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Peace SwedenMajidah,
You said enough in this post and the ones that follow it, so that anyone who believes that Al Quran is from Allah and that we should obey Him; what you have written is enough and I dont have to add to it!
My name is Maria, and yes I believe that Quran is the printed visions Muhammad got. And in the question of muslim and or mumin, i don't care what other people believe and as I said before, if muslim and mumin means that I must believe that Quran is from God and that God order us to obey him then I'm not a muslim or mumin.
Maria
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Peace SwedenMajidah,
If I call you anything, it is only because Allah in Al Quran has called people who say what you say those things. To me, I personally don't care. As you say, you are peaceful; so you are not bothering me and I am fine with whatever you choose to believe. My references to you are only for the purpose of this forum, not for life in general. To you be your way and to me mine. Nothing you have said about yourself and what you belief, has not Allah already addressed in Al Quran as part of a disbeliever in Him.
I just don't understand how you can be accepted as a moderator on this site to enforce the forum rules. That's like making a person who speeds in their car everyday and runs all the red lights, a traffic court judge. Doesn't add up!
Peace,
So you are indirect pointing fingers at me and call me a disbeliever(kaffirun)?
Don't you know that accusing other people will lead to that you will be accused yourself, you beg for it yourself, i'm sorry to say it but that's true.I see myself as a believer in the world that I'm part of. I respect all living things, animals, bugs, flowers, trees, moon, sun,stars, planets, galaxies, Universe itself, well everything I accept because i'm part of it and we must co operate in a good way to live a healthy life in harmony.
People who see themselves as better than someone else is far away from the truth because how can they co-operate when they have this kind of beliefs?
Maria
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Peace SwedenMajidah,
If I call you anything, it is only because Allah in Al Quran has called people who say what you say those things. To me, I personally don't care. As you say, you are peaceful; so you are not bothering me and I am fine with whatever you choose to believe. My references to you are only for the purpose of this forum, not for life in general. To you be your way and to me mine. Nothing you have said about yourself and what you belief, has not Allah already addressed in Al Quran as part of a disbeliever in Him.
I just don't understand how you can be accepted as a moderator on this site to enforce the forum rules. That's like making a person who speeds in their car everyday and runs all the red lights, a traffic court judge. Doesn't add up!
Peace,
For the first thing, I'm not a moderator and I have never wanted to be a moderator. I just mention that I am one of the first members in this forum, but according my profile it looks like i haven't been a member that long but I have another member name before i took this swedenmajidah.
I must say you sound too much sunni, are you sure you have come to right forum?
Allah Allah Allah says that and that it's all you can say, but do you know Allah? have you seen him?
Why is it so hard to understand that Allah is a energy force just like we are, around our body we have a thick energy field and our body is just carry around our soul.
When Quran says obey Allah it means that we shall obey that we get in return from him because remember we have asked for it and then we get it in return. and to have belief in Allah(the higher force) is ofcourse neccessary how else then could I turn to that force and wish and beg for things!?
That who differ us is that you see Allah as some egoistic God who only put rewards and punishments were he feels like. but the fact is Allah doesn't need anything from us. We turn to him to get what we wish for in a more powerful return. And if you wish and longing for things that harm you, then it's your own fault, Allah just give what you have begged for.
And an advice from me is that Quran shouldn't be taken to the fulliest to the letters, much of it is written between the lines and are allegorical. But it seems that too many muslims take it by the letter and therefore they cannot grasp the truth.
Maria
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Peace sis "majidah",
And an advice from me is that Quran shouldn't be taken to the fulliest to the letters, much of it is written between the lines and are allegorical. But it seems that too many muslims take it by the letter and therefore they cannot grasp the truth.
JK- Sure there are allegories in the Quran but i dont really understand what people mean when they say "dont take it down to every letter". IMHO ofcourse the analysis of the terms used the Quran and the grammatical construct is vital in order to understand what message it actually conveys. It woudlnt make much sense otherwise. What the sectarians are wrong at THAT THEY USE HADITH i.e. BIBLICAL INDUCED interpretations of a significantly large number of terms used in the Quran. They think they are the ones whor literally following the Quran. Well guess what, THEY ARE NOT. Tough AINT IT YOU SUNNI/SHIA MULLAHs? But you aint following the Quran literally at all. Your biased, your understanding of Quran is corrupt. You dont know the proper scientific method which applies to everything including the study and interpretation of langauges. Your level of progress is zero and yet you fascists wanna enforce your BS upon everyone else. I really blame them primarily for others to even think that they are the ones who interpret the Quran literally whilst theyr not. Take a look at independent researchers like bros Edip, Arnold Yasin, Shabbir Ahmed, Ghulam Pervez etc. they come close to a LITERAL interpretaion of the Quran and it marvelously makes perfect sense. GOD Bless!
