for a Prophet from the Living God to do all those Exodus plans. That Exodus is the solution to that extinction that will occur when that ever nearing apocalypse happens. And trust in me I have the date of that event as I saw it happen with my own eyes.

Now then when I look out upon the religious congregations of this world, I see Muslims and Christians. They in their silly worlds of delusion believe that Jesus or Muhammad is that specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. Now I know they are both liars and frauds because as Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards can establish, only I could be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet.

So it is then a natural order of things that I shall go forth and expose those frauds in the eyes of their own congregations and squash the beliefs of those false pretenders to my Throne and cause them to bite Dust. Trust me I do that very easily. Now for me I plan to save the lives of potentially billions of people. Your those people and so are your children. It can be established by religious law that I do prophesise genuine earthquakes. So the grave grim apocalyptic situation I speak about is a genuine event of the future that will soon be upon you. I hear fools laugh and they also laughed at Noah but he was the wise in the end and they who did not believe perished.

Jesus bit the dust long ago. But do not forget that Ishmael was a descendant of Abraham and they are today?s Arabs. They foolishly invented a new Golden Calf called the Koran. I have already spoken of them worshipping the moon, which is detestable in the eyes of the living God. So a way must be found to stop that and convert them. The Sura 482 of the Koran and the Islamic law I have invoke has that potential if they were genuine Muslims.

From my mind I see a way to save a planet from extinction. From the Christians and Muslims point of view I am attacking your idols and Golden Calves and so you insult me and cast spuke and abuse. Who then stands in the right. I am a world saviour a true Messiah with plans to save a Planet and to fulfil the will and the wishes of the Living God to whom even the living God said you should hearken.

Or is it you Moon worshippers and idolisers of man and beasts in the form of Golden calves that are presumptuous to think that they could speak in Gods name. I have every right to condemn you and your idols and golden calves. They stand against the actual word of the Living God and they will cause those congregations to face that grim extinction.

I speak of the why I am established as being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Why I go to such lengths to prove that to be a fact before the very eyes of the congregations. Why I am actively bringing your false religions to bear forcing you all to bite the Dust.

And what excuse can you give for your false Prophets who cannot be established by Deuteronomy law not did they attempt that world wide exodus. Your reasons are only your own ego?s and idolisations. That lonely experience that makes you all feel a part of the crowd. You cannot establish your false prophets to be that specific Deuteronomy Prophet or Prophets from God at all. Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God already stands against them as well as your own doctrines. How sad is that. When your buildings fall down upon you on that grim apocalyptic day your false Prophets will not be coming to save you for in them you had been misled. There is only one genuine Prophet from the Living God thinking of you during those grave Times which is why I came back in the past to find a way to warn you.

You talk as if you are religious yet you worship false gods and false Prophets and ignore the actual word of the Living God and the Living Gods Prophets. To me the living God said you must hearken but I see you are blind men without insight. Do not tell me you are religious when you stand against the actual word of the Living God to spout presumptuous claims about your false Prophets to someone who can be established by Deuteronomy law and the word of the Living God to be a genuine Prophet who has come from the Living God.

[unknownuser]

I presented you with facts to show those you believed in the past are false prophets who are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name. Have none of you got that little thing called common sense. Already before your very eyes islam has bitten the Dust. Your Islamic scholars cannot defend islam or the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. Your own religious leaders dare not make accusations of blasphemy against me because they know Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards means there would be a public trial and I will crucify Islam and Christianity with my God given Revelations.

In addition, whiles I take this visit to spare moment?s farm remind your self that Muhammad in his presumptuousness, said he was the last prophet to come from god. hahahaha of course he did say the false prophet jesus would come after him. And the Christians claim Jesus to be a prophet as you already know.

Well get a load of me, who is established by Deuteronomy law, which is the actual word of the Living God, to be that very specific Deuteronomy Prophet who has come from the Living God, that the Living God himself promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. This is who it is that you are facing in this Sura 482 challenge. And you did hear me say go fetch your religious scholars and imams to help you because you truly will need that support even though I already know just as they do that they are powerless against me and my God given Revelations. I just like to show that point to bring the matter to that conclusion. Islam and the Koran and the claims of Jesus and Muhammad have bitten the Dust. Wake up and face that reality or never say with any justification that you are a religious ever again.

And he began to make the ark; and whenever the chiefs from among his people passed by him they laughed at him. He said If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).

Hahaha and as you requested I posted even more errors found in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad. Why then are you shirking all of these errors that I mention. Anyways these are my arguments. But as I am on a roll here is another error to ponder upon. It is known the Jews waited for a prophet to come from the Living God and gather them up from the four corners of the globe. Go ask a Jew if you do not believe me. Choose an Israelite Jew as the Ishmaelites now worship the moon and forget the way of the Living God.

However, in the Claims of Christianity and Islam you all forget. During the Times when Jesus and Muhammad were claimed to have lived, those Jews were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That scattering of the Jews only happened during the world wars. Therefore, it was never possible for Jesus or Muhammad to have been that Deuteronomy Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. They never were in any position to fulfil that End of Times Prophecy. Now come on how do you explain that hard to miss fact. Have your religious leaders been asleep over the centuries.

Muhammad claimed he had fulfilled Prophecies made by Isaiah. But what explanation do you have as to why Muhammad and Jesus never fulfilled this exodus Prophecy. Or why that could not be possible to gather up the Jews from the four corners of the globe blowing out all of their claims just on those very Exodus Matters.

Isaiah 1111 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 1112 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Don?t you Muslims think it is Time you listened to the Islamic law that I have invoked in the very beginnings. And listened for a change to the Koran itself when it says; Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Starjade concludes. I find it most funny that this Sura is found in that Chapter named women. Its so apt. Wrinkly old women might be better. Or Kuffar Shirkers of the Koran might even be more accurate.

