regarding kabah
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Peace Allen,
The real house of the god has no idols in it according to 2226. Thus, if you have faith in 2226 then the black stone cube that you falsely call "Baitullah" cannot be the real house of the god. On the other hand, your logic is the same as thinking that by calling a duck "dog", it will become a dog. Is this clear enough for you to be able to read it?
Peace,
Ayman
So you admit that that there is no Quranic Proof that Baituallah had Idols ??
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salam
just because the mosque in mecca contains things which may have been previously idolised and worshipped, does not mean that anyone who prays in the direction of mecca is worshipping those idols. maybe some do, but most people who kiss the black pagan stone during their pilgramage do not worship it; neither do most of them worship the kaba. to an observer, it may seem that they are worshipping idols, but (at least some of them) are not worshipping any idol, but perform these rituals because they believe God has commanded them to , or will be please by them doing so.
i saw a man clutch his long lost girlfriend's dress and kiss it, but he does not love his girlfriend's dress. i saw a catholic woman kneel before a painting of 'the virgin mary' and pray. maybe she worships 'the virgin mary' but she certainly does not worship the painting.
also, 2226 does not say that the temple to which it refers does not contain idols. it does say that abraham cleansed it of idols, but does not say it would never again contain idols.
i personally do not believe mecca has anything to do with the qibla, but i think it is unfair to say that everyone praying towards it are idol-worshippers.
salam
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salam
i saw a man clutch his long lost girlfriend's dress and kiss it, but he does not love his girlfriend's dress. i saw a catholic woman kneel before a painting of 'the virgin mary' and pray. maybe she worships 'the virgin mary' but she certainly does not worship the painting.
Salaam ignoramus
According to the above what is the relation between God and the balck stone? Do you mean it reminds them of God or it is a representation of Him?
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Salaam ignoramus
According to the above what is the relation between God and the balck stone? Do you mean it reminds them of God or it is a representation of Him?
They are told that its the foundation stone that Abraham used, so they kiss it as a sign of respect. It reminds them I think of Abraham. I am not sure how they know its the same stone.
2.124-129 And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled He said "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded "And also from my offspring!" He answered "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). And remember Abraham said "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in God and the Last Day." He said "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!", And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer) "Our Lord! Accept from us For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing. "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of rites; and turn unto us ; for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(124) (125) (126) (127) (12 (129)
Also
22.25-29. 25. As to those who have rejected God, and would keep back (men) from the Way of God, and from the Sacred Mosque, which We have made to men - equal is the dweller there and the visitor from the country - and any whose purpose therein is profanity or wrong-doing - them will We cause to taste of a most Grievous Penalty, Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the House, (saying) "Associate not anything with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves, "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men they will come to thee on foot and on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; "That they may witness the benefits for them, and celebrate the name of God, through the Days appointed, over the cattle which He has provided for them then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want., "Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and circumambulate the Ancient House."
(25) (26) (27) (2
What is the House here talking about? Is it in Mecca? Or is it something else?
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Raj-ah
I know reminding you of this
Quote from Samia on October 05, 2007, 044858 AM
when you discarded even reasoning for some nonesense uttered by an anonymous scholar, as your believing that Mecca is Faarraan , or that the meaning of "masjidan Diraaran in " means "a mosque called Zirar, or "a guy called Zirar built a mosque" because some "Muslim scholar" said so.Do you really need such explanation?
is quite embarrassing, but that's not an excuse to forfeit good manners and revert to name calling.
I can understand Samia you are having a hard time, and all those who support Falsehood have hard time, that is natrual.
First none of your post up till now was of that standard, that while answering it some one can feel difficulty embarrass.
Secondly What do you mean be Good manners? where did you felt that in my post?
Thirdly reagrding SAM, my sister-in-law who also happens to be my second cousin and she is a Doctor (MD) by profession, her name is SAMIA and I often call her Dr. SAM, so if this is the reason you are getting annoyed, then brickwall -
I can understand Samia you are having a hard time, and all those who support Falsehood have hard time, that is natrual.
First none of your post up till now was of that standard, that while answering it some one can feel difficulty embarrass.