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Peace SwedenMajidah,
Im glad you cleared up for me that you are NOT a moderator. I feel much better now. I am sure there are moderators who have viewpoints on Al Quran that I don't agree with, but I can accept that. But to have one that is agnostic or athesist would be beyond my acceptance. So we are good there so to speak.
BTW, Im not sunni; no matter how much you want me to be! nope
Yes, I know Allah; just as He wants me to know Him, through His attributes and what He reveals in scripture. I don't expect to see Him since He is above what we know as "vision"; maybe you have missed that point and are disturbed that you can't see Him. (Maybe you feel more comfortable seeing your "energy fields"
I have no problem understanding about Allah what I need to from Al Quran and His ayaat in creation. On the other hand, it seems that it is you that are frustrated that others have "faith" in something that you can't seem to comprehend. It is not our faulth that you have not been guided yet. Try not to be so sure about what you think you know and maybe Allah will guide you one day; cause we can't help you.
With your understanding of Al Quran and Allah, I don't think that anyone who has faith in it will be taking any advice from you on how we should follow it. nope
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
Peace,
For the first thing, I'm not a moderator and I have never wanted to be a moderator. I just mention that I am one of the first members in this forum, but according my profile it looks like i haven't been a member that long but I have another member name before i took this swedenmajidah.
I must say you sound too much sunni, are you sure you have come to right forum?
Allah Allah Allah says that and that it's all you can say, but do you know Allah? have you seen him?
Why is it so hard to understand that Allah is a energy force just like we are, around our body we have a thick energy field and our body is just carry around our soul.
When Quran says obey Allah it means that we shall obey that we get in return from him because remember we have asked for it and then we get it in return. and to have belief in Allah(the higher force) is ofcourse neccessary how else then could I turn to that force and wish and beg for things!?
That who differ us is that you see Allah as some egoistic God who only put rewards and punishments were he feels like. but the fact is Allah doesn't need anything from us. We turn to him to get what we wish for in a more powerful return. And if you wish and longing for things that harm you, then it's your own fault, Allah just give what you have begged for.
And an advice from me is that Quran shouldn't be taken to the fulliest to the letters, much of it is written between the lines and are allegorical. But it seems that too many muslims take it by the letter and therefore they cannot grasp the truth.
Maria
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Peace SwedenMajidah,
Im glad you cleared up for me that you are NOT a moderator. I feel much better now. I am sure there are moderators who have viewpoints on Al Quran that I don't agree with, but I can accept that. But to have one that is agnostic or athesist would be beyond my acceptance. So we are good there so to speak.
BTW, Im not sunni; no matter how much you want me to be! nope
Yes, I know Allah; just as He wants me to know Him, through His attributes and what He reveals in scripture. I don't expect to see Him since He is above what we know as "vision"; maybe you have missed that point and are disturbed that you can't see Him. (Maybe you feel more comfortable seeing your "energy fields"
Peace,
Energy field are felt you don't see them, I just comment upon "have you seen Allah" because it seems that you don't know who he is.
Ok, you don't understand my view, well it's not so strange because I can bet on that you have never heard of "The Secret" !?
If you have bother yourself to read that book maybe you have understand my way, but of course it doesn't have to mean that you would accept that way but that is totally a different thing. We all follow what we feel is right in our heart. There is no cumpulsion even not in Islam.
Author Rhonda Byrne Title The Secret
Maria
I have no problem understanding about Allah what I need to from Al Quran and His ayaat in creation. On the other hand, it seems that it is you that are frustrated that others have "faith" in something that you can't seem to comprehend. It is not our faulth that you have not been guided yet. Try not to be so sure about what you think you know and maybe Allah will guide you one day; cause we can't help you.
With your understanding of Al Quran and Allah, I don't think that anyone who has faith in it will be taking any advice from you on how we should follow it. nope
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Peace,
I guess to your surprise and incorrect assumptions, I know all about the secret and have read the book. I understand what you believe and the law of attraction. I also know what is Shirk. But like you said, their is no compulsion to accept Al Islam.
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
Peace,
Energy field are felt you don't see them, I just comment upon "have you seen Allah" because it seems that you don't know who he is.
Ok, you don't understand my view, well it's not so strange because I can bet on that you have never heard of "The Secret" !?
If you have bother yourself to read that book maybe you have understand my way, but of course it doesn't have to mean that you would accept that way but that is totally a different thing. We all follow what we feel is right in our heart. There is no cumpulsion even not in Islam.
Author Rhonda Byrne Title The Secret
Maria
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Peace,
Ok, but if you choosed to be a muslim and follow Allah in that light you have explained then it's your choice, you have no other one to blame than yourself because you have decide to follow that path.
