What did Abraham do first? Break an idle or break an idol?
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Peace Wakas,
Yes, I find it correct that Abraham break the idle and He became active in his life by turn to God(Allah,Higher force,Universe) for his needs.
In fact that is the answers to our call, to ask The Higher Force of aid, what you ask for you get.
Therefore it's important to upheld a good communication with your fellow brothers and sisters your neighbours and the world.
Quran is a guideline to righteous behaviours and what happens to you if you go against good behaviours. It will only fall back on you so to uphold a good cause it's the advice The higher spirit revealed to us.We should indeed be thankful that we have this guideline or else many more people would be lost and have no clues at all how to adhere to the good things in life. We are responsible for our thoughts because it's with our thoughts that we create the surroundings that make our life here on earth.
Yeah, I know that I have been very much addicted to the theory of " The Law Of Attraction" but I really have found so many "Aha" revelations when I read that book "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne.
I wished all read that book, it's very great and uplifting for our souls/minds.
Peace
Maria -
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What did Abraham do first? Break his own habit/pattern of idling (idling to spend time doing nothing or being idle) or beak an idol (as in the story in The Quran)?
Clearly, he had to stop idling (i.e. break an idle) to break an idol (promote change).
Becoming active comes first (i.e. changing yourself) ---> then change comes after (i.e. a change in conditions round about you)
similar to the wisdom "be the change you want to see in the world", e.g. see 1311.
That was the message I was trying to promote/convey/encourage/suggest.
Just curious- where is Abraham idling?
But here are some good tips for you- if you idle;
http//www.counselling.cam.ac.uk/procras.html
Salaams.
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Peace Mz,
Thanks for the link.
I'm not sure where Abraham idles but he suddenly search for guidence by viewing the sun and moon and stars etc.
Maria
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Yes, that's what I thought you meant but good to have it clarified. On a more mundane level, it might be equated to say for example, maybe exercising or exerting oneself personally or for a greater cause. You know you have to since you've been sitting on it/avoiding/ignoring it...but to actually get up and do it thats a whole different story.
I guess that (idleness) happens because people follow their emotions (idols). We mostly do things based on pleasure and pain. In the case of procrastination, not doing something painful is pleasurable until the pain of not doing it becomes greater than the pain of actually doing it. That's why we must control our emotions and not let our emotions control us. In other words, we must be at peace at all times, our reasoning unclouded by emotions.
And we can actually program our behavior by manipulating our likes and dislikes. We might convince ourselves that exercise is pleasurable, and that sitting around doing nothing is painful. Or that going out and helping people is better than not doing it.
The Quran says god doesn't change our state unless we change what's inside ourselves. -
I guess that (idleness) happens because people follow their emotions (idols). We mostly do things based on pleasure and pain. In the case of procrastination, not doing something painful is pleasurable until the pain of not doing it becomes greater than the pain of actually doing it. That's why we must control our emotions and not let our emotions control us. In other words, we must be at peace at all times, our reasoning unclouded by emotions.
And we can actually program our behavior by manipulating our likes and dislikes. We might convince ourselves that exercise is pleasurable, and that sitting around doing nothing is painful. Or that going out and helping people is better than not doing it.
The Quran says god doesn't change our state unless we change what's inside ourselves.I quite agree in a general sense. It's interesting to break down individual reactions and see the causes/progression. Helps in analysing and whenever we do that, emotions tend to take a back seat when the brain/mind gets involved. It's more of a complete picture kinda thing with individual stages and imo balance is achieved when the scales stop swinging but swing they must for the process to complete in a way.
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Peace Mz,
Thanks for the link.
I'm not sure where Abraham idles but he suddenly search for guidence by viewing the sun and moon and stars etc.
Maria
Well maria that isn?t what he looked at ? I think.
What on earth can one learn by looking at the stars or sun and the moon, or is there some scripture written on them?
He actually learnt from experience.
676 Kawkabun? Check lanes. Remember some people take it that their children will provide them for the future.
Shamas= avericousness and qamar= deception.
Abraham when overwhelmed by bad times, like when pharaoh orders them to slaughter their children, his son and other humans weren?t his rabb at all, neither the actions of deception nor avariciousness.
But Gods bond or their relationship
Rahman = Love and Mercy without regard to effort.
Rahim = continuous dispensing of rewards to the deserving.Plus the other attributes/ descriptions/ qualities.
Was the only rabb-eternal sustainer, it is apart from Gods bond something you can apply everyday.
God Bless.
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Peace,
Well yes, of course he didn't saw something written on the stars etc but as you say he searched for the divine and by experience that evil cause more evil. Or that is actually how i see it. He turned to the right master who could provide the good things not pharao who was spreading horror and evil around.
He found the method to attract merci and goodness and peace.By viewing Pharao he saw the opposite.
Maria
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What on earth can one learn by looking at the stars or sun and the moon, or is there some scripture written on them?
They are not constant, and couldn't possibly be the God, as people of that day claimed. I think you missed the point of Abraham's story. He used logic to draw his conclusion.
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They are not constant, and couldn't possibly be the God, as people of that day claimed. I think you missed the point of Abraham's story. He used logic to draw his conclusion.
well DA,
the meanings i am using are based on lanes lexicon.