Now come on 2Pac - Notts and Navid and the rest of you. You demanded to see a list of errors because the errors I already showed you took you out of your depth. You must refute all these errors and with sound reason. Not with the shirk of you don?t believe spwek. We are not discussing your beliefs but the statements of the Koran and the claims of Muhammad.

This other list of errors is small I have many many more that can and will overwhelm you. If your religious scholars and Imams became lost then you are way out in the wilderness of Sin.

In addition, I am just one man who has challenged the whole of Islam and it is Islam, the Koran, and the claims of Muhammad that continue to bite the Dust.

Read this narrative from Yusuf. It is as Muhammad a point to be made that Muhammad after hearing these tales from the Old Testament wrote what he recalled was the best parts of the stories that he could recall from the Old Testament. But of course he did not recall that tale well did he.

We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.

The Old Testament is more clear and tells the tale with clarity and truth. The Korans tale of this portion of the Old Testament is annoying to me. Joseph was a dreamer of dreams and this tale in the Koran turns the story to nightmares destroying the tale for a deceptive mans convenience. What is more in the Old testament is a secret knowledge hidden between the lines. In the Koran in Muhammad?s re written version of the tale causes that hidden knowledge to be lost causing my teeth to gnash.

[unknownuser]

Well I see you have all been busy writing something. It may take a whiles for me to read and reply. So please be patient. After all you would want be to be diligent. I may have to post the replies on the morrow as my Time is taxed and computer time scarce. But I will get around to replying. As I have said if I am barred from posting and a silence ensures that woiuld be the reason. So email me at [email protected] should that occur.

[unknownuser]

May I join your cult O Greatest Cthulhuesque Entity Of The Deep? I must ask my mother for the use of her attic before I can actually.

Starjade says; A moderator of an Islamic forum avoiding speaking of those errors in the Koran. Wassamatter dont you have some answer to those matters? Of course I already gave the answer and so has the Koran. Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

[unknownuser]

Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.

Peaceful Mind you said; No way!

Starjade says; Your very silence gives you away. None of you want to speak on this matter of Jesus and Muhammad both claiming to be the very same Prophet or of Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. These facts show the claims of Muhammad to be in serious error.

Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious.

Peaceful Mind No, he copied nothing. God revealed the Quran to him. The 3 religions have similarites between them because they are coming from the same God.

Starjade says; Only Muhammad says that God revealed the Koran to him. There is no evidence that is true and by the Sura 482 it is a certain fact that with so many errors existing in the Koran and the claims of Muhammad then God did not reveal the Koran to Muhammad. Muhammad tried to recall those Biblical tales writ and more legible then the Korans stories. But Muhammad re wrote the stories into his own wrong versions to mislead people.

The Christians religion is similar as they kept to as much detail as possible. But the Koran is way off the topic altering the Biblical tales with a feeble account in the Koran.

The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.

Peaceful Mind We do not believe that God promosed Moses to raise up a prophet in the midst of the "Jews". Muhammed is the last Prophet from God. We do not believe in the authenticity of the so-called Old Testament. Got it?

Starjade says; How convenient. But Muslims world wide are arguing over this matter of from thy brethren because Muhammad claimed he was that Deuteronomy Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Surely some Muslim has told you that before. Try doing some research before you voice that opinion. The living God can send as many prophets to this Planet as God wants. It is not the place of any mortal man to say otherwise.

The long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet was known as the last Prophet the End of Times Prophet in mans nicknames because that Deuteronomy Prophet was expected by the Prophets to appear near to the End of Times when a grave apocalypse would strike this Planet and just as it was in the days of Noah there would be an extinction of the species.

Furthermore Muhammad who proclaimed himself to being that very Deuteronomy Prophet that Jesus had already proclaimed himself as being is in fact proven to be a liar and a fraud by the Sura 482 of the Koran by the many errors found in the Koran that you Muslims are all shirking. So his word isn?t worth diddly squat.

In case you fell asleep during these conversations it can be established by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 law that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God. Once again Muhammad is seen to be caught out in a lie that you are fool enough to believe.

http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm

As for the authenticity of the Old Testament. If it was not relevant as you claim then why is the Koran speaking badly worded versions of Old Testament stories. And the same goes for the New Testament which is false.

And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.

Peaceful Mind The Ishamelite? You really have no clue.

Starjade says; I have spoke with Israelites and Ishmaelite on these matters and other matters regarding the Exodus because they are descendants of Abraham. The rest of you Muslims are not of interest to me as you are not of Abraham?s seed. That does not mean I would not save you as alien residents but I cannot save worshippers of the moon or other false god worshippers and false prophet idolaters. So it is you who does not know what they are talking about. hmm

[Navid]

Now come on 2Pac - Notts and Navid and the rest of you. You demanded to see a list of errors because the errors I already showed you took you out of your depth. You must refute all these errors and with sound reason. Not with the shirk of you don?t believe spwek. We are not discussing your beliefs but the statements of the Koran and the claims of Muhammad.

There are no errors. Please show me one internal error. Just one, that's all I ask.

[AaRoN]

i should write 100 posts and just repeat myself over and over in every post

[unknownuser]

There are no errors. Please show me one internal error. Just one, that's all I ask.

I have already shown you many internal errors in the Koran so stop shirking read them and reply. Denial is futile it just shows you to be a shirking Kuffar.

[unknownuser]

i should write 100 posts and just repeat myself over and over in every post

I have a better idea instead of feeding bulldump as an exuse to avoid those errors in the Koran why not try and explain them away. rotfl

[unknownuser]

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What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not think they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.

Peaceful Mind you said; I do not care what others worship ,but we worship the One and Only God ,not the moon or Muhammad.

