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Do believers really win in this life?

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    farida
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    Salaam all

    Read the story of Khidr in the Our'an which reflects on the mysteries of life and that eventually believers do win. However what is better than Zakina/Toubah (peace/tranquility) and a beleiver would attain this through the understanding of the true message from our Creator.

    Best regards

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      Zulf
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      Farida, Nazz,

      The question is what is the true message?

      I think the answer can be found in Nazz's post! What we think about the quran is just that, a thought. But our lives are much more than that. The universe is governed by set laws and principles. Nothing happens by random chane without a reason.

      One can research things like "law of attraction" on the web and explore the world of the mind and how it works to create your life.

      Peace all
      Ulf

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        G_Omar
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        Peace Tarikh my friend,

        God will add to our knowledge and our wisdom if we follow his guidance, but we frequently mistake his grace for punishment. Any one who is selected for suffering, and remains patient, will aquire wisdom, one of God's greatest gifts. Gold must be smelted to rid it of its ore and men must suffer to rid them of pride and to achieve true humility, which is what brings us near to Allah. Be happy as, inasmuch as you suffer, you are of the chosen ones. Just look at all the prophets, who were so shaken that they cried "When comes the victory of Allah?!"

        Chin up angel

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          naxus
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          Peace. If believers (in quran alone) are supposed to win in this life and in the other, then why is it not the case for me? I take myself as an example. Nothing really works for me. Sure, i've had some amelioration in my life both spiritually and materially, but my counterparts are way ahead of me. I know that success isn't about material gain, but why does a believer lacking behind? Any possible reason, why God could be angry with a believer?

          I will tell one thing to you.If spirituality is working for you then material will work for you any way....what you should understand is that if you are so sincere with God then why are you not having any peace in this life......

          Reason is brother you are like that patient brother who can read a medical book but on his own he can not use that information to cure or even diagnosed his disease or lets say you are a person who can read a book of law for him self but he need an attorney to take care of his legal matters.....

          Brother/sister your spirituality is not fixed and thats why material things are bothering you so much.....you need some one with more knowledge to guide you to the spiritual peace in your life.....

          you and many others here think that just reading words is enough to make you understand those words but if you didnt know ABDC then how can you read english .If you don,t know the terminologies of medicine then does not matter how many time you read a medical book ...it will make sense to you.....

          If it was about worldly gain then why was Mohammed SAW not an emporer or a king or at least a minister to a great king but he was just a Prophet .....

          and you are not suppose to be a Prophet but just his follower.....now just like so many people who come to him for guidance...you also need to get back to him for guidance....yes guidance is from Allah,s only but thats why he made Mohammed SAW an example for you......He knew his slaves need an inspiration and you are with out one.....

          thats why he is a mercy for the mankind because Allah made it easy for all of us through him.....but this does not mean he is a God but he is a prophet and the final one........if you try to understand Quran through the eyes of Abu Jahil then you will not see the understanding of Mohammed SAW in it.....

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            Zulf
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            yes, you cannot just read wisdom and expect to have it... and I don't think you can just follow someone wise ones actions, and expect to be wise. Instead you have to LEARN it and EARN it. Wisdom comes when you go through life with an open, positive and intelligent mind and think for yourself and work to be good. Some book or some messenger/prophet is not enough. We have to LIVE in this world and make the best out of it. This is what it is all about. There is no point in just copying someones behavior, it has to come from the heart, from the inside out, and it has to have real, practical reasons. Eveything has to be done for the right reasons. We are not sheep, we are human beings with minds and free will.

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              SwedenMajidah
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              Peace. If believers (in quran alone) are supposed to win in this life and in the other, then why is it not the case for me? I take myself as an example. Nothing really works for me. Sure, i've had some amelioration in my life both spiritually and materially, but my counterparts are way ahead of me. I know that success isn't about material gain, but why does a believer lacking behind? Any possible reason, why God could be angry with a believer?

              Peace Tarikh,

              I have said this so many times to people, the winning concept comes to you when you believe in yourself and love yourself. When you got a vision, focus on that vision and believe that you already has it and you can see yourself using it. Then you will likely have it soner or later. Important is to stay away from doubts, doubts kill all your visions so they cannot become realities.

              There is no angry God who control you Tarikh. People can be angry at eachother for annoying things but you are the one who can change your attitude and be a smiling and good person. Everytime you change a negative thought with a positive thought indeed you have done a great thing not only for yourself but also for people in your surroundings who may easily catch your energy.

              And please don't forget to be grateful, say Thank You!!! many times a day to different kind of things and events. You are in a good mood when you are grateful, so lets start be grateful here and now sun

              Peace
              Maria

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                tarikh
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                Peace maria, i did read yr post last time and i did try to change my thoughts, and be positive and use visualization, but tell me, can i change people's thoughts with mine? For instance, just by thinking that someone will be nice will not necessary work IF that person thinks himself as being evil?

