How do you pray?
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As far as dulook al shams, which is the decline of the sun. I don't think its when it STARTS declining but when it declines. Another words sunset. The ghasaq is the darkness. So its from the decline of the sun to the darkness, it sounds like maghrib to me. This is probably why the middle one was mentioned as a precaution since its very short, about 45 minutes, and people can easily neglect it and miss it.
Those who say then why was not maghrib mentioned, this is because maghrib is a point in time, when the sun declines and slowly vanishes. Its not a time scale but a point in time. This was then explained as a time scale by sunset to darkness, giving people time to pray or else people would have prayed while the sun was setting and then would not pray if the missed the sunset. This time scale ends when darkness falls. Ghasaq is extreme dark. Now it is Isha. Isha is easily known since its a time scale and so is fajr. Whoever maghrib is a point in time and thus a time scale was explained.
Thats how I see the verses.
Sunnis of course can claim that the verse about the two edges of daytime can mean from noon to sunset, meaning zuhr and beginning of maghrib where asr ends. But so far nahar seems to be daytime which includes morning.
Anybody knows what nahar mean? Is it daytime or noon time?
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hey, friends. i usually pray five times a day, bowing, prostrating. i recite al-Fatiha to open, and "Allah hu Akbar" while prostrating and rising, and usually add some of the names of Allah while sitting finally, and some du'a for those i know and don't know. i enjoy and am grateful for the ritual of salat, but don't think it needs to be done exactly this way or that way to be "valid".
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Peace to all,
I agree , as long as we do pray I dont think it really matters exactly how we do it, i do pray 5 times a day as you and I do bow down and prostrate, only because it says to in the Quran, but sometimes I cant and i will just say a prayer while im working or driving,
Kurt
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Peace to all,
I agree , as long as we do pray I dont think it really matters exactly how we do it, i do pray 5 times a day as you and I do bow down and prostrate, only because it says to in the Quran, but sometimes I cant and i will just say a prayer while im working or driving,
Kurt
ya, i've done this, too. i will sometimes pray as i walk down the street, on the way back from work. and i find that yes, "truly in remembrance of God do hearts find rest".
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Peace all,
What I have understood is only salatul fajr and salatul ishaa mentioned as that in Al-Quran but where has the name maghrib comes from and why not wusta as br Bigmo pointed out as some kind of explanation?
Maria
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Peace all,
What I have understood is only salatul fajr and salatul ishaa mentioned as that in Al-Quran but where has the name maghrib comes from and why not wusta as br Bigmo pointed out as some kind of explanation?
Maria
Because fajr and isha are time scales. However maghrib is an event in time. If the verse said maghrib people would assume its only DURING the sunset that they can pray and not after it. So the verse explained its from sunset to darkness and to be cautious about adhering to it since its short. Everybody knows isha is nightime till dawn and fajr is the begining of light till sunrise. Maghrib is not a time range but a point in time.
Just my 2 cents.
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Because fajr and isha are time scales. However maghrib is an event in time. If the verse said maghrib people would assume its only DURING the sunset that they can pray and not after it. So the verse explained its from sunset to darkness and to be cautious about adhering to it since its short. Everybody knows isha is nightime till dawn and fajr is the begining of light till sunrise. Maghrib is not a time range but a point in time.Just my 2 cents.
Who are the (everybody knows)? Those who wrote the classical Arabic dictionaries are definitely not part of them. According to them, isha starts from sunset.
Otherwise, what's the period from sunset until nightime called?
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Because fajr and isha are time scales. However maghrib is an event in time. If the verse said maghrib people would assume its only DURING the sunset that they can pray and not after it. So the verse explained its from sunset to darkness and to be cautious about adhering to it since its short. Everybody knows isha is nightime till dawn and fajr is the begining of light till sunrise. Maghrib is not a time range but a point in time.
Just my 2 cents.
salam
what you say makes sense, but is not the period from first light to sunrise about as short as the time between the start of sunset and night?
salam
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Who are the (everybody knows)? Those who wrote the classical Arabic dictionaries are definitely not part of them. According to them, isha starts from sunset.
Otherwise, what's the period from sunset until nightime called?
I thought you might answer that.
Maybe its called Wusta rotfl
If what you are saying, that isha starts from sunset , is correct than you are right that dullok of the sun till ghasaq of the night means isha. However the verses says from dulook of the sun TILL the darkness of the night. You in fact says it means the approaches of the night. Thats maghrib as we know it. Its exactly from sunset till the sky gets dark. Isn't it?
Ignoramus
As far as fajr, well fajr is a time stage. However I don't know if there is an Arabic word to mean from sunset till dark. So maybe thats why the Koran did not name it maghrib, since maghrib simply means sunset and nothing more. And named it the middle prayer, the wusta, since it is the middle one between the 3.
Also the Koran say the nahar's two edges. Not the two edges of the nahar. But the nahar's two edges. That means its the edges of the whole nahar, which is before and after it and not the edges within the nahar. As it does not use the word "fi" meaning in or on the nahar. These two time are definitely fajr and maghrib. Then it explains maghrib is from sunset till dark. The koran never explained when is salat al fajr because its known to everybody when is fajr. Just like we all know when is night, Isha. Its maghrib that needed explaining.
Also fajr is maybe as short as maghrib but it is not just a point in time like when the lightness appears before the sun, but its a whole time scale from the lightness till the sunrise. Maghrib simply means. Dullok of the shams to darkness is a very good explanation of when it is to be prayed. But Samia is saying isha starts from sunset.
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I thought you might answer that.