Starjade says; Type Hubal al?ilah into your search engine for you are being deceived you may say and think you worship the only God but in Islam that could be a choice of many hundreds. It isn?t true. You do not give worship to the Living God and your rites in your religion are rites performed for the worship of hubal al?ilah. Did you all think we did not know these things.

Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm

Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm

Peaceful Mind you said; Crap. Those are not signs or miracles. I want a Burning Bush, a Walking on Water, or a Night Jouney.

Starjade says; It is still a miracle. Your dreams and delusions are not something the Living God or I care about. You get what you are given. That Mexican women praying to God for help and those babies are still called miracle babies to this day. It is a world wide recognised miracle. Those signs in the heavens were Prophesied by Prophets and all came to pass whiles I was having conversations with the Jews with a view to a world wide exodus. Like that or not. It is still valid in accordance with Deuteronomy law. It is your comments that cause me to say bring me your religious scholars and Imams and religious leaders. These things are beyond the grasp of ordinary mankind.

It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.

Peaceful Mind you said;Does that include Muslims and Arabs? And who are those Aliens?

Starjade says; The Arabs are the Ishmaelite. It does not say in the Old Testament that any Muslim will be saved or any Christian. They did not exist in those Times. As for the Aliens they are those who were not Hebrew yet embraced the Hebrews religion and the Living God as their God.

Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts.

Peaceful Mind you said; You have shown nothing so far.

Starjade says; That is a deceptive lie from a shirking Kuffar. I have staggered you all with data pertaining to errors in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad. And I gave you all a link to another web site where this challenge already is into its 20 page. So far you have all been avoiding speaking of those errors but the day will come when you must face up to these things like men.

Already you have bitten the Dust as any true religious scholar who understands these things can see. eat rotfl

[unknownuser]

Starjade says; You may believe what you want but if it is proven to be true then it is true no matter what you believe. Iris is very knowledgeable. Again however there is that contradiction because of the matter of Jesus. Her faith certainly got shattered by my Revelations.

Peaceful Mind you said; Nothing has been proven to be true by you. If you shattered her faith then she is by no means knowledgeable.

Starjade says; Everything I say has been proven true. You just are in denial drowning in delusions fraught with grief. I agree with you on the religious grounds for I showed her how Jesus is a fraud. The evidence was there for her to see and she certainly saw it. But religions can be hard for people to shake off after all the idolisation that has taken place. The evidence speaks for itself. So in that sense she is lacking knowledge.

However, her knowledge of religions is staggering nay astonishing, as you will find out when she has the Time to appear. Oh and by the way. She does not like the way Muslims treat women.

Starjade says; Sometimes I have to bring evidence to the table and that can tax my Time. On another forum in the arguments of who adopted Moses the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran or the Daughter of the Pharaoh as it said in the Old Testament. That took about a week as I had then to study Egyptian history to find out the truth. The Koran was of course wrong it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not the wife.

Peaceful Mind you said; Do not judge the Quran based on the corrupted claims of the so-called Old Testament.

Starjade laughs. The Old Testament is the origin of the tale of Moses. The Koran is not even a good copy. And its tale is in serious error. I was in conversations with a Dr Maybe on the Why Islam forum when this adopted by the Pharaoh?s daughter thing came about. Dr Maybee suggested that it was possible the daughter was at that Time married to the Pharaoh and also a Pharaoh?s daughter at the same Time.

I could see that was a possible explanation for that error and contradiction in the Koran. So I then studied Egyptian history to find if that was true. Nefure hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses and only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Then if she had not married the ruling Crown by Egyptian law would have gone to another family. So the Koran was in error to say it was the wife of the Pharaoh.

I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.

Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.

Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.

Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emperor over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was.

At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of ?Hatshepsut? and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as ?King?. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt.

To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. So Egyptian history does prove the Koran is in error.
Starjade concludes. I had to wade through staggering amounts of Egyptian history to find the truth and it took me ages of studying Egyptian text. You see the Muslim argued was it possible that the daughter was also married to a pharaoh hence she could be the wife as it says in the Koran and the daughter as it says in the Old Testament. However, upon diligent inquisition it was found that Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. You see I do look things up to be sure of what is true against what is not. The Koran was in error.

Peaceful Mind you said; Thutmoses 1/Amenhotep 1 were'nt/wasn't the Pharaoh of Moses. Historians do not know for sure when the Exodus happened for sure.

Starjade says; No he was the father of Nefure Hatshepsut who adopted Moses. Moses was to become his prince regent. Historians make all kinds of claims. I looked at the whole of Egyptian History of that Time period and trust me dr. Maybe was going to check as well as thousands of more Muslims on the forum we were speaking on. I made no mistake. Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. Only after Moses killed the Egyptian and fled did she marry and that was the Pharaoh that Moses went to face with his brother Aaron.

Do you Muslims and others note the lists of errors I name in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad are continually rising.

Peaceful Mind you said; I found no errors or contradictions whatsoever.

Starjade laughs; I have seen your denial in other places. In Islam it is called Shirking. Try reading page 5 more closely. In fact every page describes errors found in the Koran and in the claims and beliefs of Moses. It must be so comforting to you to hide in a shirk rather than face up to a thing called responsibility. It is so easy for Muslims to shirk Islamic law as a matter of convenience and to ignore the Sura 482 challenge of the Koran. Tell you what go fetch you mommy online seeing as you are so afraid of reality. I shall chat with her. Muslim women have a better backbone then the man.

Starjade laughs so now she is not going to be in your dreams eh? Being stood up in a dream is an ego shatterer.

Peaceful Mind you said; I seriously do not know what to say here!

Starjade scoffs; yes we can tell by the shirkers silence.

In Cyberspace iris is very well known. One could consider her in religious debates she is a predator with issues.