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                  Wilson
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                  Peace,

                  http//www.conures.net/allen/allenhm.shtml

                  Abdelilah

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                    tarikh
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                    Peace, thanks 4 the link

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                      naxus
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                      yes, you cannot just read wisdom and expect to have it... and I don't think you can just follow someone wise ones actions, and expect to be wise. Instead you have to LEARN it and EARN it. Wisdom comes when you go through life with an open, positive and intelligent mind and think for yourself and work to be good. Some book or some messenger/prophet is not enough. We have to LIVE in this world and make the best out of it. This is what it is all about. There is no point in just copying someones behavior, it has to come from the heart, from the inside out, and it has to have real, practical reasons. Eveything has to be done for the right reasons. We are not sheep, we are human beings with minds and free will.

                      Humans learn from the best and they act wise..... other wise they will be stupid and will not get any where with their free will...

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                        Peace. If believers (in quran alone) are supposed to win in this life and in the other, then why is it not the case for me? I take myself as an example. Nothing really works for me. Sure, i've had some amelioration in my life both spiritually and materially, but my counterparts are way ahead of me. I know that success isn't about material gain, but why does a believer lacking behind? Any possible reason, why God could be angry with a believer?

                        Salam.

                        I have been deported twice from USA, banned also, i have been banned from this mosque near me here in Leicester, UK, i am still a virgin, i got only 100 GBP saved up money and that's pretty much it.

                        But I have a place to stay, a job, knowledge, i can see, i can walk, i can talk, i speak the language of 480.000.000 million English speaking people, i have written 12 scripts, each worth at least $50.000 USD, i have many friends on this forum, i have food, i have water, there is peace in my heart as well in UK, i have a brother, mother, father, i'm not poor, orphan or homeless, i got The Qur'an, ........

                        I could go on and on untill the next day what i got.
                        I am grateful to God that i'm not hooked up on this world like some of the people i know in Slovenija and even here in Leicester.

                        Peace.

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                          peace4life
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                          alhamdu lillah brother Alen,

                          Like Allah says in the Quran.. if you count your blessings you won't reach a number. sun

                          God bless.

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                            naxus
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                            Peace, thanks 4 the link

                            Salam

                            Sister /Bro

                            Sometime things looks weary because we are unaware of how much blessed we are?.watch this video Inshahallah you will realize that there is plenty with which your God has favored you but you see Satan is one great master illusionist so watch this video and break his illusion of why there is no successes because what you need is a thankful heart and not a success and believe it or not there is plenty to be thankful for??

                            http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccgbH0YTQA

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                              SwedenMajidah
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                              Peace maria, i did read yr post last time and i did try to change my thoughts, and be positive and use visualization, but tell me, can i change people's thoughts with mine? For instance, just by thinking that someone will be nice will not necessary work IF that person thinks himself as being evil?

                              Peace Tarikh,

                              Yes, you are right that you cannot control other peoples thoughts and minds. But When you want something, and when you visualize it and do that many times, you will attract that things to you so it will be drawn to you in some way. But to doubt and/or ponder about how this will happen, will destroy your true visions.

                              Try to paint or draw a visualization paintings and hang up in a place you often can view it. On that painting, you will put things that you will come true, it can be one thing or many things.

                              I have one hanging on my refrigator in my kitchen.

                              Maria

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                                tarikh
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                                Peace maria, i understand that thoughts change our lives but how do you concile this with the fact that quran says 'everything is in accordance with God's will' or 'whether you chop down a tree or leave it standing is in accordance with God's will'. For instance, if i really want to marry a girl, i visualize this, but no matter what, i cant seem to succeed. Wouldn't that be because God didn't will it cause He knows that girl wont be nice to me? Surely God doesn't will that bad things happen to believers. Everything bad that happens to you is due to yr own deed.

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                                  Tay
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                                  Peace Tarikh,

                                  You stated

                                  Everything bad that happens to you is due to yr own deed.

                                  Please rethink your position with the understanding that many, many children are suffering on this planet. Could it be that their own deeds caused starvation, homelessness, disease, orphanhood, etc.?

                                  We are here to take care of each other, to learn from each other, and to better each other, collectively. Praying to God does not control God's will as one would control a magic genie. Praying puts your mind and heart in the right place to be able to go out with the strength, conviction, and peacefulness that it requires to achieve your desires in the right light.

                                  Peace,
                                  Tay

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                                    tarikh
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                                    Peace tay, it's not me who says that. It's in quran.

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                                      Tay
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                                      Peace Tarikh,

                                      Please post the ayat you feel support your statements so we can discuss them.

                                      Peace,
                                      Tay

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                                        peace4life
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                                        Peace Naxus,

                                        Your video has brought tears to my eyes. pr

                                        What more proof do we need that this life is just a temporary test?

                                        peace

                                        angel

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                                          tarikh
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                                          Peace tay, here's the verse. 479 anything good that happens to you is from God, anything bad is the consequence of yr own deed. And also 1711 in relation to visualizing something we want. The human being often prays for something that may hurt him, whilst thinking he's praying for good.

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