Menstruating women praying and fasting
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Peace.
Ponder on this thought...
Men are told not to have intercourse with the wife untill she is purified or cleansed, right?
God tells us to purify or cleanse when we make salat, or after discharge from the private area...(after sexual relations there is discharge)
Then in other verses it states God loves the cleansed or purified.
Could this not be hinting to it is better to not to so...
or does it imply that if a woman is menstrating she should take a bath and make wudu then pray?Your thought are welcomed.
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Ponder on this thought too
Men are told not to have intercourse with the wife untill she is purified or cleansed
Does that mean that the couple cannot have sexual relationships without being "purified or cleansed"?
Salaam
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Ponder on this thought too
Men are told not to have intercourse with the wife untill she is purified or cleansed
Does that mean that the couple cannot have sexual relationships without being "purified or cleansed"?
Salaam
Yes it does if you put it in the context that Allah gave in Al Quran...the purification/cleansing is from al maHeed, not in general.
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Peace all,
I am with siki, huruf and peace4life on this one, i.e. being in a state of menstruation does not prohibit women from performing salaat. The view of those opposing this is based on the following premise
Allah says/indicates/implies "do not approach salaat until one is tahoor", or "do not approach salaat when one is in ANY state requiring tahara".
Can they please quote the sign which says/implies that, otherwise they are attributing to The God which He never said/implied.
If it says "when you are junub then tahiroo before salaat" DOES NOT MEAN/IMPLY "do not approach salaat until you tahiroo". That is a logical fallacy. All it means is not to perform salaat in one particular state requiring tahara, i.e. junub, and not ALL states requiring tahara.
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Peace Tanveer,
You are misunderstanding and therefore misquoting the logic here.
It is not "do not approach salaat until one is in a state requiring tahara"; the point is that Allah says do not approach salaat in a "condition" that necessitates "tahara" until after you have peformed "tahara" or "tayyamun" if you find no water.
So the simple logic behind it is that the state of "al maHeed" is a condition that necessitates "tahara" before a man and woman can have sex. It is given for the purpose of not having sex, but the condition clearly necessitates "tahara". By the condition necessitating "tahara", it therefore connects it to "as salaat". Regarding "as salaat", a condition that necessitates "tahara" must be completed so that the "tahara" can be performed. For example, one can not have sex, make "tahara", have sex again and then perform "as salaat". One must make "tahara" when sex is completely finished. Likewise, during "al maHeed", "tahara" can not be performed until it is completed. So the one who accepts that a condition necessitating "tahara" negates making "as salaat" until that condition is finished and the person makes "tahara" either with water or clean earth if one can find no water; this person accepts this to mean that a woman is precluded from performing "as salaat" until "al maheed" is completed. This is a mercy from Allah to women because "al maheed" can be a hurt for them, although maybe not to all; so thus a lifting of the command is given for them. Similarily in a reverse and slight way, a restriction of the command to not eat pork is lifted if one is in a dire condition that would necessitate one eating it, i.e. weak, sick, starving with nothing else to eat.
You don't have to accept or agree to it, but the logic is sound.
As Salaamu Alaikum,
Peace all,
I am with siki and huruf and peace4life on this one, i.e. being in a state of menstruation does not prohibit women from performing salaat. The view of those opposing this is based on the following premise
Allah says/indicates/implies "do not approach salaat until one is tahoor", or "do not approach salaat until one is in a state requiring tahara".
Can they please quote the sign which says/implies that, otherwise they are attributing to The God which He never said/implied.
If it says "when you are junub then tahiroo before salaat" DOES NOT MEAN/IMPLY "do not approach salaat until you tahiroo". That is a logical fallacy.
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Please quote the verse where God says so
Why should I do it when I already know that you know which one it is? Are we here to play games or discuss the Book?
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Could you post the aya, please? I don't know which aya you are talking about.
Salaam
Why don't you study my response to Samia on the same question.
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Brother Imam
salam handshake
For God's sake brickwall, your intellect , experience and reasoning is far above the kinda arguments that you are posting. All I can say is that you are totally stuck hypno with a preconceived understanding regarding this particular issue.
Trust me , ;D some of your arguments give an impression as if it is brother Hassan posting in IQO jedi disguise.
I am willing to give another try to make you understand voodoo, provided your are ready to wipe off the (acquired) sectarian notions, and offer me a clean slate?
If not , all i can do is pr for youpeace
siki
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Salaams siki,
Did you read this post of mine?
Peace Tanveer,
You are misunderstanding and therefore misquoting the logic here.
It is not "do not approach salaat until one is in a state requiring tahara"; the point is that Allah says do not approach salaat in a "condition" that necessitates "tahara" until after you have peformed "tahara" or "tayyamun" if you find no water.