Peaceful Mind you said; Never heard about her and do not care about her to be honest.

Starjade says; Phew trust me you are going to know when she arrives. Fret notteth for you still have me to deal with and I am you worst nightmare come true. I am a real live genuine Prophet from the Living God. That specific Deuteronomy Prophet. I laugh in the face of Jews Muslims and Christians over that reality as they all wince in pain as they end up biting the Dust. eat rotfl

[unknownuser]

Maria you said; Hi Starjade, I don't understand why you keep asking us to go to our Imams and scolars for help!!? I don't think you have read up about us in this forum.Many of us are backing off from traditional Islam and we also think that Quran has been awfully mistranslated.

Starjade says; I was challenged by Horseonwheels to come to this forum with my Revelations. I suggested it was better you all came to conspiracy central as the conversations already had begun. I said as he wrote on this forum then go invite you all. But he has chickens legs. So I came here in person to challenge all the Islamic scholars he said exist on this forum. Imams memorise the Koran and Islamic scholars are better prepared to try and defend the Koran from my Revelations in that soon they know they cannot defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad. They see that right away and so the point is made faster.

Maria you said; Actually what is really a proof?

Starjade says; Evidence that something is not true.

Maria you said; It sounds to me like you are a real agnostic who will wait for God to show himself infront of you

Starjade says; I have already had a personal encounter with the Living God when I died way back in 1980. Now I am on an apocalyptic mission. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterone.htm

Maria you said; There are alot that do exist but we cannot see and/or touch it. But we have our soul, what we feel inside. People who are not in touch with their soul are not whole humans. A balance between the body and soul makes an healthy and terrifiq human being. Maria

Starjade says; When you read my Journey beyond the grave you will see I have seen my own Soul and resurrected it into my own dead body. You are misjudging me.

[Navid]

There are no errors. Please show me one internal error. Just one, that's all I ask.

No you have not. All of your so-called errors are in reference to things outside of the quran. If I missed one "error," quote it here, please.

[unknownuser]

Stop shirking those errors exist in the Koran. So check again instead of making excuses as to why you avoid them. 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus for a starter. I note all Muslims avoid that conflict. rotfl Bit hard to explain isnt it. rotfl

Hey why not give an explanation to this error in the Koran. No Muslim touched upon that either.

Issa
The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it.

What about these errors in the Koran.

Mountains
Suras 1615; 2131; 3110; 786-7; 8819 tell us that God placed (threw down) mountains on the earth like tent pegs to keep the earth from shaking - after the earth was formed. For pre-scientific man this would sound logical, since mountains are large and therefore, their weight would have seemingly, a stabilizing effect on the earth. Yet we now know this logic to be quite inaccurate. Mountains were not formed and placed on the earth to render the earth's crust stable. In fact, the very existence of mountains is evidence of instability in the earth's crust, as they are found and pushed up by the colliding of tectonic plates (i.e. the migration of Arabia toward Iran has resulted in the Zagros range, France pushing against Italy produced the Alps, and the Indian plate nudging Tibet has given us the Himalayas)

And He has cast great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with you, and rivers and roads that you may go aright,

And We have made great mountains in the earth lest it might be convulsed with them, and We have made in it wide ways that they may follow a right direction.

He created the heavens without pillars as you see them, and put mountains upon the earth lest it might convulse with you, and He spread in it animals of every kind; and We sent down water from the cloud, then caused to grow therein (vegetation) of every noble kind.

Have We not made the earth an even expanse?
And the mountains as projections (thereon)? And the mountains, how they are firmly fixed,

What about....

I3vi Alexander the Great
In sura 1883-100 we find the story of Dhu al Qarnayn, who is known as the Greek conqueror, Alexander the Great. According to this sura, his power was given to him by Allah (aya 84), which some Muslims contend is an assertion that he had the same prominence as a prophet. But of even more importance to our discussion is the contention, according to this sura, that he was credited with building an enormous wall of iron and brass between two mountains, which was tall enough and wide enough to keep an entire army out (aya 96).

It is simple to test these claims because Alexander lived in the full light of history. Arrian, Quintus Curtius and other historians of repute have written the history of Alexander's exploits. From their writings we know that Aristotle was his tutor. Yet, these historians equivocally make him out as a heathen general whose debauchery and drunkenness contributed to his untimely death at the early age of 33. They show that he was an idolater, and actually claimed to be the son of the Egyptian god Amun. How, therefore, could he be considered to have the same prominence as a prophet, or even, as aya 84 clearly asserts, that Allah was the agent for his power?

Yet, what is even more troubling, there is no historical evidence anywhere that he built a wall of iron and brass between two mountains, a feat which, indeed, would have proven him to be one of the greatest builders or engineers in the history of mankind.

Heres an easy one for you to argue.....

Pharaoh's Cross
In sura 7124 we find Pharoah admonishing his sorcerers because they believe in the superiority of Moses's power over theirs. Pharoah threatens them with cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, and then says they will all die on the cross. But their were no crosses in those days. Crucifixion was first practised by the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians and then borrowed extensively by the Romans close to the time of Christ, 1700 years after Pharaoh!

I add that in the original version of this tale as was writ in the Old Testament the Pharaoh never threatened his Magicians it only claims he did in the Koran...

Oh come on you gotta give these Jinns and shooting stars ago just for my entertainment,

Jinns & Shooting stars
Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 376-10; 5533-35; 675; & 726-9.

How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?

What about the Grammatical Errors.....
Muslims believe that since the Qur'an is the Word of God, it is without error in all areas. We have already dealt with the questions concerning the style and literary qualities of the Qur'an earlier, and found it to be quite defective in those areas. Yet, even more troubling are the grammatical mistakes which exist within its text. Can we expect an omnipotent and omniscient God to allow such deficiencies to creep into his supposedly 'perfect' and eternal revelation? Consider the following

1.In sura 2177, the word Sabireen should be Sabiroon because of its position in the sentence (since it is a human plural, it should remain in the masculine plural form?).

