regarding kabah
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We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.
Raj-ah
Why was the prophet turning his face about the sky if he already had a "qibla" which was towards Jerusalem? The expression (turning your face about the sky) describes some one who is confused, not one who got his "God-assigned qibla".
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Raj-ah
Why was the prophet turning his face about the sky if he already had a "qibla" which was towards Jerusalem? The expression (turning your face about the sky) describes some one who is confused, not one who got his "God-assigned qibla".
Turning the face to sky means 'confusion' ?? Are you sure ??
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But why he was turning his face to sky was he not aware that God is every where????
salam
i am not saying that the Quran is talking about confusion, however looking up at the sky is a natural reaction to confusion, not to physically see God. i remember many points in my life, even as an infant, looking at the stars pondering about God and the nature of existence and reality.
i think the point is being unnecessarily laboured.
salam
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salam
i am not saying that the Quran is talking about confusion, however looking up at the sky is a natural reaction to confusion, not to physically see God. i remember many points in my life, even as an infant, looking at the stars pondering about God and the nature of existence and reality.
i think the point is being unnecessarily laboured.
salam
Surprised at your understanding
Actual verse =(2144) We have seen you turning your face over and over again towards Heaven. Now, therefore, We turn you towards the qiblah that you like.
Just an example
If I say to ignoramus
Well friend ! I know you have been visiting my house again and again.Do not worry I will lend you books so that you can prepare for your exam properly.
Does it mean ignoramus visited my house again and again because of "Confusion".Try to locate the reason for visiting ,from this sentence. -
Surprised at your understanding
Actual verse =(2144) We have seen you turning your face over and over again towards Heaven. Now, therefore, We turn you towards the qiblah that you like.
Just an example
If I say to ignoramus
Well friend ! I know you have been visiting my house again and again.Do not worry I will lend you books so that you can prepare for your exam properly.
Does it mean ignoramus visited my house again and again because of "Confusion".Try to locate the reason for visiting ,from this sentence.salam dear brother Allen
it would be much better for all of us if you explained the points you are trying to make rather than cross-examining us. can you please explain what your point is.
thank you.
salam
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salam dear brother Allen
it would be much better for all of us if you explained the points you are trying to make rather than cross-examining us. can you please explain what your point is.
thank you.
salam
This is pretty obvious from the example I have given.If you could not understand even then what can I say?
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salam
so far you have said very little, other than ask questions.
you could explain your understanding, or raise pertinent objections.
salam
This is not a question of my understanding.Quranic sentence is crystal clear to explain its meaning.Look at the Verse again and again ,no ambiguity at all .
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Raj-ah
Why was the prophet turning his face about the sky if he already had a "qibla" which was towards Jerusalem? The expression (turning your face about the sky) describes some one who is confused, not one who got his "God-assigned qibla".
Maybe the Arabs knew where Mecca was easier than where Jerusalem was. But anyways where do you know what the first Qibla was if Jerusalem is never mentioned?
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Maybe the Arabs knew where Mecca was easier than where Jerusalem was. But anyways where do you know what the first Qibla was if Jerusalem is never mentioned?
Whether it first qibla was in Jerusaleum or somewhere else ,it does not matter.Let us suppose it was any qibla "X" .Whatsoever it was it was ordered by Allah according to this verse.
2143
This verse clearly shows He was having 'some qibla by the order of Almight Allah' before it was changed. -
This is not a question of my understanding.Quranic sentence is crystal clear to explain its meaning.Look at the Verse again and again ,no ambiguity at all .
salam brother Allen
what i am asking is that you share your understanding. if you think something is crystal clear, please explain it.
i do not object to anyone's point of view, but i think the debate degrades when it becomes personal; we are all here to learn, and nothing is achieved by interrogation or by attempting to prove any participant's lack of knowledge or intelligence.
please think about your style of argument. i encountered the exact same kind of debate on sunni fora, where it would take someone over 10 pages of questioning just to make one point, which could have been made plain by simply putting forward a constructive argument.
thank you.
salam
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Whether it first qibla was in Jerusaleum or somewhere else ,it does not matter.Let us suppose it was any qibla "X" .Whatsoever it was it was ordered by Allah according to this verse.
2143
This verse clearly shows He was having 'some qibla by the order of Almight Allah' before it was changed.salam
i agree the verse clearly indicates a previous qibla, but is it clear that whether that previous qibla was ordained by God?
salam
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salam
i agree the verse clearly indicates a previous qibla, but is it clear that whether that previous qibla was ordained by God?
salam
2143
002.143
YUSUFALI Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah's purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind.
SHAKIR And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people. -
Allen
Can't you stop re-posting the same verse, and write you own ideas, just for a change? We can read it. If we do not find the answer within it in the first time, we won't find it the second time either.
2143
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YUSUFALI Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah's purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind.
SHAKIR And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Whether it first qibla was in Jerusaleum or somewhere else ,it does not matter.Let us suppose it was any qibla "X" .Whatsoever it was it was ordered by Allah according to this verse.
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This verse clearly shows He was having 'some qibla by the order of Almight Allah' before it was changed. -
Allen
Can't you stop re-posting the same verse, and write you own ideas, just for a change? We can read it. If we do not find the answer within it in the first time, we won't find it the second time either.
Just to show to ignoramus that God's command for first qibla is in the same Verse.
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Samia to Allen
Can't you stop re-posting the same verse, and write you own ideas, just for a change? We can read it. If we do not find the answer within it in the first time, we won't find it the second time either.
Quite fairly said, If one doesnot want to see NO body can let him/her see, even the WORD OF GOD.