So the simple logic behind it is that the state of "al maHeed" is a condition that necessitates "tahara" before a man and woman can have sex. It is given for the purpose of not having sex, but the condition clearly necessitates "tahara". By the condition necessitating "tahara", it therefore connects it to "as salaat". Regarding "as salaat", a condition that necessitates "tahara" must be completed so that the "tahara" can be performed. For example, one can not have sex, make "tahara", have sex again and then perform "as salaat". One must make "tahara" when sex is completely finished. Likewise, during "al maHeed", "tahara" can not be performed until it is completed. So the one who accepts that a condition necessitating "tahara" negates making "as salaat" until that condition is finished and the person makes "tahara" either with water or clean earth if one can find no water; this person accepts this to mean that a woman is precluded from performing "as salaat" until "al maheed" is completed. This is a mercy from Allah to women because "al maheed" can be a hurt for them, although maybe not to all; so thus a lifting of the command is given for them. Similarily in a reverse and slight way, a restriction of the command to not eat pork is lifted if one is in a dire condition that would necessitate one eating it, i.e. weak, sick, starving with nothing else to eat.
You don't have to accept or agree to it, but the logic is sound.
As Salaamu Alaikum, )
What about it don't you understand brother?
Brother Imam
salam handshake
For God's sake brickwall, your intellect , experience and reasoning is far above the kinda arguments that you are posting. All I can say is that you are totally stuck hypno with a preconceived understanding regarding this particular issue.
Trust me , ;D some of your arguments give an impression as if it is brother Hassan posting in IQO jedi disguise.
I am willing to give another try to make you understand voodoo, provided your are ready to wipe off the (acquired) sectarian notions, and offer me a clean slate?
If not , all i can do is pr for youpeace
siki
Im not a sectarian nor do I hold any beliefs based from their thinking. Any views, opinions, understandings or things I have faith in from Al Quran, are based on Al Quran and not hadeeth or sectarian views.
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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There is nothing to study, because there is no such response. So I gather that you do not have an answer. Fine. Taken note. Thank you.
Salaam
Study this
Why should I do it when I already know that you know which one it is? Are we here to play games or discuss the Book?
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Once again That is not a response to the question. So indeed you don't want to answer or you don't have an answer. Note already taken.
Salaam
Why don't you do a brook and just ignore my posts.... hmm
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Not if you offer something that interests me. If you don't have what you offer that is another question. At any rate, since it is clear to me by now that you do not have an answer that is find, I will not ask you for it.
Salaam and enjoy having the las tword that you will not fail to want to have after this.
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Salaam huruf,
Im hoping that I offer nothing that interests you. If you can't find what I offer, then alhamdulilaah. If I have no answer to your question that you already know the answer to, then believe as you will. Thanks for inviting me to have the last word. For that, I will post a quote
"Don't toss pearls to swine".....maybe you can tell me who the author is?
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
Not if you offer something that interests me. If you don't have what you offer that is another question. At any rate, since it is clear to me by now that you do not have an answer that is find, I will not ask you for it.
Salaam and enjoy having the las tword that you will not fail to want to have after this.
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Transliteration Wayas-aloonaka AAani almaheedi qul huwa athan faiAAtaziloo alnnisaa fee almaheedi wala taqraboohunna hatta yathurna fa-itha tatahharna fa/toohunna min haythu amarakumu Allahu inna Allaha yuhibbu alttawwabeena wayuhibbu almutatahhireena
Literal And they ask/question you about the menstruation, say "It is mild harm, so separate/withdraw the women in the menstruation, and do not approach them (F) until they be cleaned/purified, so if they became cleaned/purified, so come to them (F), from where/when God ordered you, that God loves/likes the repentant, and He loves/likes the pure/clean.
They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say They are a hurt and a pollution So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.This ayat is important to physical preparedness before As-Salaat because of it?s implication for women. This ayat tells men not to approach women during their menstrual cycles or post birth bleeding, ?Al-MaHeeD?; until they have cleansed or purified themselves thereof, ?yathurna?. And when they have cleansed or purified themselves, ?ta-Tah-harna?, then men can approach their wives in the ways approved of by Allah. This is very important because it connects the state of ?Al-MaHeeD?, or menstruation and post birth bleeding, as one necessitating ?tah-hara? or cleansing and purification. Allah has told us in the last ayat given, 56, that we should not approach As-Salaat in a state necessitating ?tah-hara?. So this establishes from the Qur?an that women are exempted from As-Salaat as long as they are in a state of ?Al-MaHeed? as a Mercy to them from Allah!
Peace.
"almaheedi" what does this mean exactly? menstruation or any type of female bleeding? I think to define this would be more beneficial to the understanding.
I see this has been translated as menstruation, but does it refer only to monthly menstruation or does it refer to any type of physical blood?
Clarification and evidence would be beneficial, God willing.
YTV
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Salaams YTV,
My understanding is that it means menstrual bleeding and post partum bleeding as well. I am not 100% sure if that is supported in all the lexicons and dictionaries. Don't know if that helps or not.
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Peace.
If anyone can please post God willing the answer to my question previously stated and listed below, this would be beneficial... God willing.
"almaheedi" what does this mean exactly? menstruation or any type of female bleeding? I think to define this would be more beneficial to the understanding.
I see this has been translated as menstruation, but does it refer only to monthly menstruation or does it refer to any type of physical blood?
Clarification and evidence would be beneficial, God willing.
line of thinking associated with this
If it is referring to blood coming specifically from the vaginal area? then this would make sense as being menstrual and post delivery, BUT if it is referring only to menstrual blood from females this would mean something different thus creating a perplexing dilemma....it just wouldn't seem logical that menstrual blood is unpure... BUT the post delivery blood is pure. This wouldn't seem logical, now would it?
So if someone can give the meaning of the arabic term used please.
YTV