2.In sura 7160, the phrase "We divided them into twelve tribes," is written in the feminine plural Uthnati Ashrat Asbaataan. Due to the fact that it refers to a number of people, it should be written in the masculine plural form Uthaiy Ashara Sibtaan, as all human plurals are automatically male in Arabic.

3.In sura 4162, the phrase "And (especially) those who establish regular prayer..." is written as al Muqiyhina al salaat, which again is in the feminine plural form, instead of the masculine plural al Muqiyhuna al salaat (?). It is important to note that the two following phrases, "(those who) practice regular charity, and (those who) believe in Allah..." are both correctly written in the masculine human plural form.

4.In sura 569, the title al Sabioon, referring to the Sabians, should be written al Sabieen.

5.In sura 6310, the phrase "I shall be" is written akun (which is in the 3rd person?). Yet since this word refers to the future (& is in the 1st person) it should be written akunu.

6.In sura 359, the words Kun feekunu should be written, Kun fakaana.
There are other grammatical errors which exist in the Qur'an as well, such as suras 2192; 1328; 2066 and the duals which replace the plurals in sura 55.

What about the Moses thing you overlooked that Egyption history says is not true....
The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 289). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 210 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses

What about the Sword thingy...
The Sword verses the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 95); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 475); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 929); or "Fight then... until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 839); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 93). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2256).

Dont forget that Jesus and Muhammad are both proclaiming they are that same Deuteronomy Prophet. I do note you are shirking that one....

What about...
Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2234), which is then changed to one year (2240).

What about these mistakes...
In sura 582, Pagans and Jews are considered the furthest from Muslims, while Christians are the nearest, yet in sura 551 & 57 Muslims are told not to have Christians as friends. Interestingly, in the same verse (51) it comments that Jews and Christians are friends, yet the only thing they have in common is their agreement on the authenticity of the Old Testament.

What about these errors...
In sura 17101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine). These plagues dont even match up with the Old Testament which is the original tale.

What about....
In sura 5157 we find that Jinn were created to worship Allah, yet in sura 7176 we find that the Jinn were created for Hell.

And what about errors in Paradise eh?
Lust is condemned in sura 7940-41, yet in sura 424-25 Allah permits polygamy, divorce, and the use of female slaves as concubines (one needs to ask why a man needs a concubine if not to satisfy his lust). Furthermore, for those who are faithful lust is the primary, and unlimited reward in heaven (suras 5546-78; 5611-39). Surely if lust is wrong on earth and hateful to a Holy God, it cannot be pleasing to him in paradise.

On that same note, wine is forbidden while on earth (sura 591), yet rivers of wine await the faithful in paradise (suras 4715; 765; 8325)

What about....
Muslims Jews, Christians, and Sabians are all considered saved in sura 262, yet in sura 385 only Muslims are considered saved.

Oh come on you gotta answer this matter of the Sun setting in a pool of water. Do you believe that is true....
In sura 1886 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a people We said O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring.

What about those Angels building bonfires to make clouds. rotfl I have mentioned those before. Your shirking away from these errors in the Koran. I already have a reply from a Muslimabout these Angels making cloud and Thunder. He believed it was true. I object to the Koran turning humans into idiots.

The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God?s angels?exactly like Gabriel!

In the Qur?an there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living being?although, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Qur?an and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,

"Ibn ?Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, ?It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."?

In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse
"The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."

Not only ibn ?Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue

"On the authority of Ibn ?Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, ?Tell us about the thunder. What is it?? He told them

?It is one of God?s angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them.? They said to him, ?What is this sound that we hear?? He said ?(It is) his voice (The angel?s voice)."?

The same incident?the question of the Jews and Muhammad?s answer are mentioned by most scholars. Refer, for instance, to al-Sahih al-Musnad Min Asbab Nuzul al-Ayat (stories related to the verses of Qur?an, p. 11) and al-Kash-shaf by the Imam al-Kamakhshari (part 2, pp. 518, 519). He reiterates the same story and the same words of Muhammad. Thus, the incident is in vogue among all Muslim scholars, and the story and the dialogue between Muhammad and the Jews is well-known.

We have mentioned what the Baydawi, Jalalan, Zamakhshari, Suyuti, and ibn ?Abbas have said. We do not know (among the ancient scholars) any who are more famous than these. Concerning lighting, Muhammad affirms that it is an angel like the thunder and like Gabriel and Michael. On page 230 of the above references, Suyuti alludes to it. Also on page 68 of part 4 of the "Itqan", the Suyuti records for us the names of the angels, which are "Gabriel, Michael, Harut, Marut, the Thunder and the Lightning (He said) that the lightning has four faces."

The Suyuti listed all these under the sub-title, "The names of God?s Angels". He also indicated that Muhammad said that the lightning is the tail end of an angel whose name is Rafael (refer to part 4, p. 230 of the Itqan).

rotfl Starjade already has noted that Islamic sound of Silence. I did try and explain to Horseonwheels that no Muslim on this Planet can defend the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations.

I am the only Lord King of the apocalyptic Castle and all who stand against me will bite the Dust. eat rotfl

[unknownuser]

Navid you said; Starjade, Thank you for displaying your skills in copying and pasting.

Starjade says; Look here things take time to write and as they are already writ then why should I not copy them from word and post them. Do you think I should spend hours re writing something already writ. That is just silly. I have too many conversations with other people to have my Time wasted on trivial things. Whats the matter are those errors and contradictions In the Koran too deep for you or too tough to respond to. Why do you avoid this matter about Jesus and Muhammad both proclaiming themselves to being that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up?