Maybe its called Wusta rotfl
If what you are saying, that isha starts from sunset , is correct than you are right that dullok of the sun till ghasaq of the night means isha. However the verses says from dulook of the sun TILL the darkness of the night. You in fact says it means the approaches of the night. Thats maghrib as we know it. Its exactly from sunset till the sky gets dark. Isn't it?
Salaam Bigmo
Ishaa starts from sunset. Scholars differ as when it ends, but that's not important for what we are disacussing. Since ishaa starts from sunset "maghrib", and continues till ghasaq of the night, all this period has one salaat after its name salaatul ishaa. Any other claimed salaat has to be before sunset or after ghasaqil lail and before dawn. Such salaat does not exist according to the many verses posted here.
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Salaam Bigmo
Ishaa starts from sunset. Scholars differ as when it ends, but that's not important for what we are disacussing. Since ishaa starts from sunset "maghrib", and continues till ghasaq of the night, all this period has one salaat after its name salaatul ishaa. Any other claimed salaat has to be before sunset or after ghasaqil lail and before dawn. Such salaat does not exist according to the many verses posted here.
Which scholars said that? Arabic scholars? I got this from a website
Maghrib time Is the time of sunset, which is when the sun completely below the horizon.
Isha time The Jafari define the time of Isha as the time following Maghrib prayer. All other schools define it as when the radish after glow on the western horizon vanishes.
As there is disagreement between the schools of religious law (Fiqh) about the definition of prayer times, there is also disagreement within the same school of law. One such example is Maghrib time. Some people believe Maghrib time is the time when eastern twilight vanishes while others declare it as the time of sunset. Any prayer time calculating program can not satisfy all the ideas and interpretations. Therefore, the definition satisfying the majority of Muslims is chosen. In addition, options are provided to the users to adjust the program to achieve desired result. In the case of Maghrib time, an option is provided to add minutes to the calculated Maghrib time.http//www.yanabi.com/activeweb.cfm?a_id=1033
Others defined Isha as dusk till dawn and maghrib as sunset till dusk.
Dusk is defined as
darker stage of twilight, especially in the evening.
adj.
Tending to darkness; dusky.
intr. & tr.v. dusked, dusk?ing, dusks
To become or make dark or dusky.dusk - the time of day immediately following sunset; "he loved the twilight"; "they finished before the fall of night"
Tending to darkness or blackness; moderately dark or black; dusky.
Imperfect obscurity; a middle degree between light and darkness; twilight; as, the dusk of the evening.
A darkish color.
Also
Dusk -- Same as Civil Dusk; the time at which the sun is 6 degrees below the horizon in the evening. At this time objects are distinguishable but there is no longer enough light to perform any outdoor activities
Also
Evening is the period in which the daylight is decreasing, between the late afternoon and night, around the time when dinner is taken. Though the term is subjective, evening is typically understood to begin just before twilight, sunset, during the close of the standard business day, 4 pm ? and extend until night ? typically astronomical sunset, 9 pm.
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formal definition is used for religious purposes. For instance, the Israelite priesthood of the Old Testament in the Bible, was required to perform certain duties "at even(ing)". However, this definition is controversial. There are two prevailing views
The last quarter of the daylight portion of the day, before sunset. This view was held by the Jewish Pharisees and is supported in historical references such as Josephus and the Bible.
The twilight before dark, after sunset. This view was held by the Samaritans and the Karaites.
The Bible uses a term for the period of time between two distinct evenings "beyn ha arbayim" translated as "between the two evenings". Though both of the above camps define one of the evenings as sunset, the other is controversial. From the passages in Matthew 2746, 57 and Mark 1534, 42, the New Testament clearly supports the first evening to be the ninth 'hour' of the day (an hour in the Bible defined as 1/12th of the daylight portion of the day), and the second evening, that ends the day, at sunset.
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Evening the period following sunset with which the Jewish day began (Gen. 15; Mark 1335). The Hebrews reckoned two evenings of each day, as appears from Ex. 1612 308; 126 (marg.); Lev. 235 (marg. R.V., "between the two evenings". The "first evening" was that period when the sun was verging towards setting, and the "second evening" the moment of actual sunset. The word "evenings" in Jer. 56 should be "deserts" (marg. R.V.).
Definition Nighttime
The time between sunset and sunrise.
adj.
Occurring in or appropriate for use during the nightnight?time? (tm′
nounthe time between dusk and dawn; also, the time between sunset and sunrise
So so far Samia you are doing good. Your definition seems stronger than mine. But then we are left with "wusta" &
You know some Arabic scholars who can define Isha?
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Salaam Bigmo
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg149862#msg149862
Scan the word (wasat) in the quraan and you will find that the only meaning used is "balanced". I also feel that it cannot mean "middle prayer" if Gof did not mention a name for it. If it is so importatnt, why was it not mentioned in verse 2458; whereas the other two prayers were mentioned by name (fajr and isha)?
Scholars do not agree on wusta, even as middle prayer, and balanced parayer is also an option according to them (see link provided).
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Thanks.
It is a noun ;D
2.238. Guard strictly your prayers, especially the Wusta Prayer; and stand before God in a devout (frame of mind).
However salawaat is plural. Meaning more than two. It did not say salatayn, meaning the 2 salaat.
So how do you explain this?
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2.238. Guard strictly your prayers, especially the Wusta Prayer; and stand before God in a devout (frame of mind).
However salawaat is plural. Meaning more than two. It did not say salatayn, meaning the 2 salaat.
So how do you explain this?
Taking into consideration the day of the congregational salaat, where we have three salaats, it cannot mean your daily salaat.
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Taking into consideration the day of the congregational salaat, where we have three salaats, it cannot mean your daily salaat.
So you do believe that wusta means friday prayers? Or you just believe that the plural is about the congregation prayers?
Whats your view, if I may ask, about congregation prayers?