I myself found many answers and aha experience when i read "The secret", I have been muslims during soon 18 years and I haven't been fully satisfied and I have found it in the secret at last. Thanks!!!!
I have face so many unfair things done by muslims who uphold Quran and they even kill in the name of , Allah, Islam, Muhammad, Quran and maybe also hadiths.
I cannot stand for that and I feel ashame of call myself a muslim. I think it's all about contradictions, the true message have been distorted and therefore the peace is gone.
I cannot see the logic in praying 5 times a day heading the Kaaba in Makka, I find it wasting of time and energy and also a form of idolworshipping.
So I will be a happy and grateful person who do good things, that's my call.
Maria
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Peace sis "majidah",
JK- Sure there are allegories in the Quran but i dont really understand what people mean when they say "dont take it down to every letter". IMHO ofcourse the analysis of the terms used the Quran and the grammatical construct is vital in order to understand what message it actually conveys. It woudlnt make much sense otherwise. What the sectarians are wrong at THAT THEY USE HADITH i.e. BIBLICAL INDUCED interpretations of a significantly large number of terms used in the Quran. They think they are the ones whor literally following the Quran. Well guess what, THEY ARE NOT. Tough AINT IT YOU SUNNI/SHIA MULLAHs? But you aint following the Quran literally at all. Your biased, your understanding of Quran is corrupt. You dont know the proper scientific method which applies to everything including the study and interpretation of langauges. Your level of progress is zero and yet you fascists wanna enforce your BS upon everyone else. I really blame them primarily for others to even think that they are the ones who interpret the Quran literally whilst theyr not. Take a look at independent researchers like bros Edip, Arnold Yasin, Shabbir Ahmed, Ghulam Pervez etc. they come close to a LITERAL interpretaion of the Quran and it marvelously makes perfect sense. GOD Bless!
Peace Brother,
I have never blame free-minds brothers like you mentioned, they are really doing a great job.
But it's me, I who have take on in a new direction.
When I read "The secret" of Rhonda Byrne it was like I got the last missed piece of the puzzle so it become a whole.Quran is a great scripture but who have said it was the last message and Muhammad was the last messenger?
Maybe Muhammad couldn't describe it better for people to understand and therefore there has been so many questions from us who have dig deeper and who not simple accept everything written just like that.
It's intresting that Quran says that we shall search for knowledge and go out and see the traces from the history and such.
Monotheism for me means that we are all ONE and therefore Quran points out that we shall unite and not split, so monotheism is not just that we shall believe in ONE higher force but also that we are part of this ONE.
If we hurt the ONE we hurt ourself, it's so clear and obvious for us who understands.
Maria
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Peace sis "majidah",
JK- huh? You mean even Muslims who uphold Quran Alone? GOD Bless!
Peace,
I hardly know any muslims who uphold Quran Alone, so to say that would be a lie.
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As Salaamu Alaikum all,
"The Secret", which ain't a secret anymore, lives on as "The Law of Attraction"! I wonder if people felt this excited when they learned what to call that hidden force that keeps us all stuck to the earth (gravity)? ! Do you think they started a "gravity" religion or cult as well? hail Possible I guess. hmm Maybe this is what "Star Wars" is really all about.."The Secret". We can all be jedis now! jedi
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Peace sis "majidah",
JK- Ic. And what do you think from the opinions on the forums where Quran Alone ppl discuss and debate? GOD Bless!
Peace,
It differs what I think because it depends who I meet in a debate, people here are very different even if they call themselves Quran alone followers.
Some I agree with and some I disagree with.
Maria
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As Salaamu Alaikum all,
"The Secret", which ain't a secret anymore, lives on as "The Law of Attraction"! I wonder if people felt this excited when they learned what to call that hidden force that keeps us all stuck to the earth (gravity)? ! Do you think they started a "gravity" religion or cult as well? hail Possible I guess. hmm Maybe this is what "Star Wars" is really all about.."The Secret". We can all be jedis now! jedi
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
No, I don't think they started a religion or a cult. And we self decide what to attract so what's the problem?
Aha, you longing to be a "jedi" ? Well that's not impossible, tune in to correct vision about becoming a jedi, it might work ;D
Maria
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Peace SwedenMajidah jedi mate,
You seem to be using the "Secret" (Law of Attraction) to keep attracting me here to comment to your posts! rotfl
Just stop it! & You jedi mind trick user. jedi
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As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
No, I don't think they started a religion or a cult. And we self decide what to attract so what's the problem?
Aha, you longing to be a "jedi" ? Well that's not impossible, tune in to correct vision about becoming a jedi, it might work ;D
Maria
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Have I, it was more than I knew myself!!!