Why does 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus when Deuteronomy law proves Jesus and the New Testament Testimonies already to be a Fraud. Why would Muhammad then believe in Jesus only to say he is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up when that is the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself as being. And what you pretend you cannot see the contradiction.

How come you as a Muslim did not know that Muhammad proclaimed he was that Prophet that Moses said the Living God promised Moses he would raise up when Muslims all around the world are in conflict about this very proclamation bragging that Muhammad as a descendant of Abraham must be that prophet not Jesus. They argue over the matter of thy brethren being the meaning of it being Ishmaelites. Then going to lengths to speak of the descendancy of Muhammad. Do you think they do that for no reason or is it that you lack historical knowledge of the religion of Islam that you follow. Why would Muhammad claim he fulfilled also the Prophecies of Isaiah when Isaiah was speaking of the coming of that long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet. You are very nieve to the claims of your own religion and the activities of Muslims world wide.

(cough) Be wary now?. Do you make the statement on behalf of the followers of Islam that Muhammad is not that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. I demand an answer and what you say be sure will be displayed as an admission on many other forums. Many will be Islamic as well as Jewish and Christian forums. Do you make the statement on behalf of the followers of Islam that Muhammad is not that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.

Navid you said; That said, STILL waiting for internal contradictions in the quran. Please present two or more supposedly contradicting verses (all from the quran) and explain why you think they are contradicting. Thank you.

Starjade says; I have already staggered many errors and contradictions on every page in this thread. To pretend you do not see them is you being a Kuffar Shirker. Others can see them. I have even more staggering lists of errors existing in the Koran displayed on many other forums around the world. Do not pretend that they do not exist for they are displayed as proof of your shirking lies.

Now I admit that not all of those errors are significant and are petty. You would sought them out to respond to those whiles ignoring the more damaging errors found in the Koran and in the claims of Muhammad. This Jesus thing and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus are just one of those errors you have no explanation for just shirkers excuses. This does not show you in a good light. Those who follow my activities will notice your avoidance of the cold reality of the staggering amounts of errors found in the Koran and you will become known as being shirkers. Of course the much loved Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade grows in power by your very denial. With those immortal words of told you so as you clearly bite the Dust.

[unknownuser]

Samia you said; Hahahaha Now everytime I read "Starjade says" I'll

Starjade says; Be sure the laugh will be on you. Starjade has islam by the short and curlies. In a more public forum such as TV and Newspapers Islam as a whole will bite the Dust and your Islamic scholars know they are powerless against me and my God given revelations. Your false laughs do not hide the truth of reality they show you wimper noises like a dog that got run over and is trying to save face by licking its wounds. Do you really sit there so nieve to think that I would not realize my power over your religion. You have nothing to laugh at. Whereas I will be smiling all the way to the bank as I am the only one who is the King of this apocalyptic castle and all who come to face me are seen to shirk as they bite the Dust.

And he began to make the ark; and whenever the chiefs from among his people passed by him they laughed at him. He said If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).

[unknownuser]

Aaron you said; starjade actually leroy jenkins is famous in cyberspace... he even had a reference on jeopardy, so he is famous in real space too... iris? never saw her on jeopardy or youtube

Starjade says; Iris lives in America but she is well known in cyberspace as well. Unlike you Iris and myself visit mainly religious forums speaking with the congregations. I have never heard of Leroy Jenkins and so he is not as famous as you claim.

Aaron you said; and when i said your webpage is brutal i didn't mean that the content was harsh towards those it is speaking against...

Starjade says; Well it is blunt and to the point and all those who stood against me did bite the Dust. Many were Islamic and Christian Scholars. Because I am blunt and to the point those conversations may appear harsh but sometimes you have to appear cruel to be kind. I was saving them from themselves and the deceptions of man that has been brought before them. On the whole the web site is informative and it has had over 1 and a half million visitors since it went up. It is not my web site by the way. It belongs to the American Philosopher Liberty Girl who began collecting my writings years ago.

Aaron you said; i meant it is brutal in the fact that it looks like absolute garbage, half the content is unreadable due to your bad font choices, and puff the magic dragon smoking a pipe is really distracting. your layout blows.

Starjade says; I prefer to write in Times new Roman as the lettering is smaller and easier to read. I chose white fonts as it stands out better on the background pages. The brick wall scene is because I liked the idea of the words of the Prophet are written on the subway wall. I loved that Dragon Gif and the other characters. Had you read the pages the Dragons vanish from site so your comments are petty. It gives a bit of life to the forum. Others love it. It is what is written that counts and those facts crucify many religions that follow false Prophets and false Gods. It is the maps that are important and my intent as that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.

Have you ventured into my conversations with the Muslims yet and saw them bite the Dust. They had Islamic scholars, clever people with knowledge of many religions on those forums who loved debating religious matters with me. Some Shirked of course but most got chatting. Now they are real Muslims. They still bit the Dust and they were more experts on the religion of Islam more so than you would think that you are.

[unknownuser]

yay I am still waiting. rotfl

Perhaps you might want to go tap an Islamic scholar on the shoulder or one of your imams and see if hee hee he can help? eat rotfl

[unknownuser]

Starjade, are these contradictions in the Quran, Your Revelations or did you get them from somewhere else?

[iris89]

Hi Everyone

Starjade is right about ?Allah?. Let?s look at the facts with complete backup/sources.

