O you who believe
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peace,
I think it would be an interesting study to compile the "O you who believe / believers" verses and extract their information and see what comes up, if anything.
See http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/o-you-who-believe.htm
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Generally social advice, civil law, etc.
Why restrict the Quran to a tiny group of Arabs in the 6th century?
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Peace OPF
The Quran addresses many people specifically. For instance there are verses addressed to the prophet and there are verses addressed to his wives. That does not mean the Quran is about one man who lived in 6 AD in Arabia and his wives.
The Quran addresses the Children of Israel in a similar way that does not mean the Quran is limited to the tiny number of people Moses brought out of Egypt in 3000BC. What we can not neglect is specific individuals and groups are addressed in different circumstances.
The immediate believers of a Messenger are important. We can see this in the story of Noah, In relation to Moses and the Children of Israel and in relation to Jesus and his disciples and also maybe with Muhammad and the people who believed and aided him. When the Children of Israel were told to enter the gate sujjadaan the command was not for everyone else but for that particular group.
In 2187 as I pointed above do you think the verse is talking about some men and their wives who lived in 6 AD or its talking about the members here or any other believers who lived during last 1000 odd years. The set of verses start at 2183 and directly addresses a group O you who believe. About the part of the sentence it was prescribed to those before you (2183) its possible and logical this means fasting was prescribed to a similar group before you. i.e. It was prescribed for you and for those O you who believe before you.
A people a Messenger is sent to is quite different from others also the relationship of the people who believe and help a Messenger when he proclaims Allahs message maybe different from others and future generations. Certainly one difference about the people of a Messenger is they are mentioned in the Quran for different reasons under different circumstances as it is evident from many verses too numerous to mention.
These believers face the great fact that the messenger of God is living with them and that the revelation of God is being revealed in the midst of them and that God communicates to them directly through their messenger. We see God granting their requests and supplications and that miracles being performed in front of them and God setting them trials. A people after the Messenger are not in a position to ask the Messenger to show them a sign as the disciples of Jesus requested and possibly Children of Israel requested Moses.
It is not whether a tiny group or a large group. It is the group which believed and aided the Messenger. Who sacrificed their wealth and lives and fought in the cause of Allah. Also for their sacrifice and their faith God rewarded them here and promises reward in the hereafter. He favored them and made them inheritors and made them victors. The fact is all over the Quran these are addressed separately.
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Peace OPF
The Quran addresses many people specifically. For instance there are verses addressed to the prophet and there are verses addressed to his wives. That does not mean the Quran is about one man who lived in 6 AD in Arabia and his wives.
The Quran addresses the Children of Israel in a similar way that does not mean the Quran is limited to the tiny number of people Moses brought out of Egypt in 3000BC. What we can not neglect is specific individuals and groups are addressed in different circumstances.
The immediate believers of a Messenger are important. We can see this in the story of Noah, In relation to Moses and the Children of Israel and in relation to Jesus and his disciples and also maybe with Muhammad and the people who believed and aided him. When the Children of Israel were told to ?enter the gate sujjadaan? the command was not for everyone else but for that particular group.
In 2187 as I pointed above do you think the verse is talking about some men and their wives who lived in 6 AD or its talking about the members here or any other believers who lived during last 1000 odd years. The set of verses start at 2183 and directly addresses a group ?O you who believe?. About the part of the sentence ?it was prescribed to those before you? (2183) it?s possible and logical this means fasting was prescribed to a similar group before you. i.e. ?It was prescribed for you and for those ?O you who believe? before you.
A people a Messenger is sent to is quite different from others also the relationship of the people who believe and help a Messenger when he proclaims Allahs message maybe different from others and future generations. Certainly one difference about the people of a Messenger is they are mentioned in the Quran for different reasons under different circumstances as it is evident from many verses too numerous to mention.
These believers face the great fact that the messenger of God is living with them and that the revelation of God is being revealed in the midst of them and that God communicates to them directly through their messenger. We see God granting their requests and supplications and that miracles being performed in front of them and God setting them trials. A people after the Messenger are not in a position to ask the Messenger to show them a sign as the disciples of Jesus requested and possibly Children of Israel requested Moses.