Secondly What do you mean be Good manners? where did you felt that in my post?
Thirdly reagrding SAM, my sister-in-law who also happens to be my second cousin and she is a Doctor (MD) by profession, her name is SAMIA and I often call her Dr. SAM, so if this is the reason you are getting annoyed, then brickwallI'll take this as an apology
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Allen
Dear Ayman
Still waiting for your reply about "Concrete Proof from the Holy Quran for existing of idols in the Baitullah "
RegardsAnd may be you will have to wait for very long. I am still waiting for telling me from Quran that Allah ordered to change the location of his House?
Ayman with his egoistic behavior will keep on saying what he thinks is right without pondering for a moment at others arguments.
Allen to Ayman
So you admit that that there is no Quranic Proof that Baituallah had Idols ??
What else?
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Ignoramus
salam
just because the mosque in mecca contains things which may have been previously idolised and worshipped, does not mean that anyone who prays in the direction of mecca is worshipping those idols.
Exactly.
Bigmo from Quran
Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and circumambulate the Ancient House."
Do you read the word "Ancient" dear Samia?
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I can understand Samia you are having a hard time, and all those who support Falsehood have hard time, that is natrual.
First none of your post up till now was of that standard, that while answering it some one can feel difficulty embarrass.
Secondly What do you mean be Good manners? where did you felt that in my post?
Thirdly reagrding SAM, my sister-in-law who also happens to be my second cousin and she is a Doctor (MD) by profession, her name is SAMIA and I often call her Dr. SAM, so if this is the reason you are getting annoyed, then brickwallWe are all here to learn. The Koran is very challenging. At least we are all trying, and she is trying. Why this accusations?
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We are all here to learn. The Koran is very challenging. At least we are all trying, and she is trying. Why this accusations?
salam
i second that.
brother Rajah, i think some of your posts rude. you do have some valid points, but they would you much easier to see if you refrained from unnecessary offensive rhetoric.
salam
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Allen
And may be you will have to wait for very long. I am still waiting for telling me from Quran that Allah ordered to change the location of his House?
Ayman with his egoistic behavior will keep on saying what he thinks is right without pondering for a moment at others arguments.
Allen to Ayman
What else?Dear Raja
You are right.He always circumvent the real question and goes on talking about irrelavent things and thinks that it is the answer.I had this experience while discussing "Ramadaan".He put some "Rumdan/Ramdan" theory and said that word Ramadaan was revealed as "Ramdan/Rumdan" but failed to provide proof and went on circumventing.Now he says he provided the proof.
Now he is again persistantly evading the question and will say that he provided the proof.
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Peace all,
Who assigned the first "qibla", when, and what direction was it?
Jews always try to face Jerusalem and will never turn?
The Incredible Jerusalem Compass
http//www.jewishsoftware.com/products/The_Incredible_Jerusalem_Compass_813.asp?bhcd2=1133071212"Most Diaspora Jews face the traditional Mizrah (East) when they pray,...Christian Zionists who love Israel also have the habit of praying towards Jerusalem - or towards where they think Jerusalem is."
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2198 There is no sin on you if you seek the Bounty of your Lord. Then when you leave 'Araf?t, remember All?h at the Mash'ar-il-Har?m. And remember Him as He has guided you, and verily, you were, before, of those who were astray.
Where/what is Mash'ar-il-Har?m?
Anyone ? is the above a state-of-mind or physical place?
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I don't know about that but presumably God used verses 107-109 of surah 9 as space filler?
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Salaam Nun
Thanks for your reply. Do you mean that God assigned Jeurasalem a "qibla" to the Jews?
As for " mash3ar",, if you do a search for the root sheen 3ain raa, there are two original meanings hair and knowledge/comprehension; milestone.
could be the noun of place of the , plural of cow or she camel fattened for slaughter and given for free
(from al-Qaamuuaul Muheet)
or it could be a noun (masdar meemi), in this case it will be knowledge
Of course I found meanings as ( activities of hajj or places such as Muzdalifa...), but no linguistic support for that. The dictionary even explains that a place would be called "mash3ar" if it has a lot of trees and wild animals in it(From Lisaanul 3arab)
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