Who Really Is 'Allah' The Supreme God Of The Makkans

INTRODUCTION AND HYPOTHESIS

The Old Testament specifically denies the Muslim claim that the pre-Islamic Ishmaelites knew and worshiped the true God (YHWH) of Abraham. The data conclusively shows that as the timeline of the centuries unfolded the Ishmaelites forsook the God of their ancestors Abraham and Jacob, Yahweh or Jehovah (YHWH), for the worship of some false god. The false god whom they worshiped as the true God was quite possibly Baal. The data also shows that Hubal was the high god worshiped at Mecca, which is supportted by the view that he was the Allah of pre-Islamic times. He Allah or Hubal was the high god of the Makkans ; although, they had many other gods and goddesses such as the daughter celestial goddesses of Allah who was the old middle eastern Moon god.

A great wall supposedly built by Dhul-Qarnayn literally meaning "He of the Two Horns", is a figure mentioned in the Qur'an, the sacred scripture of Islam, where he is described as a great and righteous ruler who built a long wall that keeps Gog and Magog from attacking the people of the West. Moreover, he is regarded by some Muslims as a prophet. The epithet was also familiar among the pre-Islamic Arabs , who applied it to at least three different kings. Now this may seem strange to mention in the introduction, but is important as it clearly shows that Muhammad adopted pagan myths into the Quran as well as using Bible accounts as its framework. Accounts to prove he adopted this pagan myth are sound at the Cave chapter of the Quran at Sura 1883-98 which will be dealt with shortly.

SURA 1883-98 AND THE DHUL-QARNAYN

And they ask you about Zulqarnain. Say I will recite to you an account of him.
Surely We established him in the land and granted him means of access to every thing.
So he followed a course.
Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
He said As to him who is injust, we will chastise him, then shall he be returned to his Lord, and He will chastise him with an exemplary chastisement And as for him who believes and does good, he shall have goodly reward, and We will speak to him an easy word of Our command.
Then he followed (another) course.
Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;
Even so! and We had a full knowledge of what he had.
Then he followed (another) course.
Until when he reached (a place) between the two mountains, he found on that side of them a people who could hardly understand a word.
They said O Zulqarnain! surely Gog and Magog make mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute on condition that you should raise a barrier between us and them
He said That in which my Lord has established me is better, therefore you only help me with workers, I will make a fortified barrier between you and them;
Bring me blocks of iron; until when he had filled up the space between the two mountain sides, he said Blow, until when he had made it (as) fire, he said Bring me molten brass which I may pour over it.
So they were not able to scale it nor could they make a hole in it.
He said This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it level with the ground, and the promise of my Lord is ever true.

Dhul-Qarnayn in the Qur'an.
Main article Alexander in the Qur'an (Theory)
The story of Dhul-Qarnayn as described in the Qur'an follows very closely some passages of the Alexander Romance, a thoroughly embellished compilation of Alexander the Great's exploits from Hellenistic and early Christian sources which underwent numerous expansions and revisions throughout Antiquity and the Middle Ages. The Alexander Romance was enormously popular in the Hellenistic world, including Jewish communities, among which Alexander had practically gained the status of a folk hero. Some adaptations containing all the elements of the Qur'anic account can be found in early Hellenistic documents, such as the Armenian recension of the Alexander Romance. Actually the main elements of the story (an iron gate constructed by Alexander blocking the passage of Scythian tribes; identification of said Scythians with Gog and Magog) can already be found in Josephus and in Saint Jerome, although in fragmented occurrences (see Alexander in the Qur'an for details).

For these reason the widely accepted view is that the (indirect) model for Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander the Great. The majority of medieval Muslim scholars were happy to identify Dhul-Qarnayn as Alexander. However, some Muslim scholars have asserted that the medieval scholars were mistaken and that Dhul-Qarnayn cannot be Alexander.

Cyrus the Great as Dhul Qarnain
Main article Cyrus the Great in the Qur'an (theory)
Some contemporary Muslim scholars, such as Maududi and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn is Cyrus the Great. This theory has been endorsed by Iranian scholars Allameh Tabatabaei .

The archaic Dhul-Qarnayn
Some early Islamic commentators stipulated that Dhul-Qarnayn must have been a contemporary of Abraham. Others postulated an Alexander who lived 2000 years before Alexander the Great.

The Arab Dhul-Qarnayn
Two early Arabian kings were known as Dhul-Qarnayn the northern Arabian king Al-Mundhir al-Akbar ibn Ma' as-Sama' (so called for his two curled locks), and the early South Arabian king Tubba' al-Aqran. South Arabian interpreters of the Qur'an argue that the Qur'anic Dhul-Qarnayn was their king Tubba'. Other supporters of the Yemeni Dhul-Qarnayn theory included (the Persian) Biruni in his Athar al-baqiyah, Asma'i in his Tarikh al-Arab ("History of Arab&quot, and Sirah of Ibn Hisham, among others.
Others have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn could be the Egyptian pharoah Narmer , who unified northern and southern Egypt. Among supporters of the Arab Dhul-Qarnayn theory were Mughrizi in his book al-Khutat, and Allama Sayyed Habeddin al-Shahrestani.

The angelic Dhul-Qarnayn
There are scattered references in which Ali ibn Abi Talib gives the epithet Dhul-Qarnayn. Since Dhul-Qarnayn was a righteous ruler, this may simply be a way of praising by Ali. Mughrizi also quotes Mukhtar ibn Abi Ubayd as saying that Ali always referred to Dhul-Qarnayn as "an angel without wings". The 8th century scholar Al-Jahiz, in his (???????), also writes of Dhul-Qarnayn being born to a human mother and angelic father.

Of course this is the same kind of story/legend as that where the Quran took the old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah,' and tried to blend him, a puppet celestial god of Satan, into the true God (YHWH) of Abraham; to wit, from epithets that were familiar among the pre-Islamic Arabs. Let's look at some facts from history and archaeology on this fact.

It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran.

The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born .

