Why do Muslims call other Muslims kaffir?
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In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satan.
Before I came across this forum, I was registered at another forum called why islam. And there was a good question posed about the hadith. So I read the posts the other people had posted and then I came across a post that sounded quite odd. Someone posted "Without Hadith no one can understand the Quran and thats a challenge. Dare to disprove me?" And so I thought ok. So I found a good article on free-minds.org site about hadith and posted the verses that stated that the Quran is correct, explained in detail, and makes things clear. Here is the post I posted with a couple of questions that I posed to the person who stated that without hadith no one can understand the Qur'an.
Sura 6114-116
114 "Shall I seek a judge other than All?h while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'?n), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.
115 And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All?Hearer, the All?Knower.
116 And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from All?h's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.
Sura 1689
89 And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad SAW) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All?h as Muslims).
Sura 442
2 By the manifest Book (this Qur'?n) that makes things clear,
To me, from reading those verses in the Qur'an especially the one Sura 6114 which states "Shall I seek a judge other than All?h while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'?n), explained in detail."
Now, if the Qur'an is not explained in detail then why would there be a verse in the Qur'an indicating it? In the Qur'an it also states the times for prayer (Sura 2458, Sura 11114, Sura 177. If these are the prayer times in the Qur'an then why would Hadith be needed to explain details if the Qur'an, as Allah has stated, is explained in detail?
Also in regards to Wudu here in the Qur'an it states this -
Sura 56
6 O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Sal?t (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Jan?ba (i.e. had a sexual discharge), purify yourself (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e. sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. All?h does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favour on you that you may be thankful.
This is why I follow the Qur'an only. For Allah has said it is explained in detail (Sura 6114) and if it is explained in detail why would there be need for additional books to explain the Qur'an?
May Allah guide all who seek for knowledge and may Allah guide them to the straight path. Ameen.
This is my prayer for everyone. And if I am wrong in my thinking about following Qur'an alone, Allah swt will make it known to me.
Assalam Alaikum everyone,
Eric
And later on I went back to check to see if anyone had posted anything and I came across this last post - "I'm closing this thread, we don't allow Khalifites to pose as Muslims here." I was like whatever
Why are people so blinded and quick to judge other muslims who are just seeking to know Allah and the Qur'an without any additions?
Anyway, everyone have a great day and may Allah swt bless us all as we walk the straight path as Allah swt has shown to us in the Qur'an. Ameen
Assalamu Alaikum
Eric
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Salaam Eric
I think you should bring it up with their moderators. Ask if you have broken any rules, and ask who "khalifites" are, why they are not accepted, and how to avoid being part of them (this question is for me ;D...I do not know what khlifite is).
Is it this forum here?
http//www.whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1415
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Just posts the Koranic verses pertaining to any subject so they know what the Koran has to say about it. Most of these moderators are extremist. But you want to educate the silent majority, the ones who read posts but do not always post themselves. Many people read posts and read the debates but do not participate because they have no information. Thats why they are in forums, to get infomation.
One thing is when you post Koran and they supply a hadith that contradicts it, let them and others see that. And just keep posting Koranic verses about various topics. It also improves your Koranic knowledge and exposes the discrepancies between Koran and traditional Islam. Thats what I learned. It put them in the defensive and not placing yourself in the defensive by having to explain why you reject hadiths. Let them answer why they reject the Koran or are not following it. This can be done in a subtle way by posting Koranic verses. Or let the others ask that question. People do not like it when they perceive you as trying to push people to a certain dogma.
You don't want to walk in a smash people's religious understanding in a single post.
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Good advice Bigmo.
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As far as posting of quranic verses is concerned ,recently I got a reply on this forum ;
Allen
Can't you stop re-posting the same verse, and write you own ideas, just for a change? We can read it. If we do not find the answer within it in the first time, we won't find it the second time either
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Now you understand why my friend at tombstone.hi5.com uses such violent language. Traditionalists are hypocrites, they'll be in the lowest pit.
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Now you understand why my friend at tombstone.hi5.com uses such violent language. Traditionalists are hypocrites, they'll be in the lowest pit.
Tarikh
You have been fooled by Allen. This was me, and he just took it out of context and quoted it without my name on it. It is here on this forum, from a quraanist to a non-quraanist. If you want to know the context, here is the link
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15453.msg150919#msg150919
Still, your friend has no justification to use a violent language.
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it is so strange to me that a Muslim would lock out a thread of another Muslim who is guilty of nothing more than quoting the Quran!
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so strange... would they rather focus on the hadith and their own pride, or on Allah and the Quran? and the funny thing is, the Quran warns about exactly this kind of pride and division.
well... there is no god but God, and He is the best of judges. peace
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Peace, the term khalifite was invented by anti quran alone people to describe those who follow rk. Since the submitters were the most known quran aloners, the term has been generalized for ALL quranaloners. Did u guys check out 19.org there's an article on khalifites
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Peace, the term khalifite was invented by anti quran alone people to describe those who follow rk. Since the submitters were the most known quran aloners, the term has been generalized for ALL quranaloners. Did u guys check out 19.org there's an article on khalifites
So Mohammedans made the term "Khalifite" to describe others? rotfl