Does Quran prohibit ?
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Ask this question from the Quran not me.
Since there is no prohibition for females to have multiple husbands ,so she can have as many as she likes.
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Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Assuming that we are talking about believing men and women, I thought that married women are off limits to men... so if a believing woman is married, what believing man would marry her in her married state?
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Assuming that we are talking about believing men and women, I thought that married women are off limits to men... so if a believing woman is married, what believing man would marry her in her married state?
Is there any Quranic restriction/prohibition that a married woman/man cannot marry ??
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I think that would be 423, 424 & 2432...
Please do not quote them in numbers ,put the verses and show where do they restrict ?
These are verses423
424
2432
Please hightlight and copy paste them back which indicatest that females cannot have multiple husbands.
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I apologize...
423 & 24 - "Forbidden for you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your fathers' sisters, and your mothers' sisters, and the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, and your foster mothers who suckled you, and your sisters from suckling, and the mothers of your wives, and your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you; and the wives of your sons that are from your seed, and that you join between two sisters except what has already been done. God is Forgiving, Merciful. And the already married from the women, except those who become widowed; God's scripture is over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for illicit sex. As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise."
2432 - "And marry off those among you that are single, and the good from among your male and female servants. If they are poor, then God will grant them from His grace. And God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable."
Hope that helps.
Peace
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Good point.I appreciate.
Since this order is for believer males.
It means muslims females can marry with as many non-muslim husbands as she likes.
Or you want to say that males are
-allowed upto four wives in some situation
-females are allowed only one husband.
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Peace,
Although 2432 is directed to both believing men and women (... marry off those among you that are single, and the good from among your male and female servants) but, in any case, the following verse does instruct the believing men and women not to marry non-believing counterparts
2221 - "And do not marry the females who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if she attracts you. And do not marry the males who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if he attracts you. Those invite to the Fire, while God is inviting to Paradise and forgiveness by His leave. He clarifies His revelations for the people that they may remember."
As for believing men allowed upto 4 women and females allowed only one husband, I am not too proficient on that topic, but I am sure that you will find some answers in the following thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13534.0
I am sorry that I could not be of more help to you in this regard. Hope that you find the answers you are looking for in that thread.
Peace
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Peace,
Although 2432 is directed to both believing men and women (... marry off those among you that are single, and the good from among your male and female servants) but, in any case, the following verse does instruct the believing men and women not to marry non-believing counterparts
2221 - "And do not marry the females who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if she attracts you. And do not marry the males who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if he attracts you. Those invite to the Fire, while God is inviting to Paradise and forgiveness by His leave. He clarifies His revelations for the people that they may remember."
As for believing men allowed upto 4 women and females allowed only one husband, I am not too proficient on that topic, but I am sure that you will find some answers in the following thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13534.0
I am sorry that I could not be of more help to you in this regard. Hope that you find the answers you are looking for in that thread.
Peace
Now here comes the definition of "Believers"
1Those who believe only in oneness of Allah or
2Those who belive in oneness of Allah + Prophethood of Muhammad PBUH.
Who are these ?
Secondly never forget that according to Quranists traditionalists by adopting Sunna of Prophet Muhammad PBUH are comitting "shirk". -
Now here comes the definition of "Believers"
1Those who believe only in oneness of Allah or
2Those who belive in oneness of Allah + Prophethood of Muhammad PBUH.
Who are these ?
Secondly never forget that according to Quranists traditionalists by adopting Sunna of Prophet Muhammad PBUH are comitting "shirk".The definition of "Believers"... Believers have been identified in the Quran by certain attributes but I guess personally I prefer the following verse which describe the attributes of the "Believers" pretty comprehensively
2177 - "Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he holds the salat, and he contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous."
So the belief in prophethood is not restricted to Prophet Muhammad but it is to believe in all the prophets, and believers do not differentiate between them
2285 - "The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord. And the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Scriptures, and His messengers "We do not differentiate between any of His messengers"; and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us O Lord, and to you is our destiny."
Peace
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Peace
If there is no prohibition ,it means a woman can marry multiple husbands .If there is prohibition ,then is this sex - discrimination ?
Yes, I believe the discrimination exists between the sexes in this instance. I believe a society based on quranic principles embodies the male having to follow specific duties in which he has a right to more than one wife so long as he can meet his duties.
Joe
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Guys I think Leoxyz just come back...
He's really bad in covering his unique writing style, isn't he?