But;
you could be right- but not as i see things.your reasoning
Abraham after years of living his life gets a child- suddenly one night looks at a star and says that might be my RABB, Then "no" its the sun- that might be my Rabb, then again "no" its the Moon ;For God sakes man he is a prophet - beyond me your type of reasoning Br. Sorry.My reasoning
I think- you may or may not agree though.He gets a son who he tried saving by deception from a murder and then by being averice but neither gave way and may be other things in his life as well no doubt from which he realised people can't be your Rabb and neither the action of deception and avariciousness- but only actions or relationships based on Gods attributes are the Rabb, which provide to humanity.
You should be able to see this in practice all round the world- if you can't well........
God Bless All.
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Salaam mz
The words for these meanings are not shams and qamar, but tasham-mus and taqam-mur. The respective adjectives are mutasham-mis and mutaqam-mir. Both are derived from shams and qamar Sun and moon
Hi Samia,
Sorry dear i just wrote them like that to save time- but they aren't Sun and Moon anyway according when i did my research, but of course if you wish to interpret them like that that is your choice.
Was it dul qarnain who saw the sun setting into a muddy lake- May be that is some people's belief certainly not the majority here.
Its like saying the stick changed to snake- not at all.
God Bless.
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Hi Samia,
Sorry dear i just wrote them like that to save time- but they aren't Sun and Moon anyway according when i did my research, but of course if you wish to interpret them like that that is your choice.
Was it dul qarnain who saw the sun setting into a muddy lake- May be that is some people's belief certainly not the majority here.
Its like saying the stick changed to snake- not at all.
God Bless.
It makes perfect sense actually.
http//noel.feld.cvut.cz/~horcik/iceland/Iceimg/SUNSETS1.JPG
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It makes perfect sense actually.
http//noel.feld.cvut.cz/~horcik/iceland/Iceimg/SUNSETS1.JPG
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YUSUFALI Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water Near it he found a People We said "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
PICKTHAL Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.O man you are great you have found what a lot of us where confused about, Vow!
Sorry Br. just joking
God Bless All.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with speaking from someone else's perspective.
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Salaams Br,
ask any person with some knowledge, which of these three statements if any is correct.
setting in a spring of murky water
setting in a muddy spring
going down into a black sea
Thanks but i used have your brain in my head once upon a time- Thanks to people who helped me set it aright.
God Bless.
secondly wasn't there a different word for the ocean in your quran.
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Salaams Br,
ask any person with some knowledge, which of these three statements if any is correct.
setting in a spring of murky water
setting in a muddy spring
going down into a black sea
Thanks but i used have your brain in my head once upon a time- Thanks to people who helped me set it aright.
God Bless.
secondly wasn't there a different word for the ocean in your quran.
ask any person with some knowledge, which of these three statements if any is correct.
setting in a spring of murky water
setting in a muddy spring
going down into a black sea
Any "knowledgeable person" whereby "knowledgable" = "agreeing with my views", ain't that right? All of those statements are correct from the given perspective.
Thanks but i used have your brain in my head once upon a time- Thanks to people who helped me set it aright.
Maybe you should put it back in
secondly wasn't there a different word for the ocean in your quran.
On second thoughts, keep that new brain in there - if you can deduce there is an ocean in that photo, and nothing else (the radius is <17km needed for a horizon view similar to that), then clearly your brain has something mine doesn't.
In any case, explain the following verses, such as 590 if you please.
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589
Not call you to account Allah of futility in your faith/beliefs but will call you to account for what is deliberate in you faiths/beliefs????.
590
O you who believe the covering up and making things easier causes Distress and produces harm an abomination (of) handiwork (of) Satan so avoid it so that you may attain success.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14164.msg124761#msg124761
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Until when he reached the hiding place/the cover (of) the sun/Hostile (people)
He found it occupied in plain view scorn/tribal pride/stubborn disdain(passion of protection) and found with it a people We said ?O Dhulqarnain either you punish(them) or you treat them with kindness. He said as for him who does wrong shall we punish him then he will be brought back unto his lord who Will punish him (with) a torment terrible.But as for him who believes and works righteous he shall have reward the best and we shall speak unto him from our words mild.then he followed (another)way.until when he reached the rising place of the sun/place of hostilities he found it rising on a people not provided for whom against it (sun/hostilities) any shelter as it was and We knew whatever information with him.handshake
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Hi Samia,
Sorry dear i just wrote them like that to save time- but they aren't Sun and Moon anyway according when i did my research, but of course if you wish to interpret them like that that is your choice.
Was it dul qarnain who saw the sun setting into a muddy lake- May be that is some people's belief certainly not the majority here.
Its like saying the stick changed to snake- not at all.
God Bless.
Can you please cut and paste or copy the relevant part of Lane's? I do not have this lexicon. No classical dictionary says more than what I copied.
As for the verse of Dhul Qarnain, I think this is a poor literal translation that did not take into consideration the differences between Arabic and English expressions. If I say "alghuruub fi nahrin-neel" (literally sunset in the River Nile), it means the reflection of sunset in the river Nile, not the sun is setting inside the river. Interpreters should have been more careful. Even the tafaseer do not say that.