One Muslim I have corresponded with said the following
<<"You did not see what point I have written in my last post, allow me to explain in a better way. Dhul-Qarnayn may have a meaning but in the Quran it is given as he is a sort of a king or a leader. If you understood what I have said, I have said that the"wall" of Dhul-Qarnayn. We are not talking about names and where it's origin is from, we are talking about the Quran being the truth. If you do not see this then go get more information as we all say; we never stop learning.

ALLAH AS THE SUPREME GOD OF THE ANCINET PAGAN MAKKANS (RESIDENTS OF MECCA)

This section opens with a statement by a learned Muslim testifying to the fact that Allah was the supreme god of the ancient pagan Makkans (Residents of Mecca).

<<"The thing you said that about the Makkans knowing about Allah before Muhammed(S.A.W) is true. From prophet Ibrahim and Ismail to (S.A.W), Allah was was brought as the true God. The Makkans knew that Allah was a god, but they said that He was the supreme god from all the others, they would say that He was beyond the universe so they needed other small gods to transmit their prayers to Him. The Makkans were not angry at Allah but if you have searched the facts and so, they despised Muhammed(S.A.W), because they said that he was spreading the menace and dishonoring their gods. They did not say anything about Allah(S.T), for He was their supreme god and dishonoring it would bring badness over them. So we see that the other prophets before Muhammed(S.A.W) brought the information that Allah was the only true God but then, like every prophet, they listened then betrayed the prophets for their ignorance and changed it like they did to the bible, but the true religion will never fall(Islam). The prophet Muhammed(S.A.W) which had enemies but with the truth in his hands he succeeded on giving all the world the truth to save them from the hell fire, but still a lot of people do not except this as their arrogance is blinding them. You see now that the truth was given to the world, each one of the nations, but they disobeyed it and got punished for it as they didn't pass the test. Prophet Muhammed(S.A.W) brought them(Makkans) a book, he told them to worship only one god, he didn't tell them of how this god looked like and so on. This was a test for them to beleive in the truth as the shaitan will make it look as it is not the truth and everyone knew it that beleiving in something that is in the open, simple, and very understandable and not seeing of how their god looks like would be a challange but would also be rewarded greatly in the here after. Islam is the truth as they(Makkans/disbeleivers) knew that life is a test than you(an educated person) should know better.">>

So now we have established the fact that Allah was the supreme god of the ancient Makkans. Let's look at some of the facts related to the ancient pagan Makkans and their supreme pagan god Allah.

First the basic premise of this writer is false; to wit,
<<"We are not talking about names and where it's origin is from, we are talking about the Quran being the truth. If you do not see this then go get more information as we all say; we never stop learning.">>

Second his admittance that with respect the old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah,' actually being the supreme god of the none worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, the Makkans
<<"The thing you said that about the Makkans knowing about Allah before Muhammed(S.A.W) is true. From prophet Ibrahim and Ismail to (S.A.W), Allah was was brought as the true God. The Makkans knew that Allah was a god, but they said that He was the supreme god from all the others, they would say that He was beyond the universe so they needed other small gods to transmit their prayers to Him.">>

Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes

<<"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa">> .

The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, states, <<"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god&quot, and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity">> .

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, states, <<"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad">> .

And, <<"The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic.">> .

And, Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity.

Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I326, T & T Clark, states
<<"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their peculiar God.">>'
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According to the Encyclopedia of Religion

And, <<"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name . . . corresponding to the Babylonian Bel">> .

The Encyclopedia Britannica adds, <<"Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam">> .

The Encyclopedia of Islam is in agreement and say, <<"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah">> .

This same encyclopedia went on to say, <<"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic . . . Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities">> .

And pre-Islamic poetry attest to this fact, <<"Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry">> .

And Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the very prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works are generally published by Oxford University, comments

<<"The name Allah is also evident in archeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia">> .

And the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on 02/28/2006), states, <<" Theories on the identity of Dhul-Qarnayn
According to Tafsir Ibn Kathir, a widely used 14th-century commentary on the Qur'an
"The Quraysh sent An-Nadr bin Al-Harith and Uqbah bin Abi Muit to the Jewish rabbis in Al-Madinah, and told them Ask them (the rabbis) about Muhammad, and describe him to them, and tell them what he is saying. They are the people of the first Book, and they have more knowledge of the Prophets than we do.' So they set out and when they reached Al-Madinah, they asked the Jewish rabbis about the Messenger of Allah. They described him to them and told them some of what he had said. They said, You are the people of the Tawrah and we have come to you so that you can tell us about this companion of ours.' They (the rabbis) said, `Ask him about three things which we will tell you to ask, and if he answers them then he is a Prophet who has been sent (by Allah); if he does not, then he is saying things that are not true, in which case how you will deal with him will be up to you. Ask him about some young men in ancient times, what was their story For theirs is a strange and wondrous tale. Ask him about a man who travelled a great deal and reached the east and the west of the earth. What was his story And ask him about the Ruh (soul or spirit) -- what is it If he tells you about these things, then he is a Prophet, so follow him, but if he does not tell you, then he is a man who is making things up, so deal with him as you see fit.
According to Maududi's conservative 20th-century commentary
"This Surah was sent down in answer to the three questions which the mushriks of Makkah, in consultation with the people of the Book, had put to the Holy Prophet in order to test him. These were (1) Who were "the Sleepers of the Cave"? (2) What is the real story of Khidr? and (3) What do you know about Zul-Qarnain? As these three questions and the stories involved concerned the history of the Christians and the Jews, and were unknown in Hijaz, a choice of these was made to test whether the Holy Prophet possessed any source of the knowledge of the hidden and unseen things. Allah, however, not only gave a complete answer to their questions but also employed the three stories to the disadvantage of the opponents of Islam in the conflict that was going on at that time at Makkah between Islam and un-belief.">>

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