It is not whether a tiny group or a large group. It is the group which believed and aided the Messenger. Who sacrificed their wealth and lives and fought in the cause of Allah. Also for their sacrifice and their faith God rewarded them here and promises reward in the hereafter. He favored them and made them inheritors and made them victors. The fact is all over the Quran these are addressed separately.
Those examples are made very clear - nobody can be a prophet now, so it could only mean that person. Does God ever change his word?
The immediate believers of a Messenger are important. We can see this in the story of Noah, In relation to Moses and the Children of Israel and in relation to Jesus and his disciples and also maybe with Muhammad and the people who believed and aided him. When the Children of Israel were told to ?enter the gate sujjadaan? the command was not for everyone else but for that particular group.
But in those instances, it provides a restricting clause, in the example of Israel, it ties the group addressed to Moses. Same with Jesus and his disciples, but the thing is, his disciples' speech as recorded in the Quran are universal words.
2187, fasting prescribed as it was done before - all this means is that God doesn't change his word and this fast is a continuous exercise and it has been prescribed to many people, and is not an innovation in islam. That verse doesn't separate the believers with respect to time, it unites them. Now, if it said "fast, this was not said to those before you", you would have a point, because that divides this universal group.
It is not whether a tiny group or a large group. It is the group which believed and aided the Messenger. Who sacrificed their wealth and lives and fought in the cause of Allah. Also for their sacrifice and their faith God rewarded them here and promises reward in the hereafter. He favored them and made them inheritors and made them victors. The fact is all over the Quran these are addressed separately.
Yes, but each time these are addressed, there is always a limiting clause - the mention of a living messenger, a story, or anything that ties it down to a specific place or such. Look right back to the start, 22, 23, and you see who is addressed as believers. For instance, look in JM's link and you will see that most are universal but some mention the messenger (not Muhammad) restricting it to that. Some mention the nabi, 3312 for instance, meaning that it is clear who is being addressed.
Now, what I find is that some laws in the Quran are only for believers, but some are clearly universal - read on from 41.
Salaam Samia
Do you mean believers of Muhammad for the last 1400 years or believers of Muhammad when he was living among them as the Messenger of God?
Aren?t we believers of Abraham, Moses and Jesus just as mush as we are believers of Muhammad?
We are believers in all of them and we have everything they had, as said in 2183 and 4143.
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Salaam warner
I think that this address is meant to those who believe the prophet/messenger Muhammad.
Salaam Samia
If someone believes in Muhammad the Messenger of Allah they certainly have to believe in Allah. Because the messenger is from Allah also the most important belief is that there is no god but Allah.
I think ?those who believe? means those who believe in Allah and His signs/ayat and reject anything else as God other than Allah. Maybe the example of Abraham when he believed in God and rejected the sun, moon and the stars can be appropriate here. When the Messenger comes with the Signs the persons who believe in the messenger, the signs and Allah are ?those who believe?. So for someone who is living 1400 years after the messenger when he comes across the Quran and if believes that it is a sign from Allah then he can be called a believer.
But this topic is mainly about ?Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo? and not ?allatheena amanoo?. The first one is a direct address like calling someone.
Is ?O you who believe? the correct translation of ?Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo?, one literal translation had ?You, you those who believed?. Does it make a difference if translated either way?
Will you accept that this direct address is to a group of people who lived when the Quran was revealed ?
Also why is this address always in plural suggesting for a group and not for individual?
Maybe there are verses which can clear some of the doubts I have. Currently I am going through the verses again and I have found some interesting verses. I will post when I have more details on this subject.
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Salaam warner, all
1- I do not understand your question why it is for a group. Why should it be for an individual?
2- I prefer O you who believe. The Arabic sentence starts with "yaa", not "antum". "Yaa" is a vocative article which is better translated into "O". Perhaps the translator wanted to give the impression of a modern language, or a language still in use Arabs still use "ya", even in the spoken language, whereas Modern English dropped this "O".
3- Those who believe in Muhammed of course believe in the One God, otherwise, what do the believe Muhammad for?
4- The mention of just "mu'minuun" and "mu'minaat" does not necessarily mean only those who believe in Muhammad.
5. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that follwers/believers in Muhammad are called mu'mins in the quran, but the reverse is not necessarily correct. -