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Peace
Yes, I believe the discrimination exists between the sexes in this instance. I believe a society based on quranic principles embodies the male having to follow specific duties in which he has a right to more than one wife so long as he can meet his duties.
Joe
You want to say that Quran advocates 'sex discrimination"??
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I think we are confusing possibility with right. The aya where that possibility is given refers to orphans and women without means and poligamy is contemplated only in that context. It is not that the male is given a right, but it is made possible for the society to have orhphans and destitute or un protected women to be provided for. It is rather the right of those orphans and women that is protected, not the right of any male to have x wives. If later fiqh has made it a right for men, then they were already not following the qur'an.
As to why women do not have a right to have more husbands, it is obvious that if there is shortage of men and you want women to have more than one husband, the shortage of men will be greater and more men will find themselves having to make use of their "right" to have still more women.
We can go on and imagine a situation where there are many men destitute with orphans and women are in a much smaller number and in a much better situation to afford a burdening themselves with more husbands and orphans. That way we will satisfy the theoretical principle of equality of problems between the sexes, but I don't remember that there has ever bee such situation, and all one could do is just dream that such a situation will sometime arise, where not only men and their orphans are in difficulties, but that there are in fact many more men than women and that many of those men are in fact in greater difficulties that all women. But if such situation arises, obviously in equity a solution that is as satisfactory as in the case of this aya could be applied.
To make it short men and women have equal right to be protected by society. The marriage for the sake of taking care of orphans and unprotected women is a possibility afforded to make effective that protection.
Salaam
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I think we are confusing possibility with right. The aya where that possibility is given refers to orphans and women without means and poligamy is contemplated only in that context. It is not that the male is given a right, but it is made possible for the society to have orhphans and destitute or un protected women to be provided for. It is rather the right of those orphans and women that is protected, not the right of any male to have x wives. If later fiqh has made it a right for men, then they were already not following the qur'an.
As to why women do not have a right to have more husbands, it is obvious that if there is shortage of men and you want women to have more than one husband, the shortage of men will be greater and more men will find themselves having to make use of their "right" to have still more women.
We can go on and imagine a situation where there are many men destitute with orphans and women are in a much smaller number and in a much better situation to afford a burdening themselves with more husbands and orphans. That way we will satisfy the theoretical principle of equality of problems between the sexes, but I don't remember that there has ever bee such situation, and all one could do is just dream that such a situation will sometime arise, where not only men and their orphans are in difficulties, but that there are in fact many more men than women and that many of those men are in fact in greater difficulties that all women. But if such situation arises, obviously in equity a solution that is as satisfactory as in the case of this aya could be applied.
To make it short men and women have equal right to be protected by society. The marriage for the sake of taking care of orphans and unprotected women is a possibility afforded to make effective that protection.
Salaam
So according to Quranist explanation ,if there are 10 men and one woman on an island.All ten can marry one woman.
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So according to Quranist explanation ,if there are 10 men and one woman on an island.All ten can marry one woman.
bravo bravoI'm sorry but I fail to see how you arrived at this conclusion from the posts above. What Br. huruf explained was that polygamy can only be for the sake of orphans and women without means. I hope that none of your posts are due to any personal animosity but due to genuine curiosity to learn the truth.
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I'm sorry but I fail to see how you arrived at this conclusion from the posts above. What Br. huruf explained was that polygamy can only be for the sake of orphans and women without means. I hope that none of your posts are due to any personal animosity but due to genuine curiosity to learn the truth.
Look at his middle paragraph
We can go on and imagine a situation where there are many men destitute with orphans and women are in a much smaller number and in a much better situation to afford a burdening themselves with more husbands and orphans. That way we will satisfy the theoretical principle of equality of problems between the sexes, but I don't remember that there has ever bee such situation, and all one could do is just dream that such a situation will sometime arise, where not only men and their orphans are in difficulties, but that there are in fact many more men than women and that many of those men are in fact in greater difficulties that all women. But if such situation arises, obviously in equity a solution that is as satisfactory as in the case of this aya could be applied.
In principle he agrees that many husband for one woman.
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Good point.I appreciate.
Since this order is for believer males.
It means muslims females can marry with as many non-muslim husbands as she likes.
Or you want to say that males are
-allowed upto four wives in some situation
-females are allowed only one husband.
Then what about gender equality ?The order is for both. What makes you think that the address is to men only?
Leoxyz, (I am addressing you with your first personality's name), instead of wasting time reincarnating again and again, it would be better if you try to learn something, if you even care to learn