al-X al-Y does not mean "the X of Y"

[wildguest1956]

In some posts, we can find the following proposed translations

al-bayt al-haram = "the House/Establishment of the Restriction"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9837.msg111108#msg111108

al-masjid al-haram = "institution/implementation of hearing and obeying the forbidden"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854

However, in the grammar books, I read that adjectives are placed after the noun they qualify, and that if the noun has the article, the adjective must have it too.

Examples
al-baitu-s-saghiru = "the small house"
alqur-ana alAAatheema = "the great recitation" ()

I also read that, to express possession, the possessor is a definite noun without the article, and the possessed is a definite genitive noun with the article.

Examples
baitu-r-rajuli = "the house of the man"
ahlu al-kitabi = "the people of the book"

Therefore, in al-bayt al-haram and al-masjid al-haram, haram can only be an adjective of the name before, giving

Al-bayt al-haram = "the restricted/forbidden/sacred House/Establishment"

al-masjid al-haram = "the restricted/forbidden/sacred institution/implementation of hearing and obeying"

Looking forward for your comments

Peace

[ayman]

Peace JM,

In some posts, we can find the following proposed translations
However, in the grammar books, I read that adjectives are placed after the noun they qualify, and that if the noun has the article, the adjective must have it too.
Examples
al-baitu-s-saghiru = "the small house"
alqur-ana alAAatheema = "the great recitation" ()
I also read that, to express possession, the possessor is a definite noun without the article, and the possessed is a definite genitive noun with the article.
Examples
baitu-r-rajuli = "the house of the man"
ahlu al-kitabi = "the people of the book"
Therefore, in al-bayt al-haram and al-masjid al-haram, haram can only be an adjective of the name before, giving
Al-bayt al-haram = "the restricted/forbidden/sacred House/Establishment"
al-masjid al-haram = "the restricted/forbidden/sacred institution/implementation of hearing and obeying"
Looking forward for your comments

Yes, you are right. It should be translated as "the inviolable institution of hearing and obeying".

Peace